606v2 Top 15 Pound for Pound rankings (please submit VOTES)

It's time to vote for the 606V2 POUND FOR POUND Top 15 rankings (Q1 2013).

Rules:
-Only 1 post per 606 member.
-Only active fighters allowed (must of fought in the last 18 months unless officially retired eg Shane Mosley)
-Outlandish listing’s will be DQ.
-A fighter needs two individual votes to have his points included.

Principles:
Your Top 15 should be based as at the current point in time.

Point Scoring System:
Quite simple, #1 scores 15 points, #2 scores 14 points etc… I will tally up the totals by the deadline date and will present the results.

NOTE: PLEASE TRY AND USE FULL NAMES (or correct surnames) & LIST your results.

For reference only, the previous Top 15 606v2 P4P rankings as at 12th December 2012 was:


1 Floyd Mayweather Jr. (1)
2 Andre Ward (4)
3 Nonito Donaire (5)
4 Juan Manuel Marquez (3)
5 Sergio Martinez (6)
6 Wladamir Klitschko (7)
7 Manny Pacquiao (2)
8 Timothy Bradley (11)
9 Adrien Broner (16)
10 Carl Froch (10)
11 Yuriorkis Gamboa (8)
12 Abner Mares (18)
13 Robert Guerrero (New)
14 Canelo Alvarez (17)
15 Vitali Klitschko (13)


Thanks as always, this usually brings up terrific results.

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2 Andre Ward
3 Nonito Donaire
4 Juan Manuel Marquez
5 Sergio Martinez
6 Wladamir Klitschko
7 Manny Pacquiao
8 Timothy Bradley
9 Adrien Broner
10 Carl Froch
11 Abner Mares
12 Robert Guerrero
13 Canelo Alvarez
14 Yuriorkis Gamboa
15 Vitali Klitschko

1.) Floyd
2.) Ward
3.) Donaire
4.) Martinez
5.) JMM
6.) Wlad
7.) Pacquiao
8.) Bradley
9.) Froch
10.) Mares
11.) Guerrero
12.) Broner
13.) Alvarez
14.) Gamboa
15.) Viloria

1. Floyd.
2. Ward
3. Martinez
4. Wlad
5. Donaire
6. Bradley
7. Broner
8. JMM
9. Vitali
10. Gamboa
11. Alvarez
12. Pacquiao
13. Guerrero
14. Froch
15. Hopkins
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1. nontio donaire
2. andre ward
3. floyd mayweather
4. sergio martinez
5. wladmir klitscko
6. timothy bradley
7. abner mares
8. chad dawson
9. juan manuel marquez
10.bernard hopkins
11. manny pacquiao
12. saul alveraz
13. yuriokis gamboa
14. carl froch
15. ricky burns

1. Ward
2. Mayweather
3. Donaire
4. Martinez
5. JMM
6. Bradley
7. Wlad
8. Pacquiao
9. Broner
10. Froch
11. Gamboa
12. Golovkin
13. Mares
14. Alvarez
15. Guerrero

1. Juan M. Marquez
2. Floyd Mayweather -
3. Nonito Donaire -
4. Andre Ward -
5. Sergio Martinez -
6. Wladimir Klitschko -
7. Manny Pacquiao -
8. Carl Froch -
9. Timothy Bradley -
11. Danny Garcia -
12- Abner Mares
13 - Ricky Burns
14 - Saul Alvarez
15- Adrien Broner

some of you guys have gamboa in there, he hasnt fought anyone decent in over a year

Marquez top when he was well and truly dominated by Mayweather?

KO are you trying to be controversial just for the sake of it?

1 Floyd Mayweather
2 Andre Ward
3 Nonito Donaire
4 Juan Manuel Marquez
5 Martinez
6 W Klitschko
7 Pacquiao
8 Bradley
9 Broner
10. Trout
11. Guerrero
12. Froch
13. Alvarez
14. Mares
15. Dawson

Pretty much agree with manos but I'd swap Broner with Froch and perhaps Saul and Dawson.

