Peterson vs Holt (spoilers)

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Decent fight this one and a good comeback win for Peterson. He just walked through Holt who had no answer for the pressure being applied.

PEDs can do that for you.

Yep, funny how Peterson gets away with taking synthetic testosterone but largely gets away with it seemingly because he seems like a nice humble guy. Still the IBF champion. Now back in the mix with the top LWWs. The PEDs paid off for him.

Union Cane wrote:PEDs can do that for you.

To be fair the cheater was not on PEDs for this fight. But perhaps the continuous use of them has had its desired effect.

Typical stuff from Holt. Can't dominate them with power shots early and gets walked down, sapped and beat. I get the feeling if he'd been taught to be a more pure boxer he could've been something more impressive.

If Peterson wasn't on PEDs then that was pretty impressive from him. Smart pressure fighting and correct tactics.

Apparently they had strict drug testing. But how long prior to the training did he stop using them. Personally I believe he should be banned for life.

azania wrote:Apparently they had strict drug testing. But how long prior to the training did he stop using them. Personally I believe he should be banned for life.

He shouldnt be banned. He was taking synthetic testosterone MEDICALLY, his downfall was his team didnt declare it, had they done that it wouldnt have been an issue. Anyway didnt they do tests afterwards to prove the amount he was using would have no affect on his performance? hence why he was allowed to keep the IBF belt

Great win for Lamont and I see some of you are still hurting due to his win over Khan lol, once Garcia puts Judah into retirement we will have a unification between Garcia and Peterson hopefully.

i think he has paid for the PED bad press, apparently he got paid peanuts for this fight

no-mas wrote:

azania wrote:Apparently they had strict drug testing. But how long prior to the training did he stop using them. Personally I believe he should be banned for life.

He shouldnt be banned. He was taking synthetic testosterone MEDICALLY, his downfall was his team didnt declare it, had they done that it wouldnt have been an issue. Anyway didnt they do tests afterwards to prove the amount he was using would have no affect on his performance? hence why he was allowed to keep the IBF belt

An innocent error? Sorry but I don't buy that. That would be the first thing to declare. In athletics I support a two year ban. But boxing is slightly more dangerous. Fighters put their lives at risk and drugs makes it mmore dangerous. Ban them and charge them for attempted manslaughter.

The IBF did their test and it showed it has no beneficial effect. But that was way after he was found to have taken it. Who knows what level it was prior to the fight and how long he was juicing. Ban the druggie.

I do enjoy reading people try and make excuses for drug cheats.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:Great win for Lamont and I see some of you are still hurting due to his win over Khan lol, once Garcia puts Judah into retirement we will have a unification between Garcia and Peterson hopefully.

SO your dislike for Khan makes you want a known juicer to profit over him. Are you a boxing fan? Juicers should never prosper.

eddyfightfan wrote:i think he has paid for the PED bad press, apparently he got paid peanuts for this fight

He's lucky he got paid.

I've asked this before. What if a juicer kills an opponent. What happens? Charges of manslaughter or knowing boxing, brush it under the carpet.

azania wrote:

eddyfightfan wrote:i think he has paid for the PED bad press, apparently he got paid peanuts for this fight

He's lucky he got paid.

I've asked this before. What if a juicer kills an opponent. What happens? Charges of manslaughter or knowing boxing, brush it under the carpet.

Wasn't it like 35K between both fighters?

BoxingFan88 wrote:

azania wrote:

eddyfightfan wrote:i think he has paid for the PED bad press, apparently he got paid peanuts for this fight

He's lucky he got paid.

I've asked this before. What if a juicer kills an opponent. What happens? Charges of manslaughter or knowing boxing, brush it under the carpet.

Wasn't it like 35K between both fighters?

If he was banned he wouldn't have got that.

Regarding the Peterson failed drug test, were his testosterone levels elevated beyond natural levels, or was it the presence of synthetic testosterone in his blood that led to the failed blood test?

Both.

His levels were normal but VADA run tests for synthetic testosterone regardless and that's where he failed, under the drug testing rules of the commissions and governing bodies he wouldn't have failed. Suggests to me it wasn't a one off occurrence.

Seems ridiculous that he didn't disclose the fact he was undergoing testosterone treatment. Should have been banned for both the failed blood test and the stupidity of his actions.

I was under the impression that his levels were in excess of the 4:1 permitted and that he was on artificial TT.

Him not declaring it even though he had a pellett in his hip suggest to me that they thought they would fly under the rader. Didn't Conti refer to it as slow juicing or something along those lines? Just take enough to fly under the radar but enough to have an effect.

Depends on what his normal testosterone levels are as well, if they're not low enough then the treatment wouldn't be permitted, all suggests they tried to con the system.

I imagine they were low enough to require the treatment. I wouldn't want to call into question the credibility of the doctor who authorized the procedure.

But I'm a lot more skeptical about PED's in boxing than before. With the Gamboa revelations and Rigo working with Heredia, Donaire with Conte, there is little that would surprise me these days.

I wouldn't question people working with Conti et al. They were caught and went to prison for it. Hardly liely to do it again.

Wasn't a doctor per se GB, a quack clinic. His testosterone limit was above the acceptable levels and I believe it was referred to a micro doping where a small supply is given consistently allowing the fighter to train harder without suffering from overtraining (which causes a dramatic drop in testosterone levels) and leaves the fighter feeling weak.

azania wrote:I was under the impression that his levels were in excess of the 4:1 permitted and that he was on artificial TT.

