Euro 2012: Day 12 Thread

[Duty281]

First topic message reminder :

Sweden v France (ITV 4, 19:45)
England v Ukraine (ITV 1, 19:45)

Current Group Standings:

France - 4
England - 4
Ukraine - 3
Sweden - 0


If points are level, sorting criteria is thus:

Equality of points after the group matches
8.07 If two or more teams are equal on points on completion of the group matches, the
following criteria are applied, in the order given; to determine the rankings:
a) higher number of points obtained in the matches among the teams in question;
b) superior goal difference in the matches among the teams in question (if MORE
than two teams finish equal on points);
c) higher number of goals scored in the matches among the teams in question (if
MORE than two teams finish equal on points);
d) superior goal difference in all the group matches;
e) higher number of goals scored in all the group matches;
f) position in the UEFA national team coefficient ranking system (see Annex I,
paragraph 1.2.2);
g) fair play conduct of the teams (final tournament);
h) drawing of lots.

And this is what each team needs to do:

France (v Sweden)
Win - Secures qualification. Top spot depends on the result between England and Ukraine. If England also win, top spot goes to the team with the superior goal difference.
Draw - Secures qualification. Will still progress as group winners if England v Ukraine ends in a draw courtesy of their superior goal difference over Roy Hodgson's men.
Lose - Through as second-placed team if England beat Ukraine. If England and Ukraine draw, France will still qualify courtesy of their better head-to-head record against the co-hosts. If both England and France lose the team which has the superior goal difference between the pair will qualify.

England (v Ukraine)
Win - Secures qualification and they will progress as group winners if France fail to beat Sweden.
Draw - Secures qualification and they will progress as group winners if France lose to Sweden. If both final group games end in a draw, France will qualify as group winners courtesy of their superior goal difference over Roy Hodgson's men.
Lose - Out if France win or draw against Sweden. If both England and France lose the team which has the superior goal difference between the pair will qualify.

Ukraine (v England)
Win - Secures qualification. They will qualify as group winners if France fail to beat Sweden.
Draw - Out.
Lose - Out.

Sweden (v France)
Already eliminated.

Final day of the group stages, we have 6 teams through to the Quarters, 2 teams will join tomorrow. Sweden are already out courtesy of losing to the Co-Hosts and England. Ukraine need a win against England to qualify, nothing else will do and on their home patch they will be feeling confident. England only need to avoid defeat and they will make it to the quarters, whether they will make it to top spot or not depends on the French game and how many goals England can score with a certain Wayne Rooney back in the team (of course England could make it through with a defeat but that's a pretty unlikely scenario in which Sweden will need to beat France by a bigger margin than Ukraine beat England). For France, avoiding defeat will guarantee them qualification, a defeat and they will need to rely on England drawing or beating the Ukraine. And similar to England, they could make it through with a defeat.

Winners of Group D will face Italy.
Runners Up of Group D will face Spain.

Come on England!

[mystiroakey]

Az you said england and ireland were the worst teams in this cup- do you really stand by that assesment

So far yes. Their style of football can best be describes as industrial. All other teams pass and move. England hoof it upfield and run hoping for little flicks and lucky breaks.

And good rear guard Dunkirk style retreat and defense in the face of certain defeat.

If England get through, watch them play anti football against Spain.

well your just wrong- but there you go you have a right to an opinion- however wrong I feel it is. It may be better to state you dont like the way england play- but the fact is they have been more effective and better than many others

[mystiroakey]

jeasus this team has come out the blocks like a train lol.

[azania]

The moment England meet a top 10 team, out they go. Germany, Spain, Portugal, Italy, France will all comfortably beat England. You guys will always be a quarter final team at best.

Industrial football, where perspiration beats inspiration is over.

[mystiroakey]

france

[GG]

If England were in group b they'd have lost every game.

[azania]

Engerland look like Wimbledon of the 1980s. Long ball here we go.

[mystiroakey]

come on england

[mystiroakey]

that is some noisey place- jeasus

[Steffan]

Come on Ukraine sort it out

[azania]

How many long kicks has Hart done already. The object is to keep the freaking ball. Most other teams would start the build up from the back. This isn't rubgy.

[azania]

England are getting outplayed

[mystiroakey]

az easier said than done pal- Ukraine are on 100% hype- they wont be able to keep that up mind. Game needs to settle down abit- its all gone pete tong. and we need to shut that crowd up- this is about as loud a game as i have ever heard on telly

[Crimey]

Rooney looks a little nervous, as if he knows that every time he touches the ball the whole nation expects something really special.

[Crimey]

England are getting outplayed

The France-Ukraine was similar to this, Ukraine came out flying but just couldn't keep it up.

[Postie]

The have a plan to isolate Cole 1 to 1, and it's working atm.Young is not giving him any cover.

[mystiroakey]

game is settling down at last -- thank gawdd. time to get some pressure on em

[Crimey]

The have a plan to isolate Cole 1 to 1, and it's working atm.Young is not giving him any cover.

I think that's just because Yarmalenko is their best player. Attacks will go through him most of the time.

[mystiroakey]

rooney makes us look so much better on the ball..

unlucky pal- good passing move

[Crimey]

rooney makes us look so much better on the ball..

Normally I'd agree but he's given the ball away a few times already, just looks a little nervy.

[Crimey]

I tell you who'd have just finished that chance...Andy Carroll.

[mystiroakey]

he is just getting into it..

that last passing move from england- about 20 passes- rooney was pulling the strings. we havent had anything like that in this tourny so far

[Guest]

England don't have any better players (fit) than those on the pitch. These are Englands best players more or less.

[azania]

What is wrong with passing the ball to a team mate?. Myst, I think you are watching a different game. 3 passes then look up for the long industrial hoof upfield in the general direction of a white shirt.

[mystiroakey]

i was talking about the one move Az.. lol, nice passing move that one. need more of it

[Josiah Maiestas]

Haha

Does Milner have a pulse?

"And there's Milner's mistake"

[Guest]

Maybe Rooney should have been brought on as a substitute?

[azania]

Damn, some of those Ukrainian hoochies are fine!

[Josiah Maiestas]

Gareth Barry even with his torn groin would do a lot more for the team than F'ing Milner!

[mystiroakey]

was that millner being taken out in that dance off?

[Breadvan]

Barry and Lampard are really being missed in the midfield. Milner n Parker are woeful...

[Guest]

How is Young playing? He performed poorly in the past two matches.

[mystiroakey]

oh no it was scotty trying to tackle a player with his head

[Guest]

I think Milner and Parker are solid players but a bit too slow for international level. Shame England don't have any better players to replace them.

[Guest]

Sweden had the better first half than France. England and France seem to be in a similar situation.

[Guest]

Absolutely shocking display this. Lifeless! These tactics are appaling, we're letting a shocking Ukraine side dominate, wtf??????

Seriously watching England is like watching paint dry. Yes, this is negative but it's the truth. Spain must be shi*ting themselves!

[Josiah Maiestas]

Parker and Milner lack any form of control and attacking nous. Get Theo on!

[mystiroakey]

well the fact is we wethered the storm- we have a vitual lead. I want a goal second half mind- it could give us the group. i take it it must be 0-0 for france as well

[Crimey]

Young needs to be told to help Cole out more.
Everybody needs to be told to keep the ball better.
Rooney needs to be told just to play his natural game, he's either nervous or just lacking that little bit extra sharpness.

[Postie]

Am just pleased Shevchenko is on the bench

Very good half from Ukraine, they just lacked that bit of quality in the final third, although Yarmolenko has threatened.

Still, as it stands we go through.

[Crimey]

France-Sweden game looking identical to this one, Sweden being Ukraine.

The France-Ukraine game was very similar to this one, so I wouldn't be too worried. I'm just hoping that we don't sit back after scoring again.

[bretmeharty]

I tell you who'd have just finished that chance...Andy Carroll.

I thought to myself after seing that chance I bet Crimey says something like that and behold I come on here and see that

#Blindliverpoolfan

[Guest]

I thought they really came back into it in the latter stages of that half, the band that is.

Appalling stuff but on the plus side we can only get better.....surely?

[Josiah Maiestas]

Milner needs to be given his ticket back to manchester, totally useless player, would not even make the Oirish team!

[Guest]

England played well against Sweden, apart from a shocking defensive performance in the first 15 minutes of the second half. I am thinking that bringing in Rooney has disturbed Englands balance and team coherency that they have built up over the previous two matches. I am thinking Rooney should have been brought on as a substitute against a tiring Ukraine side. However I suppose Hodgson was scared of what the press might say.

[mystiroakey]

yeah get rid of milner- 100% agree

[Guest]

Why are we so negative against such poor opposition, it's embarrasing to watch. Ukraine like Holland like alot of the teams at this euro's crumble when you attack them but what do we do......sit back and invite pressure. I'm not a fan of Hodgson and never will be playing like this. Milner is past atrocious, I'm even saying put Theo! (@azania/Crimey )

Abysmal first half performance!

[Liam]

Walcott and Carroll will be on after 60-70 mins. Still have no idea why Lennon or Adam Johnson aren't in this squad, two players who can offer some real attacking threat going forward.

[Guest]

The fact is all of the invention has come from Ukraine. How much space do our midfielders want to give theirs. At times it was like a hot knife through butter.

But England being England will go on to progress and the sugar coating continue up until the weekend.

[Postie]

Am thinking Carroll on for Rooney sometime in 2nd half, if it stays the same ? Just to give us more of an outlet, as it's obviously not working very well so far ?

Rooney looks rusty, no doubt about it.

[Guest]

Lennon was out injured most of the season but seemed to be back to form and fitness towards the end of the season. Players that have come back from injury late in the season should in principle be fresher than those who have gone through a full premiership season.

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