If Kessler wins does he take frochs place?

ShahenshahG wrote:If Kessler wins does he take frochs place?

Think he'd go even higher after a fantastic win like that. In my opinion.

Mine goes as:

1. Mayweather
2. Donaire
3. Ward
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Sergio Martinez
6. Manny Pacquiaou
7. Wlad Klitschko
8. Timothy Bradley
9. Carl Froch
10. Robert Guerrero
11. Mares
12. Kessler
13. Austin Trout
14. Saul Alvarez
15. Adrien Broner

1. Maywether
2. Doñaire
3. Marquez
4. Ward
5. Martinez
6. Wlad
7 pacman
8. Bradley
9. Guerrero
10.broner
11. Trout
12. Mares
13. Gamboa
14. Vilario
15. Froch

KO-KING wrote:1. Juan M. Marquez
2. Floyd Mayweather -
3. Nonito Donaire -
4. Andre Ward -
5. Sergio Martinez -
6. Wladimir Klitschko -
7. Manny Pacquiao -
8. Carl Froch -
9. Timothy Bradley -
11. Danny Garcia -
12- Abner Mares
13 - Ricky Burns
14 - Saul Alvarez
15- Adrien Broner

some of you guys have gamboa in there, he hasnt fought anyone decent in over a year

i actually nearly left him out do to that reason, but his win over prince de leon was 18 months ago (well in march when i put my list up it was) so i gave him the benefit of the doubt as the OP said 18 months, if he doesn't do anything in the next couple of months he would drop from top 15 for me though

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr
2 Andre Ward
3 Nonito Donaire
4 Juan Manuel Marquez
5 Sergio Martinez
6 Wladamir Klitschko
7 Manny Pacquiao
8 Timothy Bradley
9 Vitali Klitschko
10 Adrien Broner
11 Carl Froch
12 Robert Guerrero
13 Abner Mares
14 Chad Dawson
15 Austin Trout

azania wrote:KO are you trying to be controversial just for the sake of it?

Ah, the irony.......

Boxtthis wrote:

azania wrote:KO are you trying to be controversial just for the sake of it?

Ah, the irony.......

Haha. Yeah, pretty much my thoughts.

RE: Gamboa, he's dropped off my list due to a few reasons.

One being very inactive. Two, I don't think he is quite as good as is sometimes made out. I think he has very special talent. Hand speed and good power in abundance. But, he's there to be hit, dropped a few times in his last fight, and dropped in previous ones, think he's VERY beatable, in that "Naz" sort of way. But don't think he's actually as good as Naz was.

of course one good win and he makes a reappearance on my list, due to being a bit better than other guys, but other guys recently have simply done more.

Boxtthis wrote:

azania wrote:KO are you trying to be controversial just for the sake of it?

Ah, the irony.......

Me?

Wlad
Vitali
Haye
Povetkin

The rest are pretty much irrelevant as p4p they would murder everyone else.

Glad to see my Ali no1 p4p argument has hit home!!

It's a strange one a p4p list...

We are meant to take size out the equation. If that is the case can we remove chin/speed/power etc?

Exactly it has to be taken into consideration that Ali thrashes Robinson, Greb and Armstrong..

My penny's worth:

1. Floyd Mayweather Jnr
2. Andre Ward
3. Juan Manual Marquez
4. Nonito Donaire
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Sergio Martinez
7. Wladmir Klitcshko
8. Carl Froch
9. Timothy Bradley
10. Chad Dawson
11. Saul Alvarez
12. Mikael Kessler
13. Austin Trout
14. Abner Mares
15. Robert Guerrero

You guys put a lot of store into time at the top and overall record.....

Think If you guys had been around 25 years ago Curry would never have been P4P number 1 over Hagler.........

and it may have been a good thing.............

Surprised as any to see Don usurp him..............

You also have to consider that we don't get the best fighting the best or people working the proper way to title shots nowadays so it makes a p4p list that much harder a puzzle than it might have been 25 years ago.

