Steve Williams loses it big time.

Looks as though Steve Williams still has a big chip on his shoulder about being sacked by Woods.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/golf/article-2057783/Tiger-Woods-ex-caddie-Steve-Williams-racism-storm.html

Why am I not shocked at this from Williams, surely Scott needs to do the right thing here and give steve his marching orders, top caddy or not theres no room in sport, life or this world for racism

Not shocked at all - once again Stevie shows his true colours

There was this quote from that article linked in the OP

One caddie said: ‘Never have you been in a room and seen so many jaws drop at the same time. We knew he was an idiot but we didn’t know he was a racist idiot. I was standing next to a European Tour official who said, “Thank God he is not on our tour”.’

I wonder who that caddy was! Seems they all have similar opinions of Mr Williams though

Seems that Williams is just as intolerable as his former employer. Far too much is made of caddies, woods could probably have still won 14 majors with Stephen hawking on his bag.

What a pratt Steve Williams is. He's made more money than any caddy in history and all he can do is racially abuse his former employer. I'd hate to see him have to face the real world. Classless gorm.

Apparently Adam Scott has said things along the lines of "it was taken out of context and was meant to be said in a private setting, not to be republished".

Bad idea Adam - I can see a major U turn coming from him in the next few days

Thinl Scott is trying take the sting out of it during the event, but post tourney he has to do right thing or his credibility on tour is shot

To be honest, I'm not sure I see anything racist in what Williams has said, BUT it's still naive and he's still a prat

Compleely agree with MustputtBetter. I don't believe this was a racist comment at all. It WAS a vile comment from a pretty despicable fella................

Errmm, how is it not a racist comment? It may have been a joke, he may not harbour deep rooted racist beliefs, but the comment in itself is clearly racist.

He should have just called him an ar$3hole. No one could have argued with that

Didn't think it would need to be debated but it is clearly racist.


There are two people who can come out of this worse than Williams and they are golfs governing bodies and Adam Scott. If they fail to act then serious questions have to be asked about how much golfs leading men care about the most basic social issues.

Scott has to dump steve right now, no arguments there is there?


The likes of finchem should ensure Williams does not set foot inside the ropes of an event anywhere without suitable rehabilitation. It is odd that they have not made a statement to the effect of banning Steve as it is.

So come on golf lets try and do a little better than the EPL in handling racists.

MustPuttBetter wrote:To be honest, I'm not sure I see anything racist in what Williams has said, BUT it's still naive and he's still a prat

What? Are you Ron Atkinson in disguise?

I didn't really pass judgement on Kwini's thread earlier so here goes.

If that was how Williams really thought he must have absolutely hated working for Woods. The guy must be a complete numpty; even if it was taken out of context, which I find hard to believe, how can it not be racist if you include the word black in that sentence.

Agree with SR, if he left "black" out he probably would have got away with it.

Totally unacceptable, Scott seems to have misjudged it unless he was taken out of context too! If Scott doesn't fire him can Williams be banned? Has any caddy been banned from tour before?

Mac, its clearly racist in my opinion but in this case nothing to do with governing bodies. It would he like your work intervening if you made a similar remark when down at the pub.

Methinks Mr. Williams needs to be looking for a new career. Who'd employ him now?

Can't say I'd be sad if that was the end result.

super_realist wrote:Mac, its clearly racist in my opinion but in this case nothing to do with governing bodies. It would he like your work intervening if you made a similar remark when down at the pub.

But Super, depending on your job, your work could easily intervene if a comment you made down the pub came to light. The same goes for professional bodies... eg accountancy, who would boot you out for openly stating racist views.

Mmm... what a chump. He really has no clue how lucky he was to be taken along for the ride (no pun intended!) with Tiger, as others have said anyone could have caddied for Tiger at the top of his game and break the odd camera.

I do think its more of a racist remark to refer to Tiger as the black a/h as opposed to his black a/h, although his colour should never have been mentioned.

He's a sirry irriot, and it was an incredibly ill-advised comment to make, but I don't think it was racist. As far as I'm aware, you're allowed to call black people black, and the second word... well... I can't think of another word that describes Woods more accurately.

It's not as if he called him the N-word, or made any reference to fried chicken (Fuzzy Zoeller).

Unfortunately, this is the society we live in... people will jump on any bandwagon these days, especially where political correctness and someone in the public eye is involved.

Marcus, please. Why mention he's black when insulting him, just in case nobody had noticed? Of course it's meant as being derogatory.

I'm not saying it wasn't a derogatory comment, just that in the strict sense of the word it wasn't racist.

It doesn't stop it being the wrong thing to say though, and I am sure that he'll be sacked again.

I find him a deeply unpleasant man, and considering that Woods made him in to a multi millionaire, the lack of gratitude is astounding. Both Woods and Williams are as bad as each other.

