Ongoing NFL discussion thread

by GSC Wed 19 Dec - 22:00

First topic message reminder :

To fill the void of NFL chatter between Tuesday and Sunday.

BLACK MONDAY
Andy Reid, Lovie Smith, Norv Turner, Pat Shurmur, Chan Gailey, Romeo Crennel and Ken Whisenhunt all fired as HCs
Mike Tannenbaum, Gene Smith, Tom Heckert, Rod Graves and A.J Smith fired as GMs

Kansas City hire Andy Reid
Buffalo hire Doug Marrone
Cleveland hire Rob Chudzinski
San Diego hire Mike McCoy
Chicago hire Marc Trestman
Philadelphia hire Chip Kelly
Jacksonville hire Gus Bradley
Arizona hire Bruce Arians

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 4 Mar - 16:48

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
Randy Starks being franchised means, officially now, that OT Jake Long, WR Brian Hartline and CB Sean Smith will be free to hit the market.

by **Derbyblue** Mon 4 Mar - 17:00

Olly wrote:Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
Randy Starks being franchised means, officially now, that OT Jake Long, WR Brian Hartline and CB Sean Smith will be free to hit the market.

Would be quite happy to see either Hartline or Smith in Cleveland, think both could be signed for cheaper than the bigger names this year.

by GSC Mon 4 Mar - 17:09

Sean Smith wants 8m guaranteed a year, good luck with that

Beyond that he was fairly terrible last year

by **Derbyblue** Mon 4 Mar - 17:32

Number-25 wrote:
GSC wrote:Flacco averages 100k more per year than Brees this wont alter Rodgers deal much

It might not, but it should. The problem here is that the Ravens' Superbowl win has skewed Flacco's value. We all know that had more to do with emotional drive the team got from wanting to win it for Ray than it had to do with Flacco. That's the screwed up NFL though - QBs get too much credit for these things. There is no debate about who is the better QB when talking about Rodgers and Flacco. It's not even close. Their wages should reflect that and if Rodgers' agent's opening line in the discussion is anything other than that then he needs to be sacked. Normally I,d agree that the next top QB up for a new deal would get a few dollars more than the last guy but this time it should be different. The Ravens will have annoyed a lot of teams with this deal - guaranteeing so much money to such an inconsistent player raises the bar for everyone.

I wouldn't be so sure, to me it seems like Flacco will be getting restructured within 3 years as apparently his 2016 cap hit would be $29million, unless there's a big increase in the cap he'll be close to a third of their salary bill.

@AlbertBreer
Flacco deal ... 2013: $29M signing bonus (fully guar), $1M base (fully guar); 2014 $15M option bonus (guar for inj), $6M base ...
@AlbertBreer
Flacco deal cont ... 2015: $7M option bonus (guar for inj), $4M base; 2016: $18.2M base; 2017: $20.6M base; 2018: $20M base

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 4 Mar - 17:57

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
#Cowboys are set to release starting safety Gerald Sensabaugh, I'm told.

Cowboys cant find a safety to save there lives

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 4 Mar - 18:58

Jordan Woy ‏@JordanWoy
Dallas Cowboys will franchise tag Anthony Spencer for 2nd year in a row. We will work on long term deal.

by GSC Mon 4 Mar - 19:09

Jason Cole ‏@JasonColeYahoo
So Dallas changes D, but then spends $10.6m to franchise a guy suited to play in the old D? Man, the Cowboys are amazingly consistent.

Sums it up.

by **Derbyblue** Mon 4 Mar - 19:20

@AlbertBreer
Spencer's case also raises an interesting tag issue -- new DC Monte Kiffin plans to use him as a DE. Tag number for DEs is $11.175M.

by NYJ Mon 4 Mar - 19:26

He will only have been tagged so that the two parties have longer to come to a contract agreement without a team like the Eagles whispering in his ear.

by GSC Mon 4 Mar - 20:44

Spencer wouldn't have been an Eagles target. They know firsthand how painfully average he is

by **Derbyblue** Mon 4 Mar - 21:12

Chiefs tag Branden Albert and sign Bowe to a 5 year deal.

by GSC Mon 4 Mar - 21:19

Good luck with that Chiefs. Would not commit a penny to Bowe personally

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 4 Mar - 21:25

Ian Kenyon ‏@IanKenyonNFL
After spending top 15 picks on Dorsey, Poe, and Tyson Jackson in the past 5 drafts, I think the fact that KC may take a DE/DT at #1 is funny

Would be great...

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 4 Mar - 21:31

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
The Patriots decided against using the franchise tag, I'm told. So Vollmer, Welker and Talib will be UFAs if unsigned by 3/12.