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2 Andre Ward
3 Sergio Martinez
4 Adrien Broner
5 JMM
6 Wladamir Klitschko
7 N. Donaire
8 Carl Froch
9 Vitali Drone
10 Austin Trout
11 GGG
12 Gary Russell Jr
13 Rigo
14 Canelo Alvarez
15 Tim Bradley

King stay the King.

1) Mayweather
2) Donaire
3) Ward
4) Marquez
5) Martinez
6) Wladimir Klitschko
7) Pacquiao
8) Bradley
9) Broner
10) Mares
11) Froch
12) Guerrero
13) Gamboa
14) Viloria
15) Trout

1. Mayweather
2. Donaire
3. Marquez
4. Ward
5. Martinez
6. Pacquiao
7. Bradley
8. Mares
9. Froch
10. Broner
11. Guerrero
12. Gamboa
13. Trout
14. Alvarez
15. Garcia

1) Mayweather
2) Ward
3) Marquez
4) Donaire
5) Martinez
6) Pacquiao
7) Bradley
8) Broner
9) Alvarez
10) Wlad
11) Froch
12) Guerrero
13) Trout
14) Dawson
15) Hopkins

Top 6 I’m fairly happy with.

1. Mayweather Jr
2. Ward
3. Donaire
4. Martinez
5. Marquez
6. Wlad K
7. Pac
8. Dawson
9. Froch
10. Mares
11. M Garcia
12. Gamboa
13. Bradley
14. Broner
15. Guererro

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Marquez top when he was well and truly dominated by Mayweather?

azania wrote:KO are you trying to be controversial just for the sake of it?

that was in 2009, JMM was way above his normal weight and out of shape, but the reason JMM is above Floyd is because he beat Manny Pacquiao, who the hell has Floyd beaten recently, shot "rejuvenated" Cotto, Ortiz, neither were in P4P top 10, Manny was atleast top 3 and JMM KO'd Him.

P4P lists are active, mayweather is not, you have to take into account competition and wins, not ability alone, Sure Floyd is Number ability wise, but he hasnt fought anyone recently. JMM has been far superior.

KO-KING wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Marquez top when he was well and truly dominated by Mayweather?

azania wrote:KO are you trying to be controversial just for the sake of it?

that was in 2009, JMM was way above his normal weight and out of shape, but the reason JMM is above Floyd is because he beat Manny Pacquiao, who the hell has Floyd beaten recently, shot "rejuvenated" Cotto, Ortiz, neither were in P4P top 10, Manny was atleast top 3 and JMM KO'd Him.

P4P lists are active, mayweather is not, you have to take into account competition and wins, not ability alone, Sure Floyd is Number ability wise, but he hasnt fought anyone recently. JMM has been far superior.

Didn't look tremendously "Out of shape" looked as though he had a slightly higher body fat percentage, which is to be expected not having long enough to build his body up correctly. He lasted the distance fine, had no trouble with stamina despite being moved about and pressured and being constantly tensed up.

Personally I think I would have to feel JMM would have a decent shot at beating Mayweather in order to rank him above. They are both welters now. But I really cant see JMM winning that even though hes probably grown into the division better. On last performance JMM was better but thats about it really.

AlexHuckerby wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Marquez top when he was well and truly dominated by Mayweather?

azania wrote:KO are you trying to be controversial just for the sake of it?

that was in 2009, JMM was way above his normal weight and out of shape, but the reason JMM is above Floyd is because he beat Manny Pacquiao, who the hell has Floyd beaten recently, shot "rejuvenated" Cotto, Ortiz, neither were in P4P top 10, Manny was atleast top 3 and JMM KO'd Him.

P4P lists are active, mayweather is not, you have to take into account competition and wins, not ability alone, Sure Floyd is Number ability wise, but he hasnt fought anyone recently. JMM has been far superior.

Didn't look tremendously "Out of shape" looked as though he had a slightly higher body fat percentage, which is to be expected not having long enough to build his body up correctly. He lasted the distance fine, had no trouble with stamina despite being moved about and pressured and being constantly tensed up.

