Which is Ireland's must win game in this 6ns?

by Portnoy Fri 24 Feb - 23:10

And don't give me any gobshoite (copyright Gibbo) like 'the next one'.

Ireland have not yet relinquished the old guard yet there are several youngsters straining on the leash.

You have played one and lost one (ref probs I know).

But what is the must win game?

by **Notch** Fri 24 Feb - 23:13

The next one.

by Portnoy Fri 24 Feb - 23:16

Notch wrote:The next one.

gobshoite.

As would have been 'the last one'

by red_stag Fri 24 Feb - 23:18

I dont really understand the question. Are you hoping we will all say England?

The honest answer to which is Ireland must win game IS "the next one".

If you want to know who our biggest rivals are for me it ranks Wales, France, England, Italy, Scotland.

by Smirnoffpriest Fri 24 Feb - 23:19

Obviously all of them as you can't expect to finish around the top of the table by loosing two games.

by Smirnoffpriest Fri 24 Feb - 23:20

red_stag wrote:I dont really understand the question. Are you hoping we will all say England?

The honest answer to which is Ireland must win game IS "the next one".

If you want to know who our biggest rivals are for me it ranks Wales, France, England, Italy, Scotland.

Ohh! What would gatland say if he heard you say you wanted to beat the Welsh the most! Shocked

by red_stag Fri 24 Feb - 23:21

Smirnoffpriest wrote:Obviously all of them as you can't expect to finish around the top of the table by loosing two games.

Exactly. I think he is trying to figure out is England v Ireland still our biggest rivalry.

by **Notch** Fri 24 Feb - 23:22

You can say that, but it's true. In test rugby, there is no game which isn't a must-win. All of them are, especially the next. And then the next after that.

Etc.

by red_stag Fri 24 Feb - 23:22

Sminoff I'd say Gatland would be chuffed to hear it.

by **Notch** Fri 24 Feb - 23:23

To be in with a shot at the title we need to win 4 out of 4. So the question is silly. They all are.

by **rodders** Fri 24 Feb - 23:25

They are all must win games. Any more losses and Kidney should walk the plank.

by Portnoy Fri 24 Feb - 23:27

red_stag wrote:I dont really understand the question. Are you hoping we will all say England?

The honest answer to which is Ireland must win game IS "the next one".

If you want to know who our biggest rivals are for me it ranks Wales, France, England, Italy, Scotland.

In this disjointed 6Ns which already seems to have dragged on a bit, Ireland (and France for that matter) must be already be targeting a game that they must win. And if by saying 'the next one' meaning 'Italy' then spit it out.

by Portnoy Fri 24 Feb - 23:32

If I lived in your skin, I'd say Scotland over Italy.

by Smirnoffpriest Fri 24 Feb - 23:33

why do you think any game has more relevance over another Portnoy?

If Ireland hammer England, France and Scotland yet loose to Italy it will still be a poor 6N as they will have lost 2. Likewise if they loose to anyone - I'd imagine all the games have the same weighting - hence the Next one is the most important - regardless of what teams next up

Pretty pointless question if you ask me

by red_stag Fri 24 Feb - 23:34

Portnoy - we want to win all the matches.

by **rodders** Fri 24 Feb - 23:39

Portnoy wrote:If I lived in your skin, I'd say Scotland over Italy.

I thought all the games were worth the same points? How can one be more important than another?

by Portnoy Fri 24 Feb - 23:39

red_stag wrote:Portnoy - we want to win all the matches.

Obviously. Quel surprise!

And once again the reply is fudged.

by **Notch** Fri 24 Feb - 23:42

No Portnoy, we can't afford to lose any match if we have any ambitions of lifting that trophy. We can't single one out as more important than another. What do you expect us to say?

by red_stag Fri 24 Feb - 23:42

Portnoy why dont you try explaining what you are looking for a bit better. We arent all fudging the replies. The question simply is paradoxical.

With the greatest respect, you havent phrased this the best and we cant figure it out.

by red_stag Fri 24 Feb - 23:43

If you are asking about rivalries as I said I would currently consider:

- Wales
- France
- England
- Italy
- Scotland

To be our biggest rivals.

by Standulstermen Fri 24 Feb - 23:47

All of them need to be won IMO. So...... Cool

...

