Scotland A vs England Saxons

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15 Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors)
14 Tom Brown (Edinburgh Rugby)
13 Alex Grove (Worcester Warriors)
12 Matt Scott (Edinburgh Rugby)
11 Simon Danielli (Ulster)
10 Duncan Weir (Glasgow Warriors)
9 Rory Lawson (Gloucester, CAPTAIN)
1 Jon Welsh (Glasgow Warriors)
2 Dougie Hall (Glasgow Warriors)
3 Ed Kalman (Glasgow Warriors)
4 Rob Harley (Glasgow Warriors)
5 Tom Ryder (Glasgow Warriors)
6 Stuart McInally (Edinburgh Rugby)
7 Chris Fusaro (Glasgow Warriors)
8 Richie Vernon (Sale Sharks)
SUBSTITUTES
16 Pat MacArthur (Glasgow Warriors)
17 Ryan Grant (Glasgow Warriors)
18 Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors)
19 Roddy Grant (Edinburgh Rugby)
20 Henry Pyrgos (Glasgow Warriors)
21 Phil Godman (Edinburgh Rugby)
22 Peter Murchie (Glasgow Warriors)

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15 Nick Abendanon
14 Ugo Monye
13 Jonathan Joseph
12 Billy Twelvetrees
11 Jonny May
10 Ryan Lamb
9 Ben Spencer
8 Tom Johnson
7 Andy Saull
6 James Gaskell
5 George Robson
4 Ed Slater
3 Paul Doran-Jones
2 Chris Brooker
1 Nick Wood.

Replacements
16 Joe Gray
17 Rupert Harden
18 Kearnan Myall
19 David Seymour
20 Paul Hodgson
21 Freddie Burns
22 Miles Benjamin.

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:What's the under 20's score Safeas?

Scotland 3 England 59

Edit - Ah, beaten to it by Manky!

Full time 35 0 to Scotland A

Never expected that at all but England never turned up.

Over to the senior side tomorrow. A similar scoreline would be nice

Excellent result for Scotland. Anyone listening/watching? Was the scoreline fair?

Aye Hammer. It was all Scotland but commentators saying that the Saxon's played as individuals. Couple of sin binnings for you guys didn't help.

Pumped.com

Didn't see any of it but whichever way you look at it, that's an impressive scoreline. Scotland A.

Too many players in the A squad that should have been in the seniors. Scott, Weir and Hogg to name 3

It wouldn't be so much of a problem if they were being kept out of the Seniors by better players though Radge, I'm guessing you don't feel that's the case?

Well look at the alternatives holy, Parks not as good as Weir. Matt Scott a better centre than Sean Lamont who is a winger and Stu Hogg better than Rory Lamont.

England fan here on the bus home from that (possibly the only England fan there tonight). Scotland played with pace and power, and the Saxons were just hopeless. I see it as a very good omen for tomorrow though. Just imagine how well Lancaster and Farrell must have been coaching the Saxons last year if this happens the moment they leave

Scotland Backline by the end of the tournament?

9 Blair
10 Laidlaw
11 SLamont
12 Scott
13 De Luca
14 Evans
15 Hogg

Just heard that England want their under 20's as their second team and the Saxons are to be ignored!!!!!!!!!

Funny how the usual suspects were only saying yesterday how we havent any grass roots rugby and how we havent got any strength in depth under AR

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Well hats off to Scotland for that performance - that is a powerful England team - Well done

bathmad wrote:That scottish pack will be steamrolled, with exception of by Gaskell who's so skinny as to be almost not there!

Oh dear

Cannot wait for tomorrow.I hate to see England lose coz they do not gloat and go on about winning the WC.Scotland have made it a handicap by picking Parks just to ease the pain for their neighbours.Go,Jocks!

flyhalffactory wrote:Funny how the usual suspects were only saying yesterday how we havent any grass roots rugby and how we havent got any strength in depth under AR

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to be fair, we were scratching the bottom of the barrel in some positions (Danielli, Hall, Murchie) and we could only find one second row!

Can't people stop posting on here so the thread sinks to the bottom of the list?

Mods can we close it?