Look at the difference, marquez looked overweight in floyd fight, he did not gain the weight in correct manner, unlike later in the Pacquiao fight.

manos de piedra wrote:Personally I think I would have to feel JMM would have a decent shot at beating Mayweather in order to rank him above. They are both welters now. But I really cant see JMM winning that even though hes probably grown into the division better. On last performance JMM was better but thats about it really.

I dont think JMM would win, but he has better recent wins than floyd so i rate him higher

1. Nonito Donaire
2. Andre Ward
3. Floyd Mayweather Jr
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Adrien Broner
6. Sergio Martinez
7. Yuriorkis Gamboa
8. Manny Pacquiao
9. Timothy Bradley
10. Guillermo Rigondeaux
11. Abner Mares
12. Wladimir Klitschko
13. Carl Froch
14. Robert Guerrero
15. Saul Alvarez

Not a lot has changed for me and I could easily switch a few of these around on any given day, Donaire still the man.

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2 Nonito Donaire
3 Andre Ward
4 Sergio Martinez
5 Juan Manuel Marquez
6 Wladamir Klitschko
7 Manny Pacquiao
8 Abner Mares
9 Timothy Bradley
10 Chad Dawson
11 Carl Froch
12 Bernard Hopkins
13 vitali Klitschko
14 Robert Guerrero
15 Yuriorkis Gamboa

cheers ATG

(amended!)

No Froch spencer?

Well spotted Az! I kept thinking I had missed someone. Not sure how I missed froch though as he's probably my favourite fighter to watch. I shall amend.

The kessler loss does still niggle a bit for me though. I think his improvements since have been dramatic though. Winning the rematch would push him into the top ten for me.

KO-KING wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Marquez top when he was well and truly dominated by Mayweather?

azania wrote:KO are you trying to be controversial just for the sake of it?

that was in 2009, JMM was way above his normal weight and out of shape, but the reason JMM is above Floyd is because he beat Manny Pacquiao, who the hell has Floyd beaten recently, shot "rejuvenated" Cotto, Ortiz, neither were in P4P top 10, Manny was atleast top 3 and JMM KO'd Him.

P4P lists are active, mayweather is not, you have to take into account competition and wins, not ability alone, Sure Floyd is Number ability wise, but he hasnt fought anyone recently. JMM has been far superior.

Didn't look tremendously "Out of shape" looked as though he had a slightly higher body fat percentage, which is to be expected not having long enough to build his body up correctly. He lasted the distance fine, had no trouble with stamina despite being moved about and pressured and being constantly tensed up.

Look at the difference, marquez looked overweight in floyd fight, he did not gain the weight in correct manner, unlike later in the Pacquiao fight.

manos de piedra wrote:Personally I think I would have to feel JMM would have a decent shot at beating Mayweather in order to rank him above. They are both welters now. But I really cant see JMM winning that even though hes probably grown into the division better. On last performance JMM was better but thats about it really.

I dont think JMM would win, but he has better recent wins than floyd so i rate him higher

I guess it depends on what you see a pound for pound list as being supposed to reflect. It would seem to me that your methods indicate its whoever has the best recent wins rather than who is actually the best fighter.

If the P4P list was only about best fighters, many guys in the pre-historic days of boxing wouldn't be included.

azania wrote:If the P4P list was only about best fighters, many guys in the pre-historic days of boxing wouldn't be included.

I draw a distinction between all time pound for lists and current ones. For me, a current pound for pound list is about who the best fighters in the world are at the moment. An all time pound for pound list I view as basically ranking fighters on acheivement.

I agree. But for me an ATG P4P should be about who are the best fighters.

azania wrote:I agree. But for me an ATG P4P should be about who are the best fighters.

What would you base that on though?

Who is the better fighter.

Yes but how do you decide who the better fighter is?

I draw a distinction between all time pound for lists and current ones. For me, a current pound for pound list is about who the best fighters in the world are at the moment. An all time pound for pound list I view as basