Time for Germany to rebuild?

After conceding twice to an Italian side that couldn't break down England in 120, defensively not so great. The midfield couldn't get to grips with Pirlo and Gomez had one of his donkey days.

Some promising youth coming through, might be time to blood them ahead of Brazil 2014.

yeah lol haha

Reus will definately be pushing for a starting place from now on, he certainly looked a lot more of a threat going forward, Gotze is coming back to fitness and will certainly be pushing for more time soon too.
With the likes too of Holtby, Gundongan, Schurrle & Herrmann coming through as well I reckon they'll be fine.

Germany need to rip up the rule book and start from scatch

Rebuilding? They have a very young team who are developing into a great team. Inexperience cost them dearly. In two years time they will be runners up.

2006 - Semi Finals
2008 - Runners Up
2010 - Semi Finals
2012 - Semi Finals

When are they going to make the final step? 16 years of hurt.

Inexperience. Drop me out.. they just don't have the technical ability at the highest level.

mystiroakey wrote:Inexperience. Drop me out.. they just don't have the technical ability at the highest level.

I'm sorry but this is absolute b*llocks.

You're reacting to one result. They have gone final, semi-final, semi-final in the past three major tournaments, that is the highest level! They have some of the world's best technical players in Schweinsteiger, Khedira, Ozil, Reus, Gotze, Gomez, Lahm, Hummels...if they don't have the technical ability at the highest level than I don't know who you think does?

I genuinely can't believe you're spouting such rubbish because of one result. I don't think Germany are miles ahead of other teams but to suggest they don't have the technical ability at the highest level is laughable. Absolutely laughable. If you genuinely believe that then I don't think I could ever take your opinion seriously on anything, and it's already a stretch now.

the first bite

its ironic based on the point of this thread which i take as being tounge in cheek (parallels to the english talk after every tourny)

is the deepest...

After conceding twice to an Italian side that couldn't break down England in 120

But the Italians did break the English down they just couldnt score and if they put away all there chances it would have been worse

Firstly they didnt break us down enough to score- mainly because we held onto our shape. but secondly and perhaps the most important point to note is that italy scored - germany then had to go for it more. England just held on. based on previous games when england have been down - england play differently to try and score- for obvious reasons. Germany were down and had to try and pressurise- I actually think england would have performed much better if we had gone 1 down, so i dont think it could or would have been worse

So the 36 goal attempts with 8 on taget ISN'T breaking you down and creating chances including 2 from around 6yards out?

2 from 6 yards is yes,but then england also broke the italians down 2 times!! Engalnd have played this dont lose the game approach of retaining shape- which although is kind off effective, it isnt good footy on the eye and stats make things look embarrasing. But if 30 odd are from outside the box that doesnt mean we were broken down 30 odd times..

germany were broken down about 5 times second half because they pushed on to try and score.. very similar to england/germany last tourny, but germany actually finished them on that occasion. Italy broke the german defense maybe 8 times but only a couple v england

This German team just had a bad day at the office. I don't think they played that badly. Italy just played extremely well. Germany had chances too, but the ball just didn't fall for them. No need for them to panic at all. I think we should give a lot of credit to the Italians on what was a really great performance. Pirlo, the player of the tournament without a doubt.

Yeah germany just looked abit flat. however good teams do make other teams look that way. I think it is abit naive to say they had a bad day at the office. I think its more about many underestimating the italians in fairness.

The italians play nice football- offcourse that is all through one player. If it wasnt for pirlo i doubt italy would have even beat england in the pen shoot out- That guy has put in two 10/10's on the spin. What a player

Cracking bite by crimey there

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:After conceding twice to an Italian side that couldn't break down England in 120, defensively not so great. The midfield couldn't get to grips with Pirlo and Gomez had one of his donkey days.

Some promising youth coming through, might be time to blood them ahead of Brazil 2014.

Italy did everything but score agaisnt England, to say they couldn't break them down is a bit of a joke. Balotelli played very well against England he just couldn't stick it in.

Talented but vulnerable team. Need to address defensive issues if they want to win a major tournament. Very good going foward but conceding 6 goals in 5 games shows you were their problem lies. Also are possibly a bit mentally frail.
At the moment, they are only finalist/semi-finalist material and will lose to top teams that are strong in all positions.
I heard that there were problems in their camp which might also explain their tame performance against Italy.

Crimey wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:Inexperience. Drop me out.. they just don't have the technical ability at the highest level.

I'm sorry but this is absolute b*llocks.

You're reacting to one result. They have gone final, semi-final, semi-final in the past three major tournaments, that is the highest level! They have some of the world's best technical players in Schweinsteiger, Khedira, Ozil, Reus, Gotze, Gomez, Lahm, Hummels...if they don't have the technical ability at the highest level than I don't know who you think does?

I genuinely can't believe you're spouting such rubbish because of one result. I don't think Germany are miles ahead of other teams but to suggest they don't have the technical ability at the highest level is laughable. Absolutely laughable. If you genuinely believe that then I don't think I could ever take your opinion seriously on anything, and it's already a stretch now.

I'm not condoning any mods abuse their power but if this disappears I'll understand

Lol

Thinking it might be time to move on from the likes of Lahm. Their past failures seem to be dragging the team down.

yeah lahm is part of a failed system and mentality..

Or should this golden generation have another crack at the whip

It's not really a golden generation, Lahm is part of the older generation. It's a mix of two. You lads are clearly on the wind anyway.

Sorry i forget that golden balls lahm was abit old school.

I reakon ozil loves a granny as well. I doubt anyone else would

what is the point of the article ? its completely gone off track.

So Bully whats your thoughts, should germany make changes?

I couldn't believe how ordinary Italy made them look...like Poland, Ukraine...or England.

I was also flabbergasted they put 2 past Germany after being unable to score against us. I'm rooting for Italy in the final, as that way at least England can say they went out to the eventual winners.

Getting back on topic, I believe Germany are part way through a rebuild. Most of their squad are relatively young and inexperienced, with a sprinkling of older players. I think the rebuild will be complete once a few more of the older heads have retired from international competition.

Even with a squad at the peak of its powers though I still don't think they'd have won. There is something about the Italians at the moment (and of course they have the crazy-but-brilliant Balotelli, as well as General Pirlo in midfield). I think this year is just one of those times where the script has been written for them to win.

I wouldn't say in need of a rebuild, just get rid of Podolski and Muller who contributed very little and play Reus and Schurrle/Gotze. Ozil ran out of puff but he has the stamina of a 90 year old granny with asthma and 1 lung.

Don't say Lahm is past it: World's best fullback and don't you forget it. Schweinsteiger was dreadful in the last 2 games though.

I thought Schurrle was just as bad as both Podolski and Muller when he played.

He wasn't any worse though and is quicker than either of them. Reus left and Gotze right then, that will work. Disappointed I didn't see more of Gotze this tournament.

Also, how bad was Kroos?