Hearn vs Warren

Glad that recent bans over. Darn Seanus, haha. It got lonely out there in the real world.

So, who is the better promoter and why?

I think it is Eddie Hearn, and to be honest, i think a little boxing promoter rivalry is fun. Not when it stops real fights being made, but when they get on ifilmlondon and start spouting off. That part is fun.

Side note: Who is showing Ricky's fight? Sky Sports?


Yours,

emore (gotta try and be more and not get banned again)

I have mentioned on a number of occasions my views on Hearn and am currently in the process of actually doing an article on him for my blog so won't go into too much detail.

Suffice to say however, in my eyes, he is by far the best promoter at this moment in time.

For me Warren has fallen behind the times. He is doing with his fighters what he did with the likes of Hatton & Calzaghe. Hyping the main event and putting very little on below it. You can just about get away with it when the person in question is a huge star....but he has no one in his stable at that level.

I'm sorry but if your expecting me to pay £15 for your channel to watch Clev v Taxi Man/Nurse etc then at least have the common decency to stack the undercard and not just put 3 other fights on, which usually involve a prospect facing a stiff or a TBA who turns out to be Fat sid from down my local.

You only need to see the success that the Hearns have had with there other ventures to know that his move into the boxing ranks is a good thing.

They understand that to be a real player in this sport now you have to look at it as a fan not merely a business man. I have found almost all of the cards he has put on to date to be good with the match making proving to be decent also. I mean he could have easily sent out Froch v Mack and left it at that on Nov 24th (thats what Warren would do)...but he realises that whilst Froch is a big name in his own right..Mack is a stay busy fight. For that reason he has added Bellew along with including most of his prospects...

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Great response

As Ozzy has alluded to don’t think Warren has moved with the times, was the case in the Eubank and Benn days that if you filled the NEC you had made it but fighters have seen Hatton filling casinos in Vegas and taking on the best in the world and their perception of what is possible or where the glass ceiling is has changed, you could understand a fighter questioning whether Warren is either willing or capable of delivering those things for his fighters.

In the interest of balance it should be said that there is no evidence Eddie can deliver such fights for his charges yet but there is just a perception he is the coming guy and really wants to deliver fan friendly fights. Fighters have also seen Warren is not the only show in town now, Hatton, Calzaghe and Khan all flew the coup and it did not hurt any of them in terms of securing big fights.

Would be a fool to write off Warren but I do feel he is yesterdays man, think boxnation was a real mistake, launched in totally the wrong economic climate and when Frank did not have anywhere near the stable to support such a channel and even if he was to sweep up every international fight there simply are not the superstars to make it essential to the casual fan, the Klitschko’s are good but hardly must see, Floyd is a part time fighter, Manny is on the wane slightly and both are battling the indifference many are beginning to feel with them and their ongoing refusal to fight each other.

His stubborn attitude has him continuing with boxnation, IMO.

I'm all for channels focused on boxing, but he bit off a lot there.

The thing about boxnation is that it doesnt really need Warren to have a great stable. There was a pretty big gap in the market for alot of fights that were not being shown on sky or anywhere else. As long as boxnation is able to pick up alot of these fights it should do well. They might not all be stellar ppv level fights but alot of them are decent fights tht couldnt been seen outside of streaming.

Poor Billy Joe, such a talent and i fear he is going to go the WBO route and then be left fighting hags for half the money he could get if Frank actually progressed him according to his talent.

Both equally as bad as each other IMO.

Fail to see what Hearn is doing what Warren hasn't, Froch v Mack, Bellew v Bolonti (hardly a step up) his next card, Brook v Salvida in the meantime turning down a shot at Bradley.

Add to the woeful fact he has prizefighter which is pure garbage, I don't see why Hearn gets a free pass as a promotor.

Cheers

Rodders

No free passes from me Rodders but i think Hearn is going for mandatory title shots and that means a good split and a fair crack without any long term sign off's.

Also, Froch has had so many amazing fights he needs a pace setter just to tie him over as next year will probably be his last, IMO. And he will go out with two huge fights hopefully. Bute and Miiiiiiiiiiiiiikel Kessler!

Hearn is better at the moment I think. There has to be a balance struck between delivering big fights and building a fighters career. I think Hearn is taking the correct steps with Bellew and Brook. Neither were great in their last outing and too big a step up for them right now wouldnt do them any favours. As fans, ok, the fight arent marquee. But I think they are peices in a bigger picture. Hearn said Brook wsnt ready for Bradley and the offer from them didnt justify taking the fight. I think hes right.

Me too Manos, me too.

Plus, you know with Bradley there'd be a clause. The guy fights for Arum. If Brook wins the IBF then he has the ability to hold a belt and take fights without awful clauses. Plus, he'll be a world champion and able to sell up to 15,000 tickets at home. Surely he'll make more money than trucking over to the States to take a beating from Tim?

Certainly Hearn for me, right now. He's getting his lads showcased to a larger number of people, has the better quality in his stable and certainly seems to come across as a promoter who genuinely cares for his fighters far more than Warren does.

I actually think he's delivering a good standard of matchmaking, to be honest. In the past twelve months or so, the likes of Barker-Martinez, Froch-Bute, Frampton-Molitor etc have been amongst the most impressive and daring fights including a British fighter. Which of Warren's charges have featured in a bout as impressive on paper, or as interesting in terms of pitting a Brit against a genuinely world class foe? Chisora against Vitali perhaps, but outside of that, what is there?

