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Post by KO-KING Sun 29 Jul 2012, 2:41 pm

dont know the names, but that thai boxer clearly beat the kazakstan fighter.

8-8 going into the final round - which is in my opinion about right. Last round kaz fighter gassed and hardly did anything, the thai boxer landed two combinations to the body with atleast 6 clean punches landed between them both, won the round, yet the kazakstan fighter got the decision - last round was 4-4

I still don't understand why body punching isn't rewarded in amateur boxing.

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Post by Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn Sun 29 Jul 2012, 3:09 pm

just seen it myself. Crazy!!!
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Post by 6oldenbhoy Sun 29 Jul 2012, 3:40 pm

Poor decision, but combinations never score as they should.

There's been a couple of poor decisions thus far. I thought the Venezulean Middleweight was hard done by. Same with the Ghanian Bantam last night, though to be fair, I thought he maybe should have been docked a point or two.

France vs Germany is on now. Should be a good bout. Vastine is a quality operator.

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Post by KO-KING Sun 29 Jul 2012, 5:41 pm

that peurto rican Felix sanchez or something - he looks like a prospect, has a decent pro style, footwork needs work but has good puncing technique, good body puncher also has a solid left hook

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Post by KO-KING Mon 30 Jul 2012, 2:27 pm

2nd robbery, botswana fighter lost 14-12 to the 17 year old peurto rican with the funny hair (cintron), should have won about 17-10. disgraceful, worse than the first

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Post by horizontalhero Tue 31 Jul 2012, 3:54 am

KO-KING wrote:dont know the names, but that thai boxer clearly beat the kazakstan fighter.

8-8 going into the final round - which is in my opinion about right. Last round kaz fighter gassed and hardly did anything, the thai boxer landed two combinations to the body with atleast 6 clean punches landed between them both, won the round, yet the kazakstan fighter got the decision - last round was 4-4

I still don't understand why body punching isn't rewarded in amateur boxing.

Body punches are scoring shots, but the computer scoring means that 3 of 5 judges need to see the punch land, and for them to hit the button within 0.5 of a second of each other, so big obvious single head shots tend to score as they are easy to see, whilst body punches, fast combinations, doubled jabs etc tend to get missed as they are harder to see if they land clearly. The scoring system has changed the style needed to be successsful, and still produces robberies- it should be abolished and we should return to the traditional 20 point must system imho.

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Tue 31 Jul 2012, 7:40 am

6oldenbhoy wrote:Poor decision, but combinations never score as they should.

Four clear body shots landed and I bet you they didn't even give him one point for that. The judges can now hide behind this fact now with the end of round scoring system.

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Post by ian_jamsie Tue 31 Jul 2012, 12:32 pm

If they are in quick succession they very often get just 1.

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Post by azania Wed 01 Aug 2012, 9:38 pm

Looks like the Japanese just got shafted.

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Post by Group Cpt Lionel Mandrake Wed 01 Aug 2012, 9:38 pm

Just about to post that. absolutely robbed Sad

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Post by Group Cpt Lionel Mandrake Wed 01 Aug 2012, 10:07 pm

Farcical stuff now!

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Post by BoxingFan88 Wed 01 Aug 2012, 10:10 pm

Anyone just see that appalling ref display? Iranian boxer disqualified for 3 point deductions in a matter of seconds!

Stinking decision, that ref should never see a boxing contest again, let alone officiate one!!

It was in the heavyweight division Iran vs Cuba.

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Post by owen10ozzy Wed 01 Aug 2012, 10:12 pm

Really Really pathetic....It's getting to the point now where I could imagine it getting thrown out of the Olympics all together,

Absolute farce!!

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Post by Group Cpt Lionel Mandrake Wed 01 Aug 2012, 10:14 pm

That ref was shocking. the holding was nothing

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Post by BoxingFan88 Wed 01 Aug 2012, 10:17 pm

They were both holding!

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Post by Group Cpt Lionel Mandrake Wed 01 Aug 2012, 10:19 pm

Hardly enough to warrant a warning

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Post by rapidringsroad Wed 01 Aug 2012, 10:34 pm

That decision to disqualify the Iranian boxer is the reason I won't watch Olympic boxing. The Cuban was being given a boxing lesson and I don't think he would have won that fight if the bit we saw was anything to go off. That ref shouldn't be allowed near a ring again.I won't be watching any more Olympic boxing.

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Post by azania Wed 01 Aug 2012, 10:42 pm

That Kazak SHW looks prety decent. Good movement and punching.

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Post by TheMackemMawler Wed 01 Aug 2012, 10:44 pm

rapidringsroad wrote:That decision to disqualify the Iranian boxer is the reason I won't watch Olympic boxing. The Cuban was being given a boxing lesson and I don't think he would have won that fight if the bit we saw was anything to go off. That ref shouldn't be allowed near a ring again.I won't be watching any more Olympic boxing.

Don't cut your nose off to spite your face. You will miss some quality action. Anyway, I'll let you know how Joshua gets on.
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Post by BoxingFan88 Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:12 pm

That Chinese SHW looked pretty dam good.

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:13 pm

He looked very strong but amateur fights always get stopped so early.

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Post by azania Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:22 pm

Savon is heading for a robbery. Looks like a hometown decision heading Joshua's way. Josh looks like he'll be a very good pro.

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Post by BoxingFan88 Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:24 pm

Iim not being funny but I personally I think this cuban is outboxing Joshua....

14-12? Really???

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Post by TheMackemMawler Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:26 pm

This is vile. Up to the end of the second, Savon could have outscored joshua to such an extent that he could have stopped him on the out class rule.
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Post by BoxingFan88 Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:27 pm

In my opinion the Cuban has this....

