So Why isn't Dave Pearson banned?

Dave Pearson suspended Bradley Davies for 10 minutes when in reality his official punishment has been judged as 108 times that amount.

Therefore Pearson should be banned for being so utterly, cluelessly incorrect and bringing embarrassing levels of incompetence to the game.

The worst European official I've seen in the profesisonal era.

This has been lingering in my mind too. Only answer I've thought of so far is that Pearson's attention was on something else at the time and maybe he only caught the incident out of the corner of his eye or something, thus knowing it had happened but not being aware of its severity.

Really though I have no idea, potentially a game-swinging decision made there.

He went on the recomendation of his touch judge as he did not see the incident

TJ wrote:He went on the recomendation of his touch judge as he did not see the incident

Dave Pearson was the touch judge

Chunky you sound a bit upset about the whole incident, whats up?

You're thinking of Wayne Barnes, this is Pearson we're talking about, the touch judge not the ref.

But Pearson described it in clear detail...off the ball incident, the players, their numbers, a blow-by-slow walk through of the entire thing. I'm not sure that any evidence suggests he "caught it out of the corner of his eye". I think you are being too kind.

He saw it, he made the wrong call. He was scared.

To my mind, they have both proven themselves incompetent and should be stood down for the duration of the 6 nations.

He said at the time he didnt get a proper view. Nice cop out. As much as I dont like to see refs slaughtered for mistakes it seemed pretty weak.

Have to say if I were Barnes and I saw Pearson was on my crew for next years fixture Id probably cry inside.

Surely they wont give this to the chuckle brothers next year?

IronMike wrote:

TJ wrote:He went on the recomendation of his touch judge as he did not see the incident

Dave Pearson was the touch judge

Chunky you sound a bit upset about the whole incident, whats up?

I am.

If I was an Ireland fan and my team had just lost with the touch judge clearly being an incompetent fool I'd be fuming.

Yellow card of 7 weeks? Hmm. pearson strikes again.

"If I was an Ireland fan and my team had just lost with the touch judge clearly being an incompetent fool....."

You may have left out the "again" from that sentence.




Although most Irish fans feel we did enough to lose that match without any help from the officals.

Why would Pearson be banned,he made a mistake but he didn't hurt anyone.

You might as well ban McFadden for missing a tackle on George North.

asoreleftshoulder wrote:Why would Pearson be banned,he made a mistake but he didn't hurt anyone.

You might as well ban McFadden for missing a tackle on George North.

Both Pearson and Barnes's performance will be looked at i feel. If Mr Pearson saw enough to describe what happened then he saw enough to know the rules better. A mistake yes, but a very glaring mistake considering that all the refs have been told to watch for these things.

Yes and if it's a mistake he'll be demoted or dropped like a player who makes a bad mistake would.
He won't be banned,it just seems a silly idea.If the op meant dropped from international reffereeing then I could agree with that.

a.s.l.s.,

I think the fact that his description was so accurate and pretty much "text book" of a straight red card and then he went on to recommend yellow, is the problem.

How can he say,

"Lifted the player off the floor, twisted him past the horizontal and then dropped him."

and then say,

"Yellow Card"

Demotion is as good as a ban in this case i feel

Out of interest how rich was the detail with which he described the incident? Now I'm not saying Pearson shouldn't be disciplined in some way or other but think about it. He claims he didn't see it clearly. We with the luxury of slow-mo replays could instantly see the tackle for what it was but Pearson didn't have that advantage at the time.

Now, some are slating him for not doing his job, which in this case is being observant for things like these. Wouldn't a good touch judge be concentrating on the on-the-ball action rather than off-the-ball? Thus he may have been aware of the tackle itself being made, just not in its full severity as like most Pearson is unable to concentrate fully on two things at once. For all we know he may have looked just in time to see Ryan hitting the floor, thus knowing a dangerous tackle had been made, just not knowing exactly how dangerous...

He knew the players' numbers because he could have noted them immediately afterwards, not necessarily during the tackle. It would be easy to know it was an off-the-ball incident because he'd have clearly seen play going on elsewhere.

I know I'm risking some disbelief by going through this long theoretical sequence of events but I can promise I'm not trying to defend Pearson, I'm just trying to work out how anyone could have thought yellow rather than red. And I'm stillon the fence about how he could have made such a misjudgement, I'm not saying that that entire theory is true, I just think it best to mention the possibility, however slight.

MrsP wrote:a.s.l.s.,

I think the fact that his description was so accurate and pretty much "text book" of a straight red card and then he went on to recommend yellow, is the problem.

How can he say,

"Lifted the player off the floor, twisted him past the horizontal and then dropped him."

and then say,

"Yellow Card"

Colour blind?

Dyslexic?