Man I hope we get Vollmer signed...

by GSC Mon 4 Mar - 21:32

Albert will play Guard or RT. Joeckel will be the #1 pick. I've had Reid for the last 12 years or so, he won't miss out on a LT.

by **Derbyblue** Mon 4 Mar - 21:42

@willbrinson: Smart of Chiefs to package all these deals together. Less people noticing they just gave their punter $9M guaranteed.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 4 Mar - 21:50

Derbyblue wrote:@willbrinson: Smart of Chiefs to package all these deals together. Less people noticing they just gave their punter $9M guaranteed.

#Puntersarepeopletoo

by NYJ Mon 4 Mar - 21:54

GSC wrote:Spencer wouldn't have been an Eagles target. They know firsthand how painfully average he is

It was an example of a team moving to 3-4 with a lot of cap space. Obviously rushing the passer isn't his strength, but he's a decent enough player.

by GSC Mon 4 Mar - 22:12

In any case, Reid wants a dominant pass blocker at LT. Tra Thomas and Jason Peters. Brandon Albert is not close to that. Sliding him to Guard is a better move for him despite his preference for Tackle.

by GSC Mon 4 Mar - 22:13

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora
NFL confirms 8 players franchised: Byrd (BUF), Melton(CHI), Spencer (DAL), Starks (MIA), Albert(KC), McAfee (IND), Clady(DEN), Johnson (CIN)

Only one I have a problem with is Spencer. Smacks of desperation.

by mikeygnfl Tue 5 Mar - 0:26

GSC wrote:Sean Smith wants 8m guaranteed a year, good luck with that

Beyond that he was fairly terrible last year

I think the Dolphins will let him go but wouldn't be surprised to see Hartline and maybe even Long back in Miami if both sides can agree deals.

by mikeygnfl Tue 5 Mar - 2:40

Dwayne Bowe has signed a new five-year deal to remain with the Chiefs.

Bowe, Alex Smith and Luke Joeckel is a good start for Andy Reid.

by GSC Tue 5 Mar - 15:39

Brian Hartline will remain in Miami

by GSC Tue 5 Mar - 23:18

Shawne Merriman retires.

It was all so good until that roids test

by mikeygnfl Wed 6 Mar - 1:29

GSC wrote:Albert will play Guard or RT. Joeckel will be the #1 pick. I've had Reid for the last 12 years or so, he won't miss out on a LT.

There are reports that suggest Albert could be traded now tagged to help the Chiefs pick up some drafts picks lost in the Alex Smith trade.

by ALPanorak Wed 6 Mar - 9:58

Where do you guys foresee Darrelle Revis going? Still reckon he's a top 3 cornerback going into this season despite the ACL injury. Not a Pats fan (Skins supporter) but I believe New England is the ideal destination for him as their secondary really needs a leader to complete the package....

by NYJ Wed 6 Mar - 10:18

ALPanorak wrote:Where do you guys foresee Darrelle Revis going? Still reckon he's a top 3 cornerback going into this season despite the ACL injury. Not a Pats fan (Skins supporter) but I believe New England is the ideal destination for him as their secondary really needs a leader to complete the package....

There's no chance in hell he is traded to the Pats. I would go on a personal mission to kill Woody Johnson if that happened.

Obviously the 49ers will be interested because they have few holes and a multitude of picks. Broncos are another team I can see taking a look at him. With Peyton Manning, they only have 2 or 3 years left to win the SB. Chris Harris is promising and Champ Bailey isn't quite finished yet, but Revis is a different breed. The Falcons need help in the secondary as Brent Grimes, Dunta Robinson and William Moore are all FA's. The Bucs are looking for a CB too, have plenty of cap room to pay him and have spent big to get players in the past (Vjax, Carl Nicks and Eric Wright).

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 6 Mar - 10:21

Yeah no way Revis is traded to New England would be a riot haha.

Could walk at the end of his contract though, since there is a no franchise tag clause in his contract

by **Derbyblue** Wed 6 Mar - 14:39

ALPanorak wrote:Where do you guys foresee Darrelle Revis going? Still reckon he's a top 3 cornerback going into this season despite the ACL injury. Not a Pats fan (Skins supporter) but I believe New England is the ideal destination for him as their secondary really needs a leader to complete the package....

As others have said I don't see the Jets trading him to Patriots, could only happen if they were offering a crazy deal nobody else's offers were close to. Only the teams with a few holes will be interested as they'll have to give up a fair few picks to secure him, I imagine Denver and San Francisco are interested, maybe Houston or keeping him in New York but going to the Giants?

by GSC Wed 6 Mar - 14:44

Trading him to the Giants would elicit the same reaction as the Patriots

by GSC Wed 6 Mar - 14:48

Throw in Indy as a contender. Happy to get aggressive with picks for CBs, 40m of cap room to play with.

by mikeygnfl Wed 6 Mar - 14:58

GSC wrote:Throw in Indy as a contender. Happy to get aggressive with picks for CBs, 40m of cap room to play with.

