England Injury Update

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http://www.rfu.com/news/2013/january/news-articles/230113_injury_update


Corbs having minor surgery today.
Burns has an MCL injury and not in contention for opening weekend.
Tuilagi making progress, but doubts over whether he will recover in time.
Billy V sitting out training this week with an ankle injury.
Tom Johnson out of 6Ns
Alex Goode has trained and will be released for Sarries LV game to get match practice.


Not on this update was Calum Clark who has had surgery and is out of 6Ns according to BBC.

formerly known as Sam wrote:

Whats Mr Joel Tompkins like as a 13 I haven't caught one of his games yet.

Good defensively but not a defensive player. He's an RL convert so quick, strong, direct with a decent offload. A good all round 13 with potential for more.

Without being nasty he's one of these players that's totally forgettable. Does his job thoroughly but quietly and doesn't steal much headline space from the other players around him. In fact i'm struggling to remember any contributions from him, which is odd as I know he's rated by a lot of pundits and fans.

yappysnap wrote:

formerly known as Sam wrote:

Whats Mr Joel Tompkins like as a 13 I haven't caught one of his games yet.

Good defensively but not a defensive player. He's an RL convert so quick, strong, direct with a decent offload. A good all round 13 with potential for more.

Without being nasty he's one of these players that's totally forgettable. Does his job thoroughly but quietly and doesn't steal much headline space from the other players around him. In fact i'm struggling to remember any contributions from him, which is odd as I know he's rated by a lot of pundits and fans.

In his defence and as a fellow Quins fan, a bit like Lowe in some respects then

Yup but obviously as a Quins fan i'd say that Lowe was better

He is rather a lot like Lowe. I'd say he offers a bit more ball in hand though. Sarries rend to play by the numbers so maybe we'll see a bit more flair in these two Saxons games.

I wouldnt say tomkins was quick, there are plenty of quicker centres. his game is more about drawing the man and getting his hands free in contact for the offload.

good guy to play outside of, completely diffrent option to tuilagi anyway.

Do the Saxons have another game to play in this tournament?

Looking at that injury list,England shouldn't be hurt to much.
With the overseas stars out injured it's a great chance for Lancaster to blood some young home grown talent.

Ollie Kohn.

Has a Welsh Grand father.

Vinupola played his first rugby in Wales.

Dylan Hartley, Riki Flutey, Thomas Waldrom, Shontayne Hape, Big Les...

Morgannwg wrote:Dylan Hartley, Riki Flutey, Thomas Waldrom, Shontayne Hape, Big Les...

They may not of been born in England, but they did play their rugby in England.

And?

Cue cries of grannygate and a list of all the welsh players born in England and overseas, endless Holly Wilaboobie for tat and Morg chalks off another dead thread

lostinwales wrote:Cue cries of grannygate and a list of all the welsh players born in England and overseas, endless Holly Wilaboobie for tat and Morg chalks off another dead thread

It's important that morg is proved right. Each day is not a success unless he has won the Internet.

Trying to drag this back on topic:


While he was very unlikely to feature in the 6Ns, Tom Croft was still in the EPS. Sadly his comeback took a turn for the worse yesterday when he was removed after only 10 minutes against Wasps following "a bang on the back". No idea how serious this is, but worrying.

I also note that Sarries match was posponed, so Alex Goode was unable to demonstrate a return to fitness following a month out with his shoulder injury.

how serious is this injury to tuilagi, I mean how much of the 6n could he potentially miss?

Cyril on 606v2 wrote:

lostinwales wrote:Cue cries of grannygate and a list of all the welsh players born in England and overseas, endless Holly Wilaboobie for tat and Morg chalks off another dead thread

It's important that morg is proved right. Each day is not a success unless he has won the Internet.

Haha! Rich coming from you Mr stalk maestegmafia, challenge him to duels and get yourself banned! That's right, BANNED. You lost! Loser. Banned!

And now cue C-divvy running to the mods like a little baby, complain complain. Morg said I got banned bla bla. C-divvy, the serial complainer!

welshy6 wrote:how serious is this injury to tuilagi, I mean how much of the 6n could he potentially miss?

