C5 quits boxing

C5 just confirmed on twitter that they've pulled out of boxing coverage.

No idea what this means for degale, eubank jr and fury. Can't believe they dropped what I thought was their biggest audience puller.

Crazy decision. Another nail in the coffin for boxing as a mainstream sport. Perhaps Warren is onto a winner with Box Nation.

Interestingly I saw this thanks to a Frank Warren retweet, wonder if the sly old dog has something planned....?

oh well that sucks balls.

azania wrote:Crazy decision. Another nail in the coffin for boxing as a mainstream sport. Perhaps Warren is onto a winner with Box Nation.

Personally I blame Fury. He's such a chinless wonder that it's no wonder C5 have backed out...

Now boys and girls, imagine if it was Price and we'd be hearing some garbage from Az about some make believe story.

But on a sensible note is a shame. Old enough to remember the good ol' days when you could watch the likes of Benn, Eubank, Audley... no wait scratch the last name.. and co on terrestrial.

And it's no wonder Boxnation looks amateur - it is. After you take away the lack of shows he puts on that make money, the lack of big fights he's left with a £200 camera from Argos to film Buncey talking absolute crap on!

Well maybe fat mic will show the Fury fight on the PPV website that showed Froch vs Taylor.

DeGale, Fury etc need to leg it from fat Mick now

Silly silly boy Gee.

Now do I get rid of ESPN or go Box Nation? I like UFC and get ESPN for that. I get boxing on Sky and on my laptop. I still don't like the idea of paying for a subscription boxing channel. How many repeats can I take? It will kill boxing.

With bt taking over espn I think I'm going to redeploy to boxnation

azania wrote:

Silly silly boy Gee.

Now do I get rid of ESPN or go Box Nation? I like UFC and get ESPN for that. I get boxing on Sky and on my laptop. I still don't like the idea of paying for a subscription boxing channel. How many repeats can I take? It will kill boxing.

You know I was only playing Mr Azania.

Personally I would just get rid of both, you can quite easily get what ever you want online anyway. And you can also stream boxing.

Ba-dum.

But for me £10 a month doesn't cover what I'd want to see, and with Sky I can watch rugby.. football.. cricket.. tennis.. thai ping pong involving girlssss, no, no wait... that's online as well.

Frank Warren has tried his best to undermatch fighters for his own benefit, it doesn't strike me like he's going to try and change the face of UK boxing with Boxnation. He's not a GBP who will match good fighters against good opposition for instance.

az likes UFC????

This is a shame really just as the careers of Eubanks jnr and Fury were getting some limelight. Anyway PLUCK ch 5.

Gee can remember the good old days watching Benn and Eubanks. Well I can remember the good old days watching TYSON in the early hours on ITV, Elton John's ''Saturday nights alright for fighting'' opening the show. Those were the good old days.

SAD SAD SAD.

Yep. Saw GSP dry hump Nick Diaz for 25 minutes on saturday/sunday.

Thank goodness for the guru of boxing whoever that is.

That's pants... BoxNation will be licking there chops at having Degale and Fury and Eubank and co. back. Sure Degale's thrilled, he may move to Matchroom, I suspect, he wasn't overly keen on Boxnation I don't think.

azania wrote:Yep. Saw GSP dry hump Nick Diaz for 25 minutes on saturday/sunday.

Yeah but did you appreciate the skill involved??????????

Just a gentle reminder that the sites position on streaming has not changed any. Have noticed over the last couple of days a number of posters seem intent on testing the fence so to speak. When I get bored of either posting stuff like this or deleting posts and start handing out the bans again don't start whining again because you have been told on more than one occasion.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

azania wrote:Yep. Saw GSP dry hump Nick Diaz for 25 minutes on saturday/sunday.

Yeah but did you appreciate the skill involved??????????

It says a fair bit when a WWF wrestler, who's had years out of his supposed wrestling background, has an immediate impact.

And no, punching someone on their back isn't skilled - it lacks action and some more. Dare anyone to give me the greatest round in their history and I/we could offer 100 more from boxing in the last year alone.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

azania wrote:Yep. Saw GSP dry hump Nick Diaz for 25 minutes on saturday/sunday.

Yeah but did you appreciate the skill involved??????????

