Craig Jouberts performance.....

Your thoughts?

Sorry all, should give you mine really:

1) Australians constantly offside at the breakdown.
2) OZ Players constantly off their feet at ruck time and no clear release by tackler.
3) Only Wales were asked to roll away after the tackle.
4) OZ players clearing out rucks coming in from the side.
5) Players coming in at the side of mauls.

I have watched the game again and said it at the time, Joubert only refereed one side at the breakdown. Wales. Stephen Jones of the Times today has also highlighted Jouberts performance as having some "Highly contentious decisions".

In other words, he was unfair and inconsistent.

Permian88 wrote:Sorry all, should give you mine really:

1) Australians constantly offside at the breakdown.
2) OZ Players constantly off their feet at ruck time and no clear release by tackler.
3) Only Wales were asked to roll away after the tackle.
4) OZ players clearing out rucks coming in from the side.
5) Players coming in at the side of mauls.

I have watched the game again and said it at the time, Joubert only refereed one side at the breakdown. Wales. Stephen Jones of the Times today has also highlighted Jouberts performance as having some "Highly contentious decisions".

In other words, he was unfair and inconsistent.

Can't say I noticed that much, as a neutral. And Stephen Jones of the Times isn't exactly known for his accuracy or lack of bias

Possibly? Haha, I could sight Shaun Edwards too but you'd probably give the same arguement?

I suspect it's simpyl a marginally different interpretation of the breakdown laws, partly as a result of NH vs SH - I read in TRP that Shaun Edwards was "up in arms" about Joubert's performance - standard fare for a defence coach!

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:I suspect it's simpyl a marginally different interpretation of the breakdown laws, partly as a result of NH vs SH - I read in TRP that Shaun Edwards was "up in arms" about Joubert's performance - standard fare for a defence coach!

So do we think its a lack of consistency between north and south refs? IRB rules are for both hemispheres....so who interprets them best? I think it is important to have clarity because from the vast amounts of rugby i watch from both hemispheres there were nigh on no comparison between refs from north and south this weekend?

Although the All Blacks seemed to do ok with Nigel Owens.

We lost because we were s*ite and Genia was awesome, not because of Craig Joubert.

Permian88 wrote:

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:I suspect it's simpyl a marginally different interpretation of the breakdown laws, partly as a result of NH vs SH - I read in TRP that Shaun Edwards was "up in arms" about Joubert's performance - standard fare for a defence coach!

So do we think its a lack of consistency between north and south refs? IRB rules are for both hemispheres....so who interprets them best? I think it is important to have clarity because from the vast amounts of rugby i watch from both hemispheres there were nigh on no comparison between refs from north and south this weekend?

Although the All Blacks seemed to do ok with Nigel Owens.

Permian, not sure, bud, but good teams will adjust their game accordingly - so even if it were a factor, hopefully it wouldn't be for too long

Joubert was poor - but then he always is. I did not think his decisions were unfair though.

His interpretation of what the tackler can do at the breakdown was different to Rabo reffs, but then they are different again to AP refs. Again it was reasonably consistent.

Joubert was grand imo

the weird one for me was when Warburton was penalised for not releasing before ripping the ball. The replay clearly showed he had - so what did the ref "see"?

Could he not believe that someone from the NH could do such a thing?

be careful though, you're on dangerous ground on this forum if you mention the ref.

Did thy username used to read: Slightly biased Scarlet?

My comments should have been clarified by my last post now mate?

If I found out I agreed with Stephen Jones about something I'd change my point of view.

For some reason my post seems to of diappeared?
In short it read....

I'm not blaming Joubert for the loss.

Merely identifying that his performance was poor and inconsistent.

Permian88 wrote:Did thy username used to read: Slightly biased Scarlet?

My comments should have been clarified by my last post now mate?

who's this aimed at?

Permian88 wrote:For some reason my post seems to of diappeared?
In short it read....

I'm not blaming Joubert for the loss.

Merely identifying that his performance was poor and inconsistent.

The bits in bold below would suggest you think he was favouring Australia.

Permian88 wrote:1) Australians constantly offside at the breakdown.
2) OZ Players constantly off their feet at ruck time and no clear release by tackler.
3) Only Wales were asked to roll away after the tackle.
4) OZ players clearing out rucks coming in from the side.
5) Players coming in at the side of mauls.