Him not declaring it even though he had a pellett in his hip suggest to me that they thought they would fly under the rader. Didn't Conti refer to it as slow juicing or something along those lines? Just take enough to fly under the radar but enough to have an effect.

From what I remember he wasn't on TRT from a normal GP but some synthetic herbal version prescribed to him by some new age therapist in California and his level was something like point 3 over or under. He didn't declare it & like you say I think they thought they could fly under the radar as the wada tests I don't think would have picked up on it but vada's did. I think Conti did say something to that effect. I don't buy there story. What makes things worse imo opinion is that all athletes seem to be able to get TRT in the states now & as long as they declare it & they don't exceed 4:1 or 6:1 in Nevada then its ok. UFC's Dana White has spoken out recently about saying guys can really abuse it out of fight camp & taper it off during fight camp to get it to within legal levels as this is when the testing is done. He wants all year round 24/7 testing brought in as he feels thats the only way to catch people out.

I don't understand why people still work with Conte and others of his ilk. They have been discredited as cheats previously. That stigma will follow them for the rest of their careers, no matter how much they have appeared to have turned over a new leaf. Leopard can't change it's spots and all that.

ShahenshahG wrote:Wasn't a doctor per se GB, a quack clinic. His testosterone limit was above the acceptable levels and I believe it was referred to a micro doping where a small supply is given consistently allowing the fighter to train harder without suffering from overtraining (which causes a dramatic drop in testosterone levels) and leaves the fighter feeling weak.

I know next to nothing about the case, and as a glass half full sort of person, I hoped that unnecessary medical procedures were not performed unnecessarily...

6oldenbhoy wrote:I don't understand why people still work with Conte and others of his ilk. They have been discredited as cheats previously. That stigma will follow them for the rest of their careers, no matter how much they have appeared to have turned over a new leaf. Leopard can't change it's spots and all that.

Because he's one of the top guys in his field & as somebody pointed out he went to prison and is unlikely to do the same again. Like you say the stigma that is with these guys means they will be watched & checked over pretty thoroughly. At present they don't appear to be working with illegal substances but there's always the possibility that the powers that be could ban what they are using. Conti though is an extremely knowledgeable guy & its not just about giving athletes PED's with him.

sohotnot wrote:

6oldenbhoy wrote:I don't understand why people still work with Conte and others of his ilk. They have been discredited as cheats previously. That stigma will follow them for the rest of their careers, no matter how much they have appeared to have turned over a new leaf. Leopard can't change it's spots and all that.

Because he's one of the top guys in his field & as somebody pointed out he went to prison and is unlikely to do the same again. Like you say the stigma that is with these guys means they will be watched & checked over pretty thoroughly. At present they don't appear to be working with illegal substances but there's always the possibility that the powers that be could ban what they are using. Conti though is an extremely knowledgeable guy & its not just about giving athletes PED's with him.

I'm not disputing that Conte is extremely knowledgeable in his field, but he will always be synonymous with the BALCO scandal. Why put yourself under that scrutiny by working with him? He's certainly a leader in his field, but there must be others who are just as knowledgeable but far more credible. Similarly, I doubt many athletes would want to work with Trevor Graham after the scandal broke, guilt by association etc.

Well working with him means you will be scrutinised and doubled checked. Conte is now clean. Talk a lot of carp though.

Didn't Mosley admit to using steriods? Haven't seen many people call for him to be banned.

6oldenbhoy wrote:

sohotnot wrote:

6oldenbhoy wrote:I don't understand why people still work with Conte and others of his ilk. They have been discredited as cheats previously. That stigma will follow them for the rest of their careers, no matter how much they have appeared to have turned over a new leaf. Leopard can't change it's spots and all that.

Because he's one of the top guys in his field & as somebody pointed out he went to prison and is unlikely to do the same again. Like you say the stigma that is with these guys means they will be watched & checked over pretty thoroughly. At present they don't appear to be working with illegal substances but there's always the possibility that the powers that be could ban what they are using. Conti though is an extremely knowledgeable guy & its not just about giving athletes PED's with him.

I'm not disputing that Conte is extremely knowledgeable in his field, but he will always be synonymous with the BALCO scandal. Why put yourself under that scrutiny by working with him? He's certainly a leader in his field, but there must be others who are just as knowledgeable but far more credible. Similarly, I doubt many athletes would want to work with Trevor Graham after the scandal broke, guilt by association etc.

Maybe, maybe not. We don't hear of that many people in his field queuing up to do the work he does. He was pretty much the top man at Balco & a one of the top at vada. I have heard him in interviews & the guy is a so knowledgeable & passionate it almost beggars belief. Trevor Graham is an athletics coach who used to buy from Balco rather than a biochemist.

hampo171 wrote:Didn't Mosley admit to using steriods? Haven't seen many people call for him to be banned.

Mosley admitted it a few years after he'd used them. Still he never failed a test back then or since so we will never really know the full extent of his use so me must except he has been clean since until proven otherwise.

Mosley admitted to being on EPO for the first ODLH fight. Peterson was on testosterone implants, slowly releasing over a 6month period. His defence was that he had the testosterone levels of a 12 year old girl. So if it was medically required does that mean he's doing it now?

Chances are if he is still doing it now he will have gained an exception through the governing bodies. Would never have been an issue if he'd done this in the first place but we'll never know. Does anyone if know if VADA did the testing for this fight?