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Post by BoxingFan88 Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:28 pm

No doubt that in the pros this would have ended in KO in favour of Joshua....

However the Cuban makes him look like he is moving in slow motion, Cuban deserves this.

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Post by owen10ozzy Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:28 pm

Yep agreed. Cuban by a couple of points 2/3 perhaps!!

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Post by TheMackemMawler Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:28 pm

With 30 seconds left of the 3rd and joshua hurt and holding it was disgusting that the ref failed to shout break to allow joshua time to recover.
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Post by TheMackemMawler Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:29 pm

H&^&, kH&^, ^#44


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Post by BoxingFan88 Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:29 pm

He just got shafted, I support Brits with tremendous bias, but I can't justify that.

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Post by Boxtthis Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:30 pm

Home town decision there. The Cuban outlanded him by a decent margin. Far cleaner punching.

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Post by owen10ozzy Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:30 pm

Robbery....I can't say anything else. That'3 robberies this evening. Wasn't he supposed to be our great hope of a Gold Medal?..

4-3 final round...I counted 2 jab, right combinations which scored clearly alone....obviously he must have missed every other punch lol!

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Post by azania Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:30 pm

Poor Savon. Daylight robbery there. Loving the boxing and scoring.

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:30 pm

Joshua should consider himself quite lucky.

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Post by seanmichaels Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:32 pm

Ermm, I'm not a boxing geek like most on here but if the big guy in blue won that then my backside is a fire engine.

Slightly embarrassing I'm afraid

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Post by Killer_B_6 Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:33 pm

That Cuban was different and it could have gone either way to be honest. However, Joshua was on the front foot all fight and has the home crowd so no surprise he got the verdict. No doubt some cynics will slate Joshua for the result.

Joshua looks like a promising pro - he's only been boxing for four years so is still on a steep learning curve. If he does well at these Olympics and turns pro after he will only be 22 so have plenty of time to learn his trade too.

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Post by Boxtthis Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:33 pm

owen10ozzy wrote:Robbery....I can't say anything else. That'3 robberies this evening. Wasn't he supposed to be our great hope of a Gold Medal?

He is one of the big hopes. World silver medalist. Just eliminated 4th seed of the tournament. He's got a tough opponent next, but if he gets through that, he'll been well in with a shout. Can't say I'm overly impressed by him though.

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Post by BoxingFan88 Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:34 pm

If it was a round by round, I couldn't even give Joshua a round.

The Cuban danced around him, made him look slow and then countered effectively. In my opinion it wasn't close and it was an easy fight to score.

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Post by TheMackemMawler Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:35 pm

I'm not sure which of Savons shots scored, but i wouldn't be suprised if none of those jabs, which made joshuas head snap back as though it was connected to his neck by a hinge, did.
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Post by djlovesyou Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:35 pm

I'm gonna say that the Joshua decision was perhaps a homer, but not quite daylight robbery.

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Post by TheMackemMawler Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:37 pm

seanmichaels wrote:Ermm, I'm not a boxing geek like most on here but if the big guy in blue won that then my backside is a fire engine.

Slightly embarrassing I'm afraid

you dont say? Wink
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Post by seanmichaels Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:38 pm

TheMackemMawler wrote:I'm not sure which of Savons shots scored, but i wouldn't be suprised if none of those jabs, which made joshuas head snap back as though it was connected to his neck by a hinge, did.

It wasn't close.

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Post by BoxingFan88 Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:38 pm

Are jabs scored in olympic boxing? To me it looks like they scored all Joshuas shots correctly, however they chose to ignore half of Savon's clean scoring shots, only justification I can come up with.

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Post by Boxtthis Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:38 pm

djlovesyou wrote:I'm gonna say that the Joshua decision was perhaps a homer, but not quite daylight robbery.

Yep, that's where I'd put it. I've seen more outrageous decisions, but it's certainly not the way I'd have awarded it.

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Post by seanmichaels Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:39 pm

TheMackemMawler wrote:
seanmichaels wrote:Ermm, I'm not a boxing geek like most on here but if the big guy in blue won that then my backside is a fire engine.

Slightly embarrassing I'm afraid

you dont say? Wink

Hmmm. Humour lost on some I see.

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Post by azania Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:40 pm

Joshua impressed me. He'll make a very good pro. The Cuban won that fight. His style is best suited to the amateur game. Still a robbery.

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Post by hampo17 Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:40 pm

The Cuban had the issue of coming forward and throwing 3 or 4 punches at a time which the judges only give him 1 point for, not exactly a robbery but if combination punches got scored correctly he'd have lost.

Still from lacing up the gloves for the first time four years ago to fighting in the Olympics he has done fantastic. Think nerves got to him tonight and can only think he'll be more relaxed next time.

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Post by TheMackemMawler Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:41 pm

seanmichaels wrote:
TheMackemMawler wrote:
seanmichaels wrote:Ermm, I'm not a boxing geek like most on here but if the big guy in blue won that then my backside is a fire engine.

Slightly embarrassing I'm afraid

you dont say? Wink

Hmmm. Humour lost on some I see.

Doh I thought you were a football nancy boy just popping in for two pence worth or something
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Post by Killer_B_6 Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:41 pm

The scoring system is a bit funny isn't it. Anyone got the exact rules?

You can always expect a bit of a homer and if you are fighting away you need to win by a clear margin.

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Post by BoxingFan88 Wed 01 Aug 2012, 11:43 pm

Seems the judges we going off compubox stats, they certainly weren't scoring it themselves....

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