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Grand Slams the wrong way round

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Post by Portnoy Thu 16 Feb 2012, 5:12 pm

Since the first 6Ns how many GSs have been won the the 'hard way' (i.e. three away, two at home)?

Counting back on my stubby fingers, the Welsh side of 2008 was one - which is surprising to me, as they don't hold the same status in my mind as their 2005 counterparts.
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Post by asoreleftshoulder Thu 16 Feb 2012, 5:16 pm

Ireland 2009 is technically one but since our two home games were England and France it's actually the easier way for us.

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Post by Portnoy Thu 16 Feb 2012, 5:18 pm

asoreleftshoulder wrote:Ireland 2009 is technically one but since our two home games were England and France it's actually the easier way for us.

Say that quietly shoulder. Other Celts are present. Wink
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Post by asoreleftshoulder Thu 16 Feb 2012, 5:23 pm

Portnoy wrote:
Say that quietly shoulder. Other Celts are present. Wink

Lol,well it's the France at home bit that makes it easier we don't win in Paris ever.

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Post by Portnoy Thu 16 Feb 2012, 5:28 pm

Me and my stubbies!

Wales' 2005 GS must have indeed been done the hard way as they have three home games this year.

Cah!
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Post by mckay1402 Thu 16 Feb 2012, 5:40 pm

Wales 2005 was the first grand slam to be done with more away games than home games
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Post by Cadair Idris Thu 16 Feb 2012, 6:15 pm

Portnoy wrote:Me and my stubbies!

Wales' 2005 GS must have indeed been done the hard way as they have three home games this year.

Cah!

That's correct though there is of course an argument that 2 away games in dublin and twickenham are harder overall than 3 away games in paris, murrayfield and rome. Not that our away record vs italy & scotland the last decade is entirely unblemished....

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Post by SecretFly Thu 16 Feb 2012, 8:41 pm

asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Portnoy wrote:
Say that quietly shoulder. Other Celts are present. Wink

Lol,well it's the France at home bit that makes it easier we don't win in Paris ever.

In two weeks we'll change that 'ever' to 'just did'.

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Post by asoreleftshoulder Thu 16 Feb 2012, 9:09 pm

SecretFly wrote:
In two weeks we'll change that 'ever' to 'just did'.

Yahoo

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Post by slartibartfast Thu 16 Feb 2012, 9:55 pm

"Grand Slams the wrong way round"

"Slams Grand" just doesn't sound right. sounds like a toff's p0rn film
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Post by fa0019 Thu 16 Feb 2012, 10:39 pm

Does it matter as Italy doesn't really count home or away... well for any team serious about mounting a challenge for the title.

Personally I would say for any home nation team to win a GS whilst playing France away would be the greatest test.

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Post by SecretFly Thu 16 Feb 2012, 10:47 pm

fa0019 wrote:Does it matter as Italy doesn't really count home or away... well for any team serious about mounting a challenge for the title.


Italy mattered last year when they mucked up France's serious chase for the title. Italy may never be in the running themselves (so far) but they can have deep and meaningful things to say about who is.

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Post by fa0019 Thu 16 Feb 2012, 10:53 pm

SecretFly

France had lost to England the week before so I think in their minds they had already lost the title. Typical French really.

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Post by HammerofThunor Thu 16 Feb 2012, 11:41 pm

Does anyone have Italy as one of their two home games? That would be doing it the hard way

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Post by Feckless Rogue Thu 16 Feb 2012, 11:59 pm

It's harder for Ireland in even years, even though they have three home games. France and England away. We prefer the odd years, even though there's three away games. Ireland's Grand Slam came in an odd year; 2009.

We got 4 wins from 5 and finished 2nd on 5 occasions; in 2001, 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2007. Normally it was the French that scuppered us, home or away.

But now we have to deal with the unfortunate fact that Wales are better than us too.
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Post by Glas a du Fri 17 Feb 2012, 12:05 am

I think we will see another Irish Grand Slam.
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Post by eirebilly Fri 17 Feb 2012, 7:04 am

Glas a du wrote:I think we will see another Irish Grand Slam.

When? Next year? Wink
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Post by scoi Fri 17 Feb 2012, 12:43 pm

I think for Wales its actually easier to win the wrong way around. We have the blue teams in the same location and with Scotland and Italy not performing at present its just France thats a (very) tough game away. I'd say in the last decade its been more likely to beat France away, due to their varying levels of performance than both Ireland and England at home who have both been consistantly good teams.

Now we've beaten Ireland away it seems to be lined up perfectly for a slam, toughest game at home and England not performing too well.

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Post by Chunky Norwich Fri 17 Feb 2012, 12:54 pm

Portnoy wrote:the Welsh side of 2008 was one - which is surprising to me, as they don't hold the same status in my mind as their 2005 counterparts.

The Welsh side of 2008 played a far more complete game than in 2005!

In 2005 they just chucked it around and hoped for the best. They were good at it, and it was entertaining to watch but there is no way that team (that included the lies of Michael Owen, Sidoli etc) were better than 2008.

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Post by damage_13 Fri 17 Feb 2012, 1:13 pm

talk of Grand Slams should be Banned until round 4. raspberry

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Post by Feckless Rogue Fri 17 Feb 2012, 1:37 pm

I Wales will win the slam. They have confidence and momentum. They'll also have a chip on their shoulder over the semi final when they meet France. They believe they should have won that. A bit of bitterness can be helpful in rugby if it's channeled properly.
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Post by miteyironpaw Fri 17 Feb 2012, 1:51 pm

How can they honestly feel bitter about losing fair and square when one of their own players largely contributed by committing an obvious red-card foul?

Preposterous.

If anything France should have their dander up for being accused of only winning due Warburton being sent off.

Wales since, have had plenty of slack from the officials, including avoiding a red card for an even worse incident, that should have cost them the game against Ireland.

Bitterness? Really? Nonsense.
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Post by KickAndChase Fri 17 Feb 2012, 1:52 pm

Feckless Rogue wrote:I Wales will win the slam. They have confidence and momentum. They'll also have a chip on their shoulder over the semi final when they meet France. They believe they should have won that. A bit of bitterness can be helpful in rugby if it's channeled properly.

That's a dumb thing to say. It didn't help Ireland did it?

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Post by miteyironpaw Fri 17 Feb 2012, 1:55 pm

Last time I heard Wales "wanted revenge" was against Australia, and we know how that turned out.
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Post by Feckless Rogue Fri 17 Feb 2012, 2:11 pm

Yeah I know. And the last time Ireland "wanted revenge" against Wales it didn't work out either. But I just think having that extra bit of bite can help sometimes.
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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Fri 17 Feb 2012, 5:16 pm

I thought Italy and Scotland were the experts at Grand Slams the wrong way round. Whistle

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