Danny Care out of 6 nations squad

by HERSH Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:07 pm

His been dropped from the England squad for drink driving.

What is going on with these players?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/16408098.stm

by leachy15 Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:09 pm

Stuart Lancaster is already showing that he is going to be hot on discipline and not going to let things slide as in the RWC according to the Telegraph.

Spoiler:

I think this is good for Lancaster and England as it is showing it doesn't matter who you are in the England team if don't keep your discipline in your social/rugby lives there will be consequences. This should mean he gets the players focused on rugby!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/8991350/Danny-Care-thrown-out-of-Englands-Six-Nations-squad-after-failing-a-drink-driving-test-on-New-Years-Day.html

Merging this with existing article - KRD

by HERSH Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:14 pm

IMO it’s a big lose for England, but it’s good to see a tough stance being taken by the English management

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:21 pm

Well thats what happens when you dont have Martin Johnson to instill discpline in the squad Whistle

What a twerp. Obviously learnt from the England backs mentor Tindall on that one.

He had a real chance to challenge Youngs for first choice in the 6 nations. Opens the door for Simpson, Dickson and Wigglesworth in the squad.

by yappysnap Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:25 pm

How silly of him, really expected more od a seior player like Care. Ho hum, we're all human and hopefully he'll be able to make up for it in the summer.

Who will go in his place?
Wigglsworth is injured and Simpson has looked crap this season. Dickson maybe? I'd put forward Youngs if he actually got game time.

by bluestonevedder Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:27 pm

Bold move, but will hopefully force the players to respect wearing the rose again.

Wouldn't mind seeing Dickson in the squad as he offers something a lot different to Youngs. Shame Simpson's been off form this season so far

by red_stag Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:29 pm

1 Billion per cent agree with the decision. England needs this type of tough management.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:35 pm

Well handled by England. Players everywhere (Zac Guildford and Quade Cooper are other recent examples) are quite capable of doing stupid things while drinking - it's good to see some consequences attached to such actions.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:41 pm

yappysnap wrote:
Who will go in his place?
I'd put forward Youngs if he actually got game time.

You mean Young right?

by propdavid_london Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:45 pm

What a twit, and straight after all that stuff after the home game loss against Toulouse.
He would have been a starter or bench option for the 6N!
Wigglesworth is out for season - may not get another cap
Simpson is apparently out of form.

Is Dickson at Saints fit?
The only other candidate that I can think of is Hodgeson at LI - how is he doing?

by propdavid_london Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:46 pm

Ha, could we see Perry making an international comeback! Not likely

by HERSH Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:49 pm

Maybe Banahan could fill in?

oh wait a min, I forgot MJ's clueless management style has gone.

by beshocked Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:51 pm

Might sound fairly silly but could Ben Spencer be a dark horse?

I don't think he is ready just yet but surely he's on the radar?

by **rodders** Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:56 pm

Does that mean we're going to have to put up with watching Ben Youngs run sideways for the entire 6N?

This really isn't good for the neutral viewers.... Whistle

by kiakahaaotearoa Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:02 pm

Good on Lancaster. Seems to me he was appointed for his no-nonsense approach and this just demonstrates that. When somebody brings the national jersey into disrepute, I don't care what nation you play for or who you are, you're out.

Except if you're Jane and Dagg caught having a smoke and too drunk to walk and you're in a World Cup. Whistle

by Geordie Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:09 pm

Correct decision...seems Lancaster is putting his stamp on the squad already...which is exactly what was needed....

by funnyExiledScot Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:12 pm

Definitely the right decision. England need to stamp out all of this nonsense and Lancaster, whilst only a caretaker, is doing the right thing in setting the standards for discipline high. The World Cup discipline was awful and England need to take a zero tolerance approach going forward.

It's a shame for Care having missed the WC but he should have thought about that before behaving like a moron.

Youngs nailed on to start now and I guess Dickson and Simpson now need to buck up their ideas to get onto the bench. Don't think Hodgson is fit yet.

by bathmad Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:16 pm

Agree with thoughts above - excellent move by Lancaster.

BUT

Gutted we'll be missing out as he's been in excellent form!

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:19 pm

roddersm wrote: Does that mean we're going to have to put up with watching Ben Youngs run sideways for the entire 6N?

This really isn't good for the neutral viewers....

Err Danny Care is the crab

by yappysnap Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:22 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
yappysnap wrote:
Who will go in his place?
I'd put forward Youngs if he actually got game time.

You mean Young right?

Yes Micky Young, he was floating about the saxons and looked really good at Falcons but injuries and being second/third/fourth/second choice at Tigers have meant very little game time which is a shame.

Youngs will start and luckily he's really hitting that form which is needed and so is Flood which is great.