Anyway, Irish sides and bad ref decisions?
Where's the drama in that? Old news.
We move on quickly nowadays. Pearson didn't coach us.

If he's colour blind then maybe Ryan was the culprit all along. He just threw himself clutching his neck at the last second!

Would take football-style play acting to a whole new level

Knowsit17. He described exactly what happened so obviously he saw it well enough. I would suggest that he was a bit worried about suggesting a red so recommended a yellow and to cover his bases said he didnt see it clearly.

It was a mistake, not a banning offense but he may get demoted for a game or two.

SecretFly wrote:

MrsP wrote:a.s.l.s.,

I think the fact that his description was so accurate and pretty much "text book" of a straight red card and then he went on to recommend yellow, is the problem.

How can he say,

"Lifted the player off the floor, twisted him past the horizontal and then dropped him."

and then say,

"Yellow Card"

Colour blind?

Dyslexic?


Anyway, Irish sides and bad ref decisions?
Where's the drama in that? Old news.
We move on quickly nowadays. Pearson didn't coach us.

That is true. They do usually let you get away with murder.

The worst thing about the reffing performance was the free-for-all the rucks were. Pretty much ever ruck had players going off their feet and sealing off the ball.

Murder, you say?

Nah....you get too long in the sin bin for that. Which incidently is another point I'd bring up with the IRB if I wanted to get pedantic!

Is it 20min? Never seen it yet although Grewcock came close a couple of times

This article is an odd one.

Wales beat Ireland and a Welsh fan blames an English touch judge.

Knowsit,

I was quoting pretty much verbatim from what Pearson told Barnes.

I did not hear him say he didn't have a good view of the incident.

I do think Pearson should be demoted. He has made glaring errors in his last two high profile games the first of which he made more than one error in. Barnes made a mistake and deserves e benefit of the doubt.

He only got to see the ferris tackle once so I have a degree of sympathy for him. His conduct during TH Davies yellow is worrying though as I think neither official had the balls to say red card.

Chunky Irish fans should only be fuming at their own team and coaching. Wales were much the better team and although it was arrived at in the wrong way the rsuly was right I think.

Did the citing commission say the Ferris yellow was wrong?

I just thought they said it require no further action after it was reported by the WRU? As you say though its one of those that if he did think he saw more than actually happened you can have a degree of sympathy as it falls very much in the grey area.

Biscuit

I posted on the other thread. The Irish manager who accompanied ferris today has said that they commission stated that it wasn't an illegal tackle and that he shouldn't have been penalised. Now until the IRB announce that I don't know but the implication that barnes mistake affected the outcome of an international game (I don't think it did personally) is too big and the IRB will have to confirm or deny this.

Sorry yep I found that now.

It was very borderline though. if he thought he saw a full tip then he had to give a yellow.

The citing commissions usually publish the full reports of the hearing, so we can see exactly what they said then.

Yes I agree wheeler.

I would find it strange if they said that

your team lost

viewtothegym wrote: your team lost

Are you referring to Scotland, Italy or Ireland?

Pot Hale wrote:

viewtothegym wrote: your team lost

Are you referring to Scotland, Italy or Ireland?

Not Wales for a change

Ireland did indeed lose.

Wales were better on the day.

But don't worry, Ireland will not always be losers whereas you.....

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Sorry yep I found that now.

It was very borderline though. if he thought he saw a full tip then he had to give a yellow.

The citing commissions usually publish the full reports of the hearing, so we can see exactly what they said then.

I wonder how long that statement by the Ireland Team Manager, Michael Kearney, will last. Sky have it on their website, but are not covering the Ferris dismissal at all in their TV/video coverage. The BBC merely report that his citing was not upheld, as do most of the other sports/media sites. The Irish Independent makes no reference to Kearney's comment in its report on Ferris decision and in a much longer comment piece by Brendan Gallagher - http://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/brendan-gallagher-six-nations-clearance-of-stephen-ferris-a-welcome-relief-following-week-of-uncertainty-3014534.html

The Irish Times does lead with this angle in a story headlined "Barnes got Ferris decision wrong" but bases its story on the Ireland management's reported comments.

Fabio Capello's decision to resign will see this story go no further.

You guys were lucky he gave a penalty to Wales because North was lining up McFadden and his low centre of gravity for another walk over try.

Im sure i heard McFadden screamed ISA! sorry Fergus your not in Leinster now with world class Southern Hemisphere players making your team look good.

viewtothegym wrote:You guys were lucky he gave a penalty to Wales because North was lining up McFadden and his low centre of gravity for another walk over try.

Im sure i heard McFadden screamed ISA! sorry Fergus your not in Leinster now with world class Southern Hemisphere players making your team look good.

Yes, yes, of course you did. Anything else?

So does anyone know who is reffing France v Ireland on Saturday?
























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Dave Pearson

I bet he's praying for more snow!