Digs, Ray

For it to be a racist comment there needs to be some sort of element of believing/implying the being black makes Woods inferior. I don't see that. I don't think referring to a black person as black is any more racist than calling a website a website.

There is a difference between a racist comment and a comment including a reference to race.

I don't like the guy and it was naive to think it wouldn't have racist attached to it, but I don't believe it necessarily makes him a racist. That doesn't mean he's not one, mind you

MPB, very simple question. Why put the word black next to the insult?

There is ondeed nothing wrong with saying a blackman is black, a white man is white or an asian is asian. However when you add an insult like @rsehole to that it makes the mention of their creed a racial insult therefore Williams comments can only be seen as racial abuse toward his former employer may and something that needs addressing by Scott and the golf governing bodies

Digs, because he's an idiot.

I'll read comments today saying Williams is a 'silly Kiwi' or maybe even a goofy Muppet. He is both. That doesn't imply a xenophobia towards Kiwis or goofy people.

'Black' is anadjective. You can use it at any time to describe something considered to be black.

Is there no difference between a racist comment and a comment referencing race?

Simple question, if Williams had said 'stick it up that golfing ars*hole', would we assume he was golf-ist?

Mav his comments about sticking it up... were insulting no doubt and he should be punished. I just don't see anything racially hateful.

Btw I like the inference from some that because I don't think this is racist I must therefore be racist myself. It's like the KKK in reverse. Very morally superior....

Williams must be an idiot to trust the press to keep quiet.

So the next time someone calls me a Scottish @re$ole they are making a racist comment. Must remember that one.

MustPuttBetter wrote:Digs, because he's an idiot.

I'll read comments today saying Williams is a 'silly Kiwi' or maybe even a goofy Muppet. He is both. That doesn't imply a xenophobia towards Kiwis or goofy people.

'Black' is a verb. You can use it at any time to describe something considered to be black.

Is there no difference between a racist comment and a comment referencing race?

Simple question, if Williams had said 'stick it up that golfing ars*hole', would we assume he was golf-ist?

Simple answer yes, but insulting someone for being a golfer isn't quite up there with having a go at their colour. If Woods was handicapped and he was called a crippled ahole it's obvious about the two words going together, same with the black comment.
It's not about being liberal , or today's society, it's just simply a racist remark.

"I wouldn't call him a great player, 'cause I hate the pr1ck," said Steve Williams talking about Mickelson.

Not the brightest thing to say, but he didn't get fired by his employer, T.Woods.

So it should be remembered that All Black Stevie is an equal opportunity slagger offer.

Wonder what he thinks about Luke Donald?

Yes you would have considered him 'golfist'?? Ha, sure!

It clearly isn't simple Digs as some disagree.

Look, people views on things like this are impossible to change or reason with so I'm not going to try.
But I see everyone as equal. I am not offended if I am referred to as white and I don't see the insult in a black man being called black as I don't see that as anything to be ashamed about. It is not an insulting word.

What's so bad about a black man being black? When people think a persons race shouldn't ever be whispered I ask myself why, and it tells me more about their beliefs than anyone else's as they must think that being black or being described as black is a bad thing

Fair enough , I think your views are bizarre but each to their own. Some things are very simple , this is one.

Disagree = bizarre
The way you see it = simple and obvious

Got it

MustPuttBetter wrote:To be honest, I'm not sure I see anything racist in what Williams has said, BUT it's still naive and he's still a prat

How is it not racist??

diggers,
Williams wasn't having a go at Woods' colour IMO. It was just his nasty ham fisted attempt at slagging off the fella who has made him what he is............

His vile attack is no more racist than if he called Harrington a "a**hole of a Paddy"......................

Does Williams deserve a ban....yes...............

It sure appears Williams hasn't moved on from his sacking. What an idiot.

If I'm Adam Scott I don't fire him, but I would wonder why he can't put this behind him.

No1yankee wrote:

MustPuttBetter wrote:To be honest, I'm not sure I see anything racist in what Williams has said, BUT it's still naive and he's still a prat

How is it not racist??

Pretty sure I've already covered this?

Racist or not racist that will always come down to personal opinion, can see both sides to the argument and neither is wrong because as I say its all about opinion, but you can sure as hell be sure if Tiger chose to take offence as he is right to do then he could make life very misearble for Williams.

At end of the day whatever anyones opinion on the actual words I'm sure there's one thing we can all agree on and that's what a complete man sausage Williams is and how hopefully he'll get his comeuppance and dissappear

MustPuttBetter wrote:Yes you would have considered him 'golfist'?? Ha, sure!

It clearly isn't simple Digs as some disagree.

Look, people views on things like this are impossible to change or reason with so I'm not going to try.
But I see everyone as equal. I am not offended if I am referred to as white and I don't see the insult in a black man being called black as I don't see that as anything to be ashamed about. It is not an insulting word.