I have watched the game again and said it at the time, Joubert only refereed one side at the breakdown. Wales. Stephen Jones of the Times today has also highlighted Jouberts performance as having some "Highly contentious decisions".

In other words, he was unfair and inconsistent.

sugarNspikes wrote:

Permian88 wrote:For some reason my post seems to of diappeared?
In short it read....

I'm not blaming Joubert for the loss.

Merely identifying that his performance was poor and inconsistent.

The bits in bold below would suggest you think he was favouring Australia.

Permian88 wrote:1) Australians constantly offside at the breakdown.
2) OZ Players constantly off their feet at ruck time and no clear release by tackler.
3) Only Wales were asked to roll away after the tackle.
4) OZ players clearing out rucks coming in from the side.
5) Players coming in at the side of mauls.

I have watched the game again and said it at the time, Joubert only refereed one side at the breakdown. Wales. Stephen Jones of the Times today has also highlighted Jouberts performance as having some "Highly contentious decisions".

In other words, he was unfair and inconsistent.

he did

Spikes,

My previous post went missing hence the short version.

It would of also read "I don't believe Joubert was conciously refeereeing the two sides differently".

That doesn't mean he wasn't refeereeing them differently. Also, like i said " i dont blame him for the loss".

The original post you highlight identified his deficiencies.

But you can still use the word "favoured" depends in what context you use it?

slartibartfast wrote:

Permian88 wrote:Did thy username used to read: Slightly biased Scarlet?

My comments should have been clarified by my last post now mate?

who's this aimed at?

You mate. Mere observation from previous board.

I really thought we were going to get through a weekend without fans feeling badly done to by the ref.

I like Joubert, but he does have the tendency to try and keep the game moving at the expense of some of the Laws.

My personal view of the way he runs the breakdowns is that he favours the team that gets there fustest with the mostest. Commit numbers early and swamp the opposition and he'll let you get away with naughties because it means you're getting ball out quickly that you've "earned" by committing bodies.

I guess they all have their own quirks.

PJHolybloke wrote:I like Joubert, but he does have the tendency to try and keep the game moving at the expense of some of the Laws.

My personal view of the way he runs the breakdowns is that he favours the team that gets there fustest with the mostest. Commit numbers early and swamp the opposition and he'll let you get away with naughties because it means you're getting ball out quickly that you've "earned" by committing bodies.

I guess they all have their own quirks.

Wales have him in the third test. If he continues to referee this way, consistently for both sides and Wales have adapted their game plan to suit it, then fine.

But I can draw little comparison to the way he referees the breakdown to other NH refs. In reference to my other points. I still feel the two sides were refereed differently.

Wales have themselves to blame, the phrase "Play the referee" springs to mind. And they just didnt seem to adapt their game plan.

sugarNspikes wrote:I really thought we were going to get through a weekend without fans feeling badly done to by the ref.

Did you read his post ? The guy is not making excuses

sugarNspikes wrote:I really thought we were going to get through a weekend without fans feeling badly done to by the ref.

BINGO!

sugarNspikes, wins

Cymroglan wrote:

sugarNspikes wrote:I really thought we were going to get through a weekend without fans feeling badly done to by the ref.

Did you read his post ? The guy is not making excuses

I didn't say he was making excuses, but he is saying that Wales were refereed differently and Australia were allowed to get away with all sorts. That sounds like feeling badly done to by the ref to me.

Hey, be nice to Joubert...he was my u14 / u15 coach!

(I didn't see the game, so have no opinion on his reffing....he was a darn good coach though)

Joubert for me is one of the best - He made a few errors for both sides as one would expect of all refs but other than that no problems here. I'd be happy with him for the next 2 tests. Warburton was unlucky.

And I'm sure that If I went on the thread discussing the Irish or English game the same thing would have been mentioned there,
I cant be 100% sure about that though as I have not been on them due to the fact my interest has been towards my own side.

sugarNspikes wrote:

Cymroglan wrote:

sugarNspikes wrote:I really thought we were going to get through a weekend without fans feeling badly done to by the ref.

Did you read his post ? The guy is not making excuses

I didn't say he was making excuses, but he is saying that Wales were refereed differently and Australia were allowed to get away with all sorts. That sounds like feeling badly done to by the ref to me.

you can be hard done by and still win a match - that's the point of the post

Joubert did not cost Wales the match, it was Genia's performance, Australia's clinical finishing and Wale's all round poor game. However, I completely agree with the OP, its no excuse but Joubert repeatedly let Aus get away with all the offences mentioned in the OP. I was creaming every time for Aus players to roll away, when they were coming in off their feet and in from the side. No excuses, you can win a game and criticise the ref's performance, which is exactly what I would have done even if Wales won. They only got themselves to blame however, not the ref.

martyr_94 wrote:Joubert did not cost Wales the match, it was Genia's performance, Australia's clinical finishing and Wale's all round poor game. However, I completely agree with the OP, its no excuse but Joubert repeatedly let Aus get away with all the offences mentioned in the OP. I was creaming every time for Aus players to roll away, when they were coming in off their feet and in from the side. No excuses, you can win a game and criticise the ref's performance, which is exactly what I would have done even if Wales won. They only got themselves to blame however, not the ref.

creaming?

Craig Jourbert is the best referee in the World, and has been for more than the last year, from what I saw of the Aussie game I see no reason to change my opinion. an opinion which is somewhat supported by the fact that Stephen Jones seems to be saying the opposite.

Out of interest who are next weekends refs?

RubyGuby wrote:Joubert for me is one of the best - He made a few errors for both sides as one would expect of all refs but other than that no problems here. I'd be happy with him for the next 2 tests.

That's more like it!

sugarNspikes wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:Joubert for me is one of the best - He made a few errors for both sides as one would expect of all refs but other than that no problems here. I'd be happy with him for the next 2 tests.

That's more like it!

must conform, must conform

Slarti - I think you are conforming more than me mate - He made a few errors and maybe the hairline ones went Aus's way (maybe) - I'd be happy with him again; he's the best around.

I agree he most certainly is the best around, but, for me I think Australia got away with allot at the breakdown. That's what the best sides do, they play on the edge. I still think Australia got away with allot however.

RubyGuby wrote:Slarti - I think you are conforming more than me mate - He made a few errors and maybe the hairline ones went Aus's way (maybe) - I'd be happy with him again; he's the best around.

my point was at sugary guy - you must agree with him otherwise your just blinkered

If the question is, would I be happy for Joubert to ref the next match? I'd say yes

if the question is, was he leinient to OZ? then I'd say yes

Do I think Wales lost becuase of him? No

So I don't understand why we're not allowed to comment on the ref - it's part of the game?

Of course you can comment on the ref.

I commented on you commenting on the ref.

You commented on me commenting on you commenting about the ref.

Discussion.

'sugary guy'!

sugarNspikes wrote:Of course you can comment on the ref.

I commented on you commenting on the ref.

You commented on me commenting on you commenting about the ref.

Discussion.

'sugary guy'!

I don't want you commenting on me though - feels like you're stalking

Just leave us alone

slartibartfast wrote:

sugarNspikes wrote:Of course you can comment on the ref.

I commented on you commenting on the ref.

You commented on me commenting on you commenting about the ref.

Discussion.

'sugary guy'!

I don't want you commenting on me though - feels like you're stalking

Just leave us alone

Grow up. It's a discussion forum

If you're going to post, expect to be challenged.

Sugars giving you a caneing Slarti

sugarNspikes wrote:

slartibartfast wrote:

sugarNspikes wrote:Of course you can comment on the ref.

I commented on you commenting on the ref.

You commented on me commenting on you commenting about the ref.

Discussion.

'sugary guy'!

I don't want you commenting on me though - feels like you're stalking

Just leave us alone

Grow up. It's a discussion forum

Then discuss the thread, did you watch the game?

Slarti - Smile, he's Tate & Lyle

Are Joubert and Lawrence bunking together...they seem to have the same reviews when Oz are involved now?

Taylorman wrote:Are Joubert and Lawrence bunking together...they seem to have the same reviews when Oz are involved now?

Well, at least there's consistency there!

And the classic wales whinge - the ref was biased.

Get a grip

TJ - keep your comments to the individuals, not the whole nation

TJ wrote:And the classic wales whinge - the ref was biased.

Get a grip

Very constructive and a well though out post.

TJ wrote:And the classic wales whinge - the ref was biased.

Get a grip

Don't be xenophobic

Go get him Slart