You could add the Dolphins on cap space but unlikely the Jets will want him to go to a divisional rival. The 49ers and Falcons seem like the teams most interested. You could also throw the Bengals name into the hat.

by GSC Wed 6 Mar - 15:00

Falcons beat writer is shooting it down

by ALPanorak Wed 6 Mar - 15:00

I know the GM isn't going to want to trade to a divisional rival but the prospect of him leaving for nothing next year might force their hand...
They're reporting today that he is definitely going to be moved - I'm thinking the 49ners are going to come with a serious offer with all their draft picks to tempt the Jets. Jim Harbaugh knows this team is so close to being dominant.
How bad are these Jets going to be next year btw? This rebuilding job isn't like the one the Redskins have/had undertaken - there's no RG3 to build around, no offensive talent and a defensive front which is coming apart. Rex Ryan must be extremely worried...

by **Derbyblue** Wed 6 Mar - 15:01

GSC wrote:Throw in Indy as a contender. Happy to get aggressive with picks for CBs, 40m of cap room to play with.

They've already given up their second rounder for Vontae Davis are they really likely to give up their first too?

by GSC Wed 6 Mar - 15:03

Is there anyone bette than Revis in the first?

by NYJ Wed 6 Mar - 15:07

GSC wrote:Falcons beat writer is shooting it down

No surprise that Manish Mehta is talking Love sacks again. I take everything he writes with a pinch of salt.

ALPanorak wrote:How bad are these Jets going to be next year btw? This rebuilding job isn't like the one the Redskins have/had undertaken - there's no RG3 to build around, no offensive talent and a defensive front which is coming apart. Rex Ryan must be extremely worried...

There's still a lot of players to come in/out that it's too early to say. A decent draft (with two 1st rounders) and we could be an average team with an average QB again.

I don't think we'll have the number 1 pick in the 2014 draft like some have projected. Although it would be nice to draft a franchise QB in Teddy Bridgewater.

by NYJ Wed 6 Mar - 15:08

GSC wrote:Is there anyone bette than Revis in the first?

No way.

by GSC Wed 6 Mar - 15:11

Its in the Jets interest to big up interest, and the Falcons's to shoot down any.

by **Derbyblue** Wed 6 Mar - 15:30

@ProFootballWkly

Per @howardeskin, the #Eagles will release CB Nnamdi Asomugha today.

No probably nobody better than Revis in the first, especially not a CB, but they have more than one need on their team.

by GSC Wed 6 Mar - 15:32

Good luck to whoever signs Nnamdi, don't think he particularly likes football, nor is there much desire there.

by **Derbyblue** Wed 6 Mar - 15:45

@AdamSchefter
Via @mortreport: 49ers' interest in trading for Jets CB Darrelle Revis is ".001 on a scale of 1-10," a source said via text message.

There goes that plan then, well potentially, always a chance it's no true.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 6 Mar - 15:51

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
I'm told, as of right now, the Eagles are not planning to release Nnamdi Asomugha today.

by ALPanorak Wed 6 Mar - 15:53

Obviously age is a factor but i don't know why he (Nnamdi) was such a failure in Philly so maybe you're right GSC

by GSC Wed 6 Mar - 21:02

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/06/dont-rule-out-an-asomugha-trade/

...this would explain why they're taking so long to dump him. Would be a 7th like Asante, but saves us cash

by NYJ Thu 7 Mar - 10:48

Chiefs cut starting RT Eric Winston. Another spanner in the works for draft analysts.

EDIT: Oh, and Branden Albert tweeted that he's not moving to RT then deleted his twitter account. What the hell is going on?

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 7 Mar - 15:43

Seahawks, Jets, Dolphins and Giants after Charles Woodson

by GSC Thu 7 Mar - 16:37

Eagles have contacted Eric Winstons agent about a possible deal.

by cherriesfna Thu 7 Mar - 16:49

Olly wrote:Seahawks, Jets, Dolphins and Giants after Charles Woodson

We surly have to be favourite if he wants to join a contender, image Sherman browner Woodson chancellor and Thomas in the backfield

by GSC Thu 7 Mar - 16:51

Woodson isnt particularly good anymore.

Nonetheless, I think he's more likely to wait and see what NE do with the secondary, if they don't get Reed thats the best fit. Which is probably why this report references the Jets and Dolphins

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