What's so bad about a black man being black? When people think a persons race shouldn't ever be whispered I ask myself why, and it tells me more about their beliefs than anyone else's as they must think that being black or being described as black is a bad thing

I believe that it is racist because instead he called him a black a******e instead of just calling him an a******e.I think the fact that he highlighted that he was black.Did he have a few beers in him when he said it or was he sober .

If im Adam Scott I warn him over future comments.It will be interesting if they meet during the presidents cup and if tiger has a response to these comments.

I think it's interesting that it's the 'black' and not the 'ars*hole' that is considered the insult. What does that say about those calling it racist?
I don't see how being described as black is insulting. It's the arse*hole bit that's the insult and that's not racial

Being described as black and being called black are two different things. He is without question an bumhole though.

MustPuttBetter wrote:I think it's interesting that it's the 'black' and not the 'ars*hole' that is considered the insult. What does that say about those calling it racist?
I don't see how being described as black is insulting. It's the arse*hole bit that's the insult and that's not racial

Your answer as to why he mentioned black was that he's an idiot. That's not in any way an explanation of why he chose to put the word black next to ahole.
You have done nothing in any of your posts to explain why he chose to bring up Woods colour whilst insulting him.
Until you manage to do that , which I really don't think you can, I really don't see any logic in your argument.

Spot on SR and I think that's the point. Williams clearly wanted to make reference to Woods with saying his name and used 'black' a way of desribing and letting every know who he was talking about. What he was calling him was an ars*hole.

Williams is a total man sausage though there's no doubt about that

Diggers wrote:

MustPuttBetter wrote:I think it's interesting that it's the 'black' and not the 'ars*hole' that is considered the insult. What does that say about those calling it racist?
I don't see how being described as black is insulting. It's the arse*hole bit that's the insult and that's not racial

Your answer as to why he mentioned black was that he's an idiot. That's not in any way an explanation of why he chose to put the word black next to ahole.
You have done nothing in any of your posts to explain why he chose to bring up Woods colour whilst insulting him.
Until you manage to do that , which I really don't think you can, I really don't see any logic in your argument.

I said a lot more than just that but not to worry.
Oh well Digs I'll just have live the rest of my life knowing I couldn't explain what I'm trying to say to you adequately. Darned it

MustPuttBetter wrote:Spot on SR and I think that's the point. Williams clearly wanted to make reference to Woods with saying his name and used 'black' a way of desribing and letting every know who he was talking about. What he was calling him was an ars*hole.

Williams is a total man sausage though there's no doubt about that

Yeah, I mean not many people know who Woods are, probably best to highlight his colour just in case anyone was confused. Why didnt he say that 6'1, Floridian, balding, overly muscular cheating ahole ?

MustPuttBetter wrote:

Diggers wrote:

MustPuttBetter wrote:I think it's interesting that it's the 'black' and not the 'ars*hole' that is considered the insult. What does that say about those calling it racist?
I don't see how being described as black is insulting. It's the arse*hole bit that's the insult and that's not racial

Your answer as to why he mentioned black was that he's an idiot. That's not in any way an explanation of why he chose to put the word black next to ahole.
You have done nothing in any of your posts to explain why he chose to bring up Woods colour whilst insulting him.
Until you manage to do that , which I really don't think you can, I really don't see any logic in your argument.

I said a lot more than just that but not to worry.
Oh well Digs I'll just have live the rest of my life knowing I couldn't explain what I'm trying to say to you adequately. Darned it

Correct, you haven't, not even close.

What is it about this nation that makes most of us unable to accept anyone could be racist and when they obviously are we come up with any argument we can to excuse them?

It was a really horrible comment revealing disgusting sentiment and I hope to never hear of the guy again.

Diggers wrote:

MustPuttBetter wrote:Spot on SR and I think that's the point. Williams clearly wanted to make reference to Woods with saying his name and used 'black' a way of desribing and letting every know who he was talking about. What he was calling him was an ars*hole.

Williams is a total man sausage though there's no doubt about that

Yeah, I mean not many people know who Woods are, probably best to highlight his colour just in case anyone was confused. Why didnt he say that 6'1, Floridian, balding, overly muscular cheating ahole ?

Yeah I'm sure he never talks about anyone else and every time he opens his mouth people must assume he is talking about Woods

Had he called him a Floridian would we be on here having this discussion? No. Exactly!!

Mbp, what I mean is that if Williams had said: woods is a black golfer, it wouldn't be racist, but if he said woods is a black bumhole then it is racist because the 'black' is designed to compound the insult of being called a bumhole, hence I believe it was with racist intent. Either way I dislike them both.

Diggers wrote:Correct, you haven't, not even close.

What managed to change your opinion? Well I'm not a miracle worker