As a side note, I have no issue with Bellew's next fight, or his opposition to this point. He's a European level fighter as it stands, and I'd say his opposition is a fair reflection of that, and has been improving steadily. I think the fact that his fight against Cleverly was for a 'world title' has blurred the picture around him. Bellew himself stated that he considered the fight merely a domestic dust up, and that the WBO belt was really just an incidental. He happily acknowledges that he's still working towards the world class bracket.

Hearn may have turned down an offer from Bradley for Brook, but can anyone even imagining the likes of Bradley knowing a single jot about Brook, never mind expressing an interest in fighting him, when he was with Warren?

I'm old fashioned Alma and I just don't like it. The fights dont represent what boxing is about, it's the whole concept of trying to please casual fans who can't be bothered to watch a 12 rounder.

I don't watch 20-20 cricket for exactly the same reason.

Cheers Rodders

You know Warren would have turned down the Bradley offer and then come out and said Bradley was ducking Brook aswell. At least Hearn was honest enough to admit they werent ready for the fight just yet and were following a different course.

Would definitely go wih Hearn. He seems to be making good progress with Brook (albeit a little slow considering his hype) you can't criticise the time Froch has been with him. Hearn has also established a relationship with Sky as the exclusive promoter which deserves praise.

Warren has done great things for UK boxing but his jealousy of others is beyong cringing and I think it holds him back when he should be concentrating solely on his own business. I like to read his articles in the Sun and laugh at the green eyed frog!

You have to look also at all his previous stars who all eventually move on and seldom on good terms.

Welcome back Emore.

I think Hearn has come with some great energy for the sport int he last couple of years, but ultimately I don't see him as doing anything particularly special. He got Bute over to Notts which I liked, but other than that he is just doing a decent job. Not brilliant. Bottom line is this. We are now in a situation where Hennessey, Hearn and Warren won't match their fighters against one another (largely due to tv deals), and that isn't good for the sport.

Not knocking Eddie, but not really better than Warren, just better lately

By Shaun Brown
During the recent announcement of Nathan Cleverly’s latest world title defence against Vyacheslav Uzelkov, the champion’s promoter Frank Warren publicly stated that four offers were put forward to Bernard Hopkins, Beibut Shumenov, Carl Froch and bitter rival Tony Bellew to fight the WBO champion.

BoxingScene contacted Matchroom Boxing’s head honcho Eddie Hearn to respond to the offer put forward to Froch, a current member of the A-list at 168lbs.
“We have stated time and time again that we are not interested in a fight with Nathan,” stated Hearn. “We then receive an e-mail with an offer and by this time Carl is IBF super middleweight champion. They (Frank Warren Promotions) knew, we knew that we were never going to accept it. It’s easy to throw offers around and it’s easy to hype a fight that really has no relevance to anyone.”

Hearn continued “I find the whole thing quite sad and I actually feel sorry for Nathan Cleverly.”

Warren gives British Boxing a bad name overseas for not getting high enough quality of opposition so in this instance suffice to say I will punt with Hearn Jr who has got Carl Froch mega fight after mega fight, i'd dread to think what Carl's career would be putting him with Warren instead.

Pure and simple Hearn beats Warren at this moment in time. Genuinely nice guy, appears to want to help his fighters not just use them as a business tool. He has emotions, which I think appeal to fans, as seen with Froch/Bute jumping out of the ring fiasco.

He genuinely seems to be putting his fighters through the right direction, but that doesn't always mean just throw your fighters in the toughest fight possible as the case with Brook is, to build a star you have to be smart and not rush fighters too quick.

I just think promoters are something similar to what I would wipe off my shoes if I step in it. But Hearn seems a decent bloke. But he did sell us cod roe as caviar when he gave us Brook v Hatton.

I think Martinez's replacement being Molitor speaks volumes, in terms of the difference between Hearn and fish face.
Imagine if Martinez cancelled against one of his fighters, that would be perfect excuse to bring someone over from Latvia,W 35 L 2 at short notice, giving the 'short notice' as the excuse.
No chance at all he would bring Molitor over.

seanmichaels wrote:By Shaun Brown
During the recent announcement of Nathan Cleverly’s latest world title defence against Vyacheslav Uzelkov, the champion’s promoter Frank Warren publicly stated that four offers were put forward to Bernard Hopkins, Beibut Shumenov, Carl Froch and bitter rival Tony Bellew to fight the WBO champion.

Cannot read that sentence without cracking up

As Hearn says, I actually feel sorry for Cleverly more than anything...

I would agree that Hearn is the better promoter at the moment. The one thing I would say though is that people have been saying Warren is on the slide for the past 5-6 years, yet he still keeps getting fighters title shots, as well as maintaining a decent stable of fighters across a number of weights.

I personally would also have expected boxnation to have done a setanta by now as well. Apparently they are the fastest growing subscription channel in the UK according to Warren himself on a recent ifilm clip I seen. He also shown a number of emails/correspondence which allegeldy show why Cleverly hasn't fought Hopkins/Froch etc and so on, basically saying it is the other camp's fault.

I would say he did well getting Degale a euro title before Groves though.

It wasn't THAT long ago that Warren was putting together half decent cards, certainly not much worse than those Hearn is offering now. Boxnation though has been as disaster for his stable. Groves, Degale, Cleverly, Saunders, Gavin.... All been stitched up in such a way, totally inward looking, that I couldn't ever imagine Hearn doing the same.