It's an ankle injury and he's currently 50/50 for the Scotland game. If he's 50/50 for that, I say he should be fine for the other 4 games as long as he doesn't have any setbacks.

Charvis, cockbain, Luscombe, Kohn, Falateu, North, Horsman. Pot kettle black. Why do so many welshman have such chips on their shoulder that they revert to slating Engand at every opportunity but end up making themsleves look dull as coal dust?

Oh in light of Wuss getting smashed we're back to this? Okay. Botha, Barritt, Big Les, Hape, Flutey, Stevens, Hartley, Vunipola, Vulipola, Waldrom. Yes please I would love some CHIPS with my England POACHED XV . BTW I still don't understand why you english are so keen to keep pencilling in North into these spats, do some research. And Kohn, who is just in the training squad thus far...

So sad........

Chips?

Morgannwg wrote:Oh in light of Wuss getting smashed we're back to this? Okay. Botha, Barritt, Big Les, Hape, Flutey, Stevens, Hartley, Vunipola, Vulipola, Waldrom. Yes please I would love some CHIPS with my England POACHED XV . BTW I still don't understand why you english are so keen to keep pencilling in North into these spats, do some research. And Kohn, who is just in the training squad thus far...

England haven't broke any rules, so wind your jealous neck in.

Ignore the troll people! This thread isn't about nationality or any of that Poopie!

Crofts injury is reported to be fairly minor and he should be fine for next weekend I believe, still don't expect to see him in the 6N's though, he should get plenty of time on the summer tour.

Manu's injury again shouldn't be too bad, I guess it's more just making sure he doesn't make it worse then anything else.

yappysnap wrote:Ignore the troll people! This thread isn't about nationality or any of that Poopie!

Crofts injury is reported to be fairly minor and he should be fine for next weekend I believe, still don't expect to see him in the 6N's though, he should get plenty of time on the summer tour.

Manu's injury again shouldn't be too bad, I guess it's more just making sure he doesn't make it worse then anything else.

And which troll? You need to be more specific. Or does being English and a troll automatically not make you a troll? Keen to dish it out as always but cry when it comes back your way. Pathetic bunch of people.

Hope Croft isn't too bad though. He's had a tough time with the injuries throughout his career.

Fingers crossed we maybe able to field our first/strongest side out with the backups fit as well

And Croft hasnt had a tough time with injuries until now - but this time it was almost as bad as could be and he's lucky to be walking let alone playing rugby again.

Is this fella arguing with himself now?? Mental

2010 and he's had plenty more - really unlucky with injuries

England's Tom Croft suffers Six Nations injury blow

Croft has injured the medial ligament in his left knee


England flanker Tom Croft will miss at least the first two games of the Six Nations after injuring his left knee for the second time this season.

The blind-side suffered medial knee ligament damage in Leicester's Heineken Cup win over Viadana on Saturday.

He will miss England's games against Wales and Italy.

The Rugby Football Union say he has started his rehabilitation programme with a view to returning to action in five to six weeks.

formerly known as Sam wrote:He is rather a lot like Lowe. I'd say he offers a bit more ball in hand though. Sarries rend to play by the numbers so maybe we'll see a bit more flair in these two Saxons games.

I've not seen enough of Tompkins to have a strong view yet, but I do think people (even regular Quins-watchers) underestimate what Lowe does ball in hand, in part because he does it with so little fuss. IIRC, he's one of the fastest players in the Quins senior squad, but his real strength is his choice of line and the timing of his runs. There are very few EQPs who are better at turning a half gap into a break. For an OC, he has a very high scoring rate, too. A couple of seasons ago he was one if the top 3 try scorers in the AP in any position.

The big question mark over Lowe for me is whether he's big enough to play OC at international level. His defensive positioning and work rate are good, but not sure how he'd cope with a modern international backline running at him.

Morgannwg wrote:Oh in light of Wuss getting smashed we're back to this? Okay. Botha, Barritt, Big Les, Hape, Flutey, Stevens, Hartley, Vunipola, Vulipola, Waldrom. Yes please I would love some CHIPS with my England POACHED XV . BTW I still don't understand why you english are so keen to keep pencilling in North into these spats, do some research. And Kohn, who is just in the training squad thus far...