The next one

by Portnoy Fri 24 Feb - 23:53

Which game would be most unacceptable to lose which otherwise you'd expect to win.

I assume that you'd expect to win your home games and the one you'd find it most disturbing to lose would be against Scotland.

So to me that would be your 'must win' game.

Not difficult really.

p.s. looking at it - how come you have only won one GS? Odd years give you every chance.

by red_stag Fri 24 Feb - 23:55

Portnoy - Thanks for clearing it up. I suppose what you are really asking so is which defeat would be most unacceptable? For me that would be Italy at home.

In relation to Grand Slams - simply put we aren't able to beat France.

by Portnoy Sat 25 Feb - 0:06

red_stag wrote:Portnoy - Thanks for clearing it up. I suppose what you are really asking so is which defeat would be most unacceptable? For me that would be Italy at home.

In relation to Grand Slams - simply put we aren't able to beat France.

If you set your bar so low as Italy, then I am surprised. That's tantamount to saying coming 5th is acceptable.

by red_stag Sat 25 Feb - 0:08

Portnoy that wasnt what you asked at all.

by Portnoy Sat 25 Feb - 0:11

So what is the game that you least like to lose given your reasonable aspirations?

For instance last season for me it would have been France. This year it will be Wales.

by red_stag Sat 25 Feb - 0:13

Portnoy wrote:So what is the game that you least like to lose given your reasonable aspirations?

In which case the answer becomes every match.

by Portnoy Sat 25 Feb - 0:14

red_stag wrote:
Portnoy wrote:So what is the game that you least like to lose given your reasonable aspirations?

In which case the answer becomes every match.

Fudge

by **Notch** Sat 25 Feb - 0:17

Portnoy wrote:Which game would be most unacceptable to lose which otherwise you'd expect to win.

At home to Italy, then. Thats the only one that we'd be heavy favourites for.

If you set your bar so low as Italy, then I am surprised. That's tantamount to saying coming 5th is acceptable.

I really don't understand this at all... I have the suspicion this is some elaborate WUM so thats it from me.

by red_stag Sat 25 Feb - 0:18

A fudge question gets a fudge answer. No need to be so downright rude to peoples answers. You asked a poor question.

- Our aspirations were the Grand Slam
- We aspire to win every match
- Italy would be toughest defeat to swallow
- In order our rivalries are Wales, France, England, Scotland, Italy

You can use that info however you like.

by **Notch** Sat 25 Feb - 0:21

red_stag wrote:A fudge question gets a fudge answer. No need to be so downright rude to peoples answers. You asked a poor question.

- Our aspirations were the Grand Slam
- We aspire to win every match
- Italy would be toughest defeat to swallow
- In order our rivalries are Wales, France, England, Scotland, Italy

You can use that info however you like.

This.

by eirebilly Sat 25 Feb - 6:43

Here you go Portnoy... Must win is England in Twickers on Paddy's day. Happy? Very Happy

by Thomond Sat 25 Feb - 10:16

Lads, ye fed the Gremlin after midnight, who knows what is going to happen now!

by majesticimperialman Sat 25 Feb - 10:23

I always thought that any team manager/ coach will tell that they only concetrate on the next game. (at this moment)no other team matters.

So the answer to the question, is the next game is the most important game for Ireland to win.

by SecretFly Sat 25 Feb - 11:05

Ireland of course have to win all games from here on in. You don't win anything unless that's on your wish list.

But apart from needing to win every game to be in with a chance of being in contention come the end; the obvious one in that group that looks like it will be the toughest encounter is France away.

Biggest rivals for us, and proven to be with the............. stats of the Six Nations, sorry biltong..................... is France. Then Wales, then England.

by wonder_man Sat 25 Feb - 11:07

I think France.. The others you would expect them to win

by doctor_grey Sat 25 Feb - 11:18

Well, Ireland came within seconds of beating Wales. So I can assume Ireland fans who still want to win the 6 Nations are supporting England today? The, I guess, France is the target for Ireland?

by eirebilly Sat 25 Feb - 11:21

Thomond wrote:Lads, ye fed the Gremlin after midnight, who knows what is going to happen now!

by Tommy David lookalike Sat 25 Feb - 11:50

It's the 6 nations, every game is must win, irrespective of previous results.

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