GSP is brilliant. For a karate expert to dominate wrestlers, muay thai and all manner of fighters with superior wrestling is nothing short of phenomenal. I reckon his KO loss to Matt Serra taught him to take the safer option always. If he moves up to MW, Silva will hand him his rear end. His stand up is crap.

The previous match with Condit and whathisname was terrific.

Gee wrote:

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

azania wrote:Yep. Saw GSP dry hump Nick Diaz for 25 minutes on saturday/sunday.

Yeah but did you appreciate the skill involved??????????

It says a fair bit when a WWF wrestler, who's had years out of his supposed wrestling background, has an immediate impact.

And no, punching someone on their back isn't skilled - it lacks action and some more. Dare anyone to give me the greatest round in their history and I/we could offer 100 more from boxing in the last year alone.

Doesn't mean that there isn't a tremendous amount of skill involved.

Gee

I'm not the fan of UFC I used to be but the skill level the top guys possess is incredible; GSP and Silva are the standouts now while a few years back there was Hughes and Couture, the master of them all Gracie had an insane level of ability (he was the runt and weakest member of the family).

I wouldn't want to pick an argument with any Gracie seeing as Royce was the runt as you say. He brutalised several men who outweighed him by 100lbs. Incredible guy. They even named a style of BJJ after them.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Gee

I'm not the fan of UFC I used to be but the skill level the top guys possess is incredible; GSP and Silva are the standouts now while a few years back there was Hughes and Couture, the master of them all Gracie had an insane level of ability (he was the runt and weakest member of the family).

It's not my thing, hence why I like boxing and boxing only. Just don't get how one guy laying on top of the other in some sort of missionary position kinda hold is skillful. I understand you think otherwise and respect that way of thinking, some people think bowls takes more skill than tenpin bowling etc.

What made me smile about the shambles of the Toney "fight" was that he doesn't appear to have been handed the opportunity to knock the guy out quicker than he was.

But anyway, C5 quits boxing...

Back to the topic on hand......

They have their reason I suppose, if they were doing that well they wouldn't drop it. Live events cost a fortune to cover.

It is not a question of thinking otherwise. It is a fact that there is a high degree of skill involved. One false or wrong move could result in a broken arm, ankle, knee or being choked out.

Gee wrote:But anyway, C5 quits boxing...

Back to the topic on hand......

They have their reason I suppose, if they were doing that well they wouldn't drop it. Live events cost a fortune to cover.

If they get good figures, then charge more for adverts. Benn and co used to pull in 15m viewers.

benn and co. were fighting people that others had heard of like Watson and Eubank and massively hyped up events like against McLellan etc. plus they were fighting world class opposition, Fury and Degale etc. haven't done that yet and plus them fights have had next to no build up to them because CH5 are pretty poor at pushing those kinds of things it appears.

As for UFC, there's a massive deal of skill and I tune in every now and then, and sometimes I have been quite entertained, others are droll and literally its just guys rolling around ontop of each other. I like watching Dan hardy(?) I think it is, he's generally a standup fighter and is usually involved in exciting fights.

Was Sky around when Benn etc were fighting on terrestrial?

Never had Sky growing up so have no idea, I was only around 6-10 years old when Benn was at his peak and never got to watch him on tele.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Was Sky around when Benn etc were fighting on terrestrial?

Never had Sky growing up so have no idea, I was only around 6-10 years old when Benn was at his peak and never got to watch him on tele.

Not when he was at his peak, Sky signed them up but that was when they were coming to the tail end of there careers getting beat up by Calzaghe etc.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Was Sky around when Benn etc were fighting on terrestrial?

Never had Sky growing up so have no idea, I was only around 6-10 years old when Benn was at his peak and never got to watch him on tele.

Yeah mate, Sky was about in the late 1980's/Early 1990's when Eubank and Benn were about. I think Sky showed the Bruno/Tyson fights along with the Lewis/Bruno fight? I could be wrong though.

Just a thought... don't Channel 5 have a stake in Primetime?

If they are completely quitting boxing, maybe they should take that crummy station away with them.

Desmond owns both C5, Primetime (and the Express) from memory.

The plan appeared to be to use CH5 as a feeder channel then when Fury etc. got big enough or got a Klit then they would go onto Primetime and make some decent money. However, they must think it's pointless as I think it's patently obvious Fury is going to avoid a Klit like the plague and his last fight was a stinker. Must think it's just not worth it for them.