More seriously, it's exactly at this level that the player pool become important. England's large pool means we should do well, where as Scotland's smaller pool mean they shouldn't. Well done again (just to make the point the first bit wasn't serious)

EDIT: And now I feel even more apprehensive about tomorrow

thomh wrote:England fan here on the bus home from that (possibly the only England fan there tonight). Scotland played with pace and power, and the Saxons were just hopeless. I see it as a very good omen for tomorrow though. Just imagine how well Lancaster and Farrell must have been coaching the Saxons last year if this happens the moment they leave

That's the spirit! I'm still sticking by my score line of a rampant England pummelling a hapless Scotland into submission. It came to me in a premonition don't you know, have them all the time, they're never wrong, so I'm sure it's correct. Although I have to say the U20's finished with the same scoreline, so now I'm wondering whether I didn't foresee the wrong thing.

Fantastic. The kilt is in the kiln, the porridge is basting (?!), the haggis is roaming. More importantly The Stroker, Big Richie, Big Jim (!) and Dents are going to smash the 'Bigeads' out of existence. Well with any luck ! Please please let that slimy, baldy, semi royal tw** Tindall be there !

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Well look at the alternatives holy, Parks not as good as Weir. Matt Scott a better centre than Sean Lamont who is a winger and Stu Hogg better than Rory Lamont.

I would agree wee Duncan is a better pick than Parks, but at the same time, I'd say either you or me would probably be a better pick than Parks.

It's fairly obvious that Robinson has gone for experience tomorrow whilst Lancaster has gone for players who move the ball, the Lamonts have experience in spades but that doesn't always translate into performance does it?

Ironically, Scotland now appear to have a conservative match 22 against an "experimental" England 22, personally, I think Lancaster has been exposed in his first match at the helm, but ultimately that will be decided around 19:00 tomorrow. Congratulations again to Scotland A, a very impressive victory, I hope tomorrow's game is a little tighter.

The reason Scotland A tanked the Saxons is because that was effectively our senior squad.

So you too are predicting a huge England win tomorrow KaC?

miteyironpaw wrote:So you too are predicting a huge England win tomorrow KaC?

Now you're just following me around waiting for an off-comment

I'd start running now Mitey, for tomorrow (today, even) is VINDICATION DAY.

[For the record - it's going to be close. That's all I need before I can resurface the old thread and rip it out of ya ]

Highlights here folks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZbA7yN7S9w

Hogg really held up his hand - stunning try.

so scotland a spanked saxons, but england under 21's spanked scotland under 21's.

all i,mmaterial- its all about today- may the best team win!!

who ofcourse is england

mystiroakey wrote:so scotland a spanked saxons, but england under 21's spanked scotland under 21's.

all i,mmaterial- its all about today- may the best team win!!

who ofcourse is england

Best out of three, Mysterioakey?

Harley, Ryder, Welsh look ready for the firsts along with Weir and Hogg. Makes the Parks decision by the Bath Veggie even more inexplicable !

best out of 3 it stands!

anyone backing a draw?

That Hogg try was absolute class.

Did I ever mention I have a Scottish grandparent?

Apparently 22 Scots put their hands up for inclusion in the senior side next weekend - great stuff from Weir, Scott and Hogg, all of whom should have seen game time today

thomh wrote:England fan here on the bus home from that (possibly the only England fan there tonight). Scotland played with pace and power, and the Saxons were just hopeless. I see it as a very good omen for tomorrow though. Just imagine how well Lancaster and Farrell must have been coaching the Saxons last year if this happens the moment they leave

So what happened? In the highlights there are plenty of scores from deep. I'm drawing four lessons at present:

- England don't have much strength in depth in terms of players in their mid and late 20s. This isn't a huge concern as in two years the current u20 side will probably dominate the Saxons.
- That throwing together players from different clubs, giving them a week to practice and then putting them out against nations with fewer clubs to choose from is asking for trouble. Last week you could see how the new combinations struggled and what do we do? Another 10, 12, 13 combination where none of the players have never played with any of the others. This impacts on defence and attack.
- Mullan and Garvey should be promoted to the EPS. You could see how their absence was felt.
- England at all levels, at all times, should play balanced backrows.

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Apparently 22 Scots put their hands up for inclusion in the senior side next weekend - great stuff from Weir, Scott and Hogg, all of whom should have seen game time today

Whereas up till that half the english internet was demanding the inclusion of wood, robson, may, saull and joseph.

I doubt they are anymore

F for Lancasters new England so far, must try harder. I guess Gary Neville wasnt enough.