Well you included both Vunipolas, one of whom is also only in the training squad so far.

On Lowe - he's the same size as O'Driscoll. That's not to say he'd have anything like the same impact, but his defensive position and technique are both good enough to make up for not being Tuilagi shaped.

Hi is big though, even more handily he seems to have a pretty lowe centre of gravity too (i'll get my coat).

It is pretty frustrating that he's had three good seasons and only just started to be in and around the Saxons while Joseph can have a few months of playing outstandingly on the wing and is rushed straight in to the EPS.

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Is this fella arguing with himself now?? Mental

The main thing I've noticed with you. When you get yourself involved in spats you never become less boring or funny. Just trying to help you out here btw.

thomh wrote:

Morgannwg wrote:Oh in light of Wuss getting smashed we're back to this? Okay. Botha, Barritt, Big Les, Hape, Flutey, Stevens, Hartley, Vunipola, Vulipola, Waldrom. Yes please I would love some CHIPS with my England POACHED XV . BTW I still don't understand why you english are so keen to keep pencilling in North into these spats, do some research. And Kohn, who is just in the training squad thus far...

Well you included both Vunipolas, one of whom is also only in the training squad so far.

Oh really? Well that shows how silly I am then.

Anything positive to contribute to the thread?

I'm just hoping we don't bring in any of the returning playing in or the Italy game, as we can't afford to dismiss them and change the team just to give them a game.

We need to treat every game as a battle and put our strongest out every game!

Mods, ban this guy. He hasn't anything to contribute to this forum other than Wee weeing everyone off.

Nathan crying again and telling the mods to ban people. Not unheard of. Perhaps a 'mod' should have a word with this baby.

KK, I did wish Croft well. I think he's a good player. But, I also think you're covered in the back-row (but that's with me not knowing if Wood is available?). Tuilagi would be a loss. Say he misses the 6 Nations do you think you have a good player to step in?

Wee weeing

40 players, yep 40!
thats how many non British lads England have capped since the game went pro.

That number doesn't include the few Welsh men they pinched or banahan from Jersey etc..
40 overseas players

Careful View, there are a couple of serial complainers that can't handle the truth. They cry to the mods, literally, as you can see if you scroll up a little bit.

guys what does the number of overseas players have to do with the current injury status of the squad?

I give that stat because i said earlier that the current injuries will give some home grown players a chance, every cloud has a silver lining etc..
But then i was told that England don't need overseas players.

Hence my FACT was delivered in the number 40.

Thats all,just backing up what i said.

Morgannwg wrote:Careful View, there are a couple of serial complainers that can't handle the truth. They cry to the mods, literally, as you can see if you scroll up a little bit.

I hope not Morg, the point of a debate forum is to talk over and back u what you say or dispute! not run to the mods because someone seems to have been right. At least your a realist morg

viewtothegym wrote:40 players, yep 40!
thats how many non British lads England have capped since the game went pro.

That number doesn't include the few Welsh men they pinched or banahan from Jersey etc..
40 overseas players

We have a source for that, do we dear boy?

Duty281 wrote:

viewtothegym wrote:40 players, yep 40!
thats how many non British lads England have capped since the game went pro.

That number doesn't include the few Welsh men they pinched or banahan from Jersey etc..
40 overseas players

We have a source for that, do we dear boy?

Yes it's called research. do your own and the truth will set you free

viewtothegym wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

viewtothegym wrote:40 players, yep 40!
thats how many non British lads England have capped since the game went pro.

That number doesn't include the few Welsh men they pinched or banahan from Jersey etc..
40 overseas players

We have a source for that, do we dear boy?

Yes it's called research. do your own and the truth will set you free

In other words, no.

viewtothegym wrote:

Morgannwg wrote:Careful View, there are a couple of serial complainers that can't handle the truth. They cry to the mods, literally, as you can see if you scroll up a little bit.

I hope not Morg, the point of a debate forum is to talk over and back u what you say or dispute! not run to the mods because someone seems to have been right. At least your a realist morg

View, I know. We're both realists and real rugby men.