Adam D wrote:Desmond owns both C5, Primetime (and the Express) from memory.

and to think...he just used to own that Barber's shop.

AlexHuckerby wrote:benn and co. were fighting people that others had heard of like Watson and Eubank and massively hyped up events like against McLellan etc. plus they were fighting world class opposition, Fury and Degale etc. haven't done that yet and plus them fights have had next to no build up to them because CH5 are pretty poor at pushing those kinds of things it appears.

I can't fully agree with this. Eubank, Benn and Watson were doing very well in the UK fighting each other. Collins saw what was going on and hot footed his way to Britain to make some easy money.

The best fighters in the world were definitely not fighting British or Irish fighters . There was the exception of Mike McCallum handing out a couple of beating.


On the topic of C5 I am wondering if the fights were getting too expensive, too rich for C5's blood. Maybe they think Fury and co can develop into PPV fighters on Primetime.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Was Sky around when Benn etc were fighting on terrestrial?

Never had Sky growing up so have no idea, I was only around 6-10 years old when Benn was at his peak and never got to watch him on tele.

It was Eubank that defected to Sky and started this rot- Sky offered him a ridiculous £10million for 10 defences over something like 2 years- this resulted in; 1. A series of mostly poor 12 round Eubank defences. 2 Eubank burining himself out. 3. A precedent being set for the likes of Hatton fightingSky, and the death of the sport as part of the mainstream.
I don't hold it against Eubank- he was in the sport to make money, but Sky has been poor for the sport in general.

BT are about to unveil their new sports channel in the next couple of months (with a tie in with espn possibly?). I wonder if they will get involved. There will be plenty of gaps in the scheduling at the mo as I believe so far they have only picked up 38 premiership games, a range of italian amd brazilian games, rugby and womens tennis.

Strongback wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:benn and co. were fighting people that others had heard of like Watson and Eubank and massively hyped up events like against McLellan etc. plus they were fighting world class opposition, Fury and Degale etc. haven't done that yet and plus them fights have had next to no build up to them because CH5 are pretty poor at pushing those kinds of things it appears.

I can't fully agree with this. Eubank, Benn and Watson were doing very well in the UK fighting each other. Collins saw what was going on and hot footed his way to Britain to make some easy money.

The best fighters in the world were definitely not fighting British or Irish fighters . There was the exception of Mike McCallum handing out a couple of beating.


On the topic of C5 I am wondering if the fights were getting too expensive, too rich for C5's blood. Maybe they think Fury and co can develop into PPV fighters on Primetime.

I don't see what you have disagreed with me on there...

School Project wrote:Just a thought... don't Channel 5 have a stake in Primetime?

If they are completely quitting boxing, maybe they should take that crummy station away with them.

NOOO. It's the only channel edgy enough to bring in the appreciable wonder of Ronald Mcintosh. It must survive.


Don't know if you've all already seen this or not? https://twitter.com/BoxingNewsED/status/314033101934317568

Apparently Channel 5 are still in talks about showing Fury v Cunningham.

Also:

peter fury. ‏@peterfury 9h
@v2Journal @tyson_fury as far as we're concerned. All as normal and training hard for our fight.

AlexHuckerby wrote:

Strongback wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:benn and co. were fighting people that others had heard of like Watson and Eubank and massively hyped up events like against McLellan etc. plus they were fighting world class opposition, Fury and Degale etc. haven't done that yet and plus them fights have had next to no build up to them because CH5 are pretty poor at pushing those kinds of things it appears.

I can't fully agree with this. Eubank, Benn and Watson were doing very well in the UK fighting each other. Collins saw what was going on and hot footed his way to Britain to make some easy money.

The best fighters in the world were definitely not fighting British or Irish fighters . There was the exception of Mike McCallum handing out a couple of beating.


On the topic of C5 I am wondering if the fights were getting too expensive, too rich for C5's blood. Maybe they think Fury and co can develop into PPV fighters on Primetime.

I don't see what you have disagreed with me on there...

They didn't fight the best and often did not fight world class opponents especially Eubank.

Eubank never faced a true worlds best opponent in his career until Calzaghe. None of them fought the real world class fighters except the two loop sided losses to McCallum. There was no James Toney, Roy Jones Jr, Bernard Hopkins etc etc.