Intersting weirs comments that he visulised the try. shows confidence. also aimed for Freddie.burns as he is not keen on tackling.

Great stuff and hope for more.today

Intersting weirs comments that he visulised the try. shows confidence. also aimed for Freddie.burns as he is not keen on tackling.

Great stuff and hope for more.today

SafeAsMilk wrote:

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:What's the under 20's score Safeas?

Scotland 3 England 59

Edit - Ah, beaten to it by Manky!

This should finally really highlight to the RFU that they have to start getting some of these talented kids into the senior set-up.

Maybe today's new start is the start of that but i fear a big defeat could be on the cards as they rebuild and it'll take some time to win again.

Wales have really built on bringing their talented kids in and it's done wonders. Eng have to do the same.

The boys at a level clearly weren't up to it/ Wonder how they beat the wolfhounds really. Must have been a very bad performance.

Or maybe the sottish side were.good...

no doubt they were but eng clearly lack depth at that level now and currently have a brilliant young side.

It's why they will hopefully start to bring them through within 2 years and start to provide real depth for the senior team.

As for scotland.. talent and strength in depth should lead to a good season for them.

From watching the highlights Scotland A were playing a very expansive game. I wonder if we will see that the full side play like that in the near future.

trebellbobaggins wrote:

SafeAsMilk wrote:

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:What's the under 20's score Safeas?

Scotland 3 England 59

Edit - Ah, beaten to it by Manky!

This should finally really highlight to the RFU that they have to start getting some of these talented kids into the senior set-up.

So the fact the kids got hammered by scotland a is evidence that they should be playing for the senior side?

Surely its evidence that the likes of Gaskell, Twevletrees, May and Joseph arent the super humans that some , based on a couple of itv highlights, have painted them to be


If they cant handle A team rugby then they certainly arent ready for senior international. getting beaten by Scotland is one thing, to get stunk on by them to such a degree is another. It just shouldnt happen against a country that can barely staff two professional teams.

On paper at least there is no reason for England to get humped that badly. So, firstly, congrats to Scotland, who clearly have more strength in depth than some suggested.

Purely from a navel-gazing England perspective - that is pitiful. Players that should be desperate to prove they can step up but instead get a pasting. I really rate players like May and Joseph and it's depressing to think pathetic coaching at club and international level will hold them back. And that is what i largely put it down to.

The English game produces the raw talent and then places it in a system that slowly dismantles it. You can call this an overreation but we need to have our best players playing together and against one another week in and week out. The bottom 5 teams in the Prem, including my own Falcons are not offering good enough competition.

Basically, i know it's unpopular, but i want regionalisation or centralised contracts...or both! Right, i need to sit in a dark room...

You need to get some of your players playing in the PRO12. Thatll expose them to a higher standard of rugby

Doesn't seem to help the Welsh team too much...

I never thought I'd see 'thrash' and Scotland in the same sentence but with Scotland before it. Happy though, I think IF Robinson ends up going Bradley's lined himself up nicely for the Scotland job or at least is getting a foot in the door. We may not win today but the future definitely is bright!

oh yeah, matt scott, what a lad! defs time to get rid of that brick morrison!

Great by Scotland As, hopefully some of these young players will get selected for the main squad sooner rather than later!

Great result for the Scots (coached by Bradley I believe?) but thats an appalling effort by England to go down by that scoreline.

Good luck this afternoon

Man. Hoggs try!

The off-loading, the pace and commitment of that side.

An Irish Wolfhounds team, with internationals and top Academy players - couldnt do it. And Scotland NIL them? The future is bright.

Wouldnt worry about the U20's score. 90% never make it.

Today, Andy Robinson must show, that England made a big mistake letting him go after he won them a RWC.

It was something I called for - before he got the job, while he was improving Edinburgh. "Scotland must go with Robinson." They have, and its paying dividends now.

It takes time, with limited resources. But give him the time and space to do it. He's a brilliant Coach.

Believe.

Imperialbigdave wrote:You need to get some of your players playing in the PRO12. Thatll expose them to a higher standard of rugby

A joke it may be but Morgans queue jumped his way into the senior squad over this rabble through a couple of seasons there.

Er Jonathan Joseph pulled out a couple of days before the game, being replaced by Waldouck who has probably played about 4 games in the last 12 months.