After that i'd have Dickson, he's a threat with the ball which Wigglesworth isn't and he has a lot better basic skills like defence and game awareness then Simpson. Wouldn't mind seeing Spencer in the training squad or in the Saxons Beshocked, he looked very comfortable in his appearences so far for Saracens, probably Saxons first though so he can have a taste of playing behind a pack worse then Saracens!

by yappysnap Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:23 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
roddersm wrote: Does that mean we're going to have to put up with watching Ben Youngs run sideways for the entire 6N?

This really isn't good for the neutral viewers....

Err Danny Care is the crab

Youngs became the crab in the end and Care looked good off the becnh, so i'm tempted to blame coaching for this.

by munkian Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:30 pm

Pissing the night away, pissing the night away
He drinks a Whiskey drink, he drinks a Vodka drink
He drinks a Lager drink, he drinks a Cider drink
He sings the songs that remind him of the good times
He sings the songs that remind him of the best times
(Oh Danny Boy, Danny Boy, Danny Boy)

I get knocked down, but I get up again
You nay ever gonna keep me down

Ale

by kiakahaaotearoa Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:33 pm

Nice one munkian. Laugh

by HERSH Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:34 pm

wow munkian!

You made me giggle like a little school girl, I guess there is a 1st time for everything. Very Happy

by munkian Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:53 pm

HERSH wrote:wow munkian!

You made me giggle like a little school girl, I guess there is a 1st time for everything.

Ithankyou

by formerly known as Sam Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:47 pm

A phone call from a former girlfriend in the early hours led to Care getting in his car and driving to his friend's house. He was stopped en route.

Hmmm, did someone say 'booty call'? Was this 'friend's' house the same as his ex's? Sounds like young Danny boy was letting his old fellar do the thinking for him.

Stupid thing to do, drink driving is never clever and doing it when you're in the public eye is really brainless.

by bathmad Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:00 pm

munkian wrote:Pissing the night away, pissing the night away
He drinks a Whiskey drink, he drinks a Vodka drink
He drinks a Lager drink, he drinks a Cider drink
He sings the songs that remind him of the good times
He sings the songs that remind him of the best times
(Oh Danny Boy, Danny Boy, Danny Boy)

I get knocked down, but I get up again
You nay ever gonna keep me down

Hate to be picky, but pretty sure it was "better times".... Whistle

by munkian Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:16 pm

by kiakahaaotearoa Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:32 pm

One question: was he charged for Careless driving or drunk Care driving?

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:09 am

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:One question: was he charged for Careless driving or drunk Care driving?

Without due care and attention I think

by HERSH Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:33 am

I couldn't care less.

Tumbleweed

I'll get my coat.

by eirebilly Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:01 am

As an Irishman i have to say well done in removing a threat from the 6N Wink

Seriously though, it is very good to see Lancaster stamping his authority. Can only serve to gain respect from his players.

by flankertye Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:04 am

Good decision, how is Dickson looking this season?

by **rodders** Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:24 am

eirebilly wrote:As an Irishman i have to say well done in removing a threat from the 6N

I agree Billy, it should be a lot safer driving to and from the games now.... Whistle

by formerly known as Sam Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:30 am

Good decision, how is Dickson looking this season?.

Which one?

Lee at Saints is blowing a bit hot and cold and has not shown the fine form of last season.

Karl at Quins was playing very well in place of Care but is currently injured but should be back soon.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:32 am

eirebilly wrote:As an Irishman i have to say well done in removing a threat from the 6N

Seriously though, it is very good to see Lancaster stamping his authority. Can only serve to gain respect from his players.

Ciome on Billy how often are England a threat to Ireland in the 6 nations regardless of whos fit :/

by B91212 Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:41 am

flankertye wrote:Good decision, how is Dickson looking this season?

Carried on from last season with his form and deserves a chance. God knows why he didn't at least make the Saxons last year, didn't make any sense. Benifiting this season from having another decent scrum half at Northampton so not playing every game for the full 80 minutes unlike what happened a lot of the time in 2010/2011.

One his best attributes is ordering the forwards around (lets face it, most forwards aren't that bright Smile

) and my one worry would be that he would be a bit reserved at first if given the chance. Otherwise very good in defense and reads the game well, gets to the breakdown fast and gets the ball away quickly and more than happy to mix it up with the forwards and dart around the fringes. Bit of a mouthy sod which isn't a bad thing for a scrum half.

If he has the confidence to play the same as he does at Saints then I can see him doing well for England.

by formerly known as Sam Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:53 am

God knows why he didn't at least make the Saxons last year

Operation on an injury?

by B91212 Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:56 am

formerly known as Sam wrote:
God knows why he didn't at least make the Saxons last year

Operation on an injury?

He was injured earlier on (shoulder) but was back in time to be in the mix. I remember the commentators stating that he was very upset he didn't make either squad.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:04 am

B91212 wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
God knows why he didn't at least make the Saxons last year

Operation on an injury?
He was injured earlier on (shoulder) but was back in time to be in the mix. I remember the commentators stating that he was very upset he didn't make either squad.

So it was Young and Hodgson ahead of him? Was there a third SH in that squad?

Its not unreasonable he was behind Care, Youngs, Simpson and Wigglesworth for senior spots but if hes the 8th best English SH (not includeing Foden) we are at least getting one position right.

by Y Ci Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:08 am

That's a big loss, he looks very sharp for the 'Quins these days.

by Gatts Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:17 am

Care clearly didn't get the memo MJ has gone and thought that this was the best way to get selected for the next RWC/Stag do.

by B91212 Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:18 am

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
B91212 wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
God knows why he didn't at least make the Saxons last year

Operation on an injury?
He was injured earlier on (shoulder) but was back in time to be in the mix. I remember the commentators stating that he was very upset he didn't make either squad.

So it was Young and Hodgson ahead of him? Was there a third SH in that squad?

Its not unreasonable he was behind Care, Youngs, Simpson and Wigglesworth for senior spots but if hes the 8th best English SH (not includeing Foden) we are at least getting one position right.

He may have been behind Simpson, Wigglesworth & Hodgson) in the then England Managements eye's but it wasn't the first selection decision they got wrong. Unlike Simpson can defend and has a decent pass and unlike Wigglesworth is a threat around the fringes. Don't actually mind Wigglesworth as a player but think Dickson is better. Hodgson can't currently make the Irish 15 and I don't think his form is any different now than it was back then. Not just for the chrome dome but Hodgson is the English version of Stringer. Good box kick and pass but absolutely no threat whatsoever will ball in hand (other than one memorable time in Stringers case).

by Cymroglan Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:22 am

Good start Stewart at least now you have a man in charge of England who will accept no nonsense his predecessor was too lax with discipline.
Defend a player if he is in the right but come down heavy on him if he breaks the rules.

by majesticimperialman Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:53 am

This is totaly stupid thing that Care as done, especialy after his early arrest for drunk and disorderly.

Well done to Lancaster for doing what he said he was going too do, get tough and bring some mutch needed pride back into the England team.

by Portnoy Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:23 pm

Danny Care (Lancaster)

Danny Cipriani (Johnson)

Both good calls.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:19 pm

Cymroglan wrote:Good start Stewart at least now you have a man in charge of England who will accept no nonsense his predecessor was too lax with discipline.
Defend a player if he is in the right but come down heavy on him if he breaks the rules.

The last manager being Martin Johnson who dropped Danny Care for poor discipline then got a rollocking from the press and internets for being too harsh on discipline you mean? Whistle

by Cymroglan Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:41 pm

When did he drop him for poor discipline ? are you talking about the Ireland match in 2009 when he came on late in the match and got yellow carded ?

Martin Johnson would not have done what Lancaster has just done MJ was too protective of the players even to a point that it became embarrassing to watch a great ex England captain defending something that we all knew was completely out of order.
You now have a coach that's there on merit and I believe that he is the man that will take you forward.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:18 pm

Cymroglan wrote:When did he drop him for poor discipline ? are you talking about the Ireland match in 2009 when he came on late in the match and got yellow carded ?

Martin Johnson would not have done what Lancaster has just done MJ was too protective of the players even to a point that it became embarrassing to watch a great ex England captain defending something that we all knew was completely out of order.
You now have a coach that's there on merit and I believe that he is the man that will take you forward.

So he didnt drop Ojo and Brown after the New Zealnd tour for their poor discipline then?

Rewind 2 years and he was getting mullered by all for being too strict with his players, unlike Brian Ashton who been panned for being too cosey and like a grandfather to his favourites.

You really cant win as England coach.

Its also comeplete rubbish to say that Lancaster has this temporray job purely on merit. He has it because hes a yes man and already employed by the RFU who cant employ anyone on a permanent basis till they get the structure above them sorted out and have a proper job description. He has done a decent job as Saxons coach but hes got a lot to do to prove hes ready for such a difficult full international post.
To be fair though if he does fail I dont think that would prove hes no good, the state the squads in and the rate of injury drop outs ( Johnson team were panned for wrapping the players in cotton wool in the build up to the world cup ...not so stupid if you look at the 2007 one mind) plus the idiocy of Care with no doubt more to come leaves him a very difficult task. If England can finish with 3 wins hes done a fine job, but I suspect he'll need 4 to be in with a real chance of keeping it.

by Gatts Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:54 pm

Compared to the previous incumbent Lancaster is extremely well qualified for the role. In case you've forgotten the last coach had no expereince whatsoever so are you surprised you can't win as England coach. He should never have been coach in the first place so complaining that he has somehow had it hard seems to be missing the point

But you are right, you really can't win as England coach; If you come into the biggest job in English rugby, with no experience and then preside over a fiasco of your own making, you get blamed and quit. Terrible

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