Gee wrote:some people think bowls takes more skill than tenpin bowling etc.

I reckon it does. Made a poll though to decide it once and for all. This is important.

https://www.606v2.com/t42065-which-requires-the-most-skill-bowls-or-bowling

Strongback wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:

Strongback wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:benn and co. were fighting people that others had heard of like Watson and Eubank and massively hyped up events like against McLellan etc. plus they were fighting world class opposition, Fury and Degale etc. haven't done that yet and plus them fights have had next to no build up to them because CH5 are pretty poor at pushing those kinds of things it appears.

I can't fully agree with this. Eubank, Benn and Watson were doing very well in the UK fighting each other. Collins saw what was going on and hot footed his way to Britain to make some easy money.

The best fighters in the world were definitely not fighting British or Irish fighters . There was the exception of Mike McCallum handing out a couple of beating.


On the topic of C5 I am wondering if the fights were getting too expensive, too rich for C5's blood. Maybe they think Fury and co can develop into PPV fighters on Primetime.

I don't see what you have disagreed with me on there...

They didn't fight the best and often did not fight world class opponents especially Eubank.

Eubank never faced a true worlds best opponent in his career until Calzaghe. None of them fought the real world class fighters except the two loop sided losses to McCallum. There was no James Toney, Roy Jones Jr, Bernard Hopkins etc etc.

At what point did I say that they fought the best? Please Strongback, try reading you fool. I said that they fought people who the public had actually heard of. Not the best. Get a job mate.

You did say they were fighting 'world class opposition', which is probably where Strongy derived 'best' from. And which, arguably, his post still addresses.

I guess it goes back to that old chesnut of how do you define 'world class'.

TopHat24/7 wrote:You did say they were fighting 'world class opposition', which is probably where Strongy derived 'best' from. And which, arguably, his post still addresses.

I guess it goes back to that old chesnut of how do you define 'world class'.

Benn Eubank and co were all world class at the time fighting for world titles.

Which is what I mean by definition. It is clear that Strongy doesn't consider them world class and that none of them ever fought truly 'world class' (i.e. divisional leaders) fighters like RJJ, Toney, BHop.

Start a thread asking as to whether Eubank, Benn and Watson etc. were world class then, wonder what the responses will be.

azania wrote:

Silly silly boy Gee.

Now do I get rid of ESPN or go Box Nation? I like UFC and get ESPN for that. I get boxing on Sky and on my laptop. I still don't like the idea of paying for a subscription boxing channel. How many repeats can I take? It will kill boxing.

I'd weigh up the options of BoxNation if I were you Az. BT have acquired ESPNs UK and Ireland channels and will rebrand most of them for the new football season. I'm not sure what this will mean for UFC and some of the boxing that you get on ESPN at the moment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21577676

RichC101 wrote:

azania wrote:

Silly silly boy Gee.

Now do I get rid of ESPN or go Box Nation? I like UFC and get ESPN for that. I get boxing on Sky and on my laptop. I still don't like the idea of paying for a subscription boxing channel. How many repeats can I take? It will kill boxing.

I'd weigh up the options of BoxNation if I were you Az. BT have acquired ESPNs UK and Ireland channels and will rebrand most of them for the new football season. I'm not sure what this will mean for UFC and some of the boxing that you get on ESPN at the moment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21577676

i think UFC is much more stable than boxing (cards never cancelled, big fights guarenteed, one power controlling everything else, clear champions at each weight etc) and is likely to do better than boxing in any future BT deals.

You could well be right about UFC being stable, they do really well with matching their best against their best, something boxing should learn from. But will BT keep either of them on air?

The article mentions keeping sport from America on air in the UK but mainly talks about college basketball, college football and nascar, no mention of UFC or boxing in there.

Sky tested the waters getting the ultimate fighter a few seasons ago. They may go for UFC if that did good numbers.

Il Gialloblu wrote:

Gee wrote:some people think bowls takes more skill than tenpin bowling etc.

I reckon it does. Made a poll though to decide it once and for all. This is important.

https://www.606v2.com/t42065-which-requires-the-most-skill-bowls-or-bowling

I've voted and commented but it's not exactly taking off. Maybe it should be made "global"?

Oh and I couldn't give a toss about C5 stopping showing boxing. If enough people had of been interested they wouldn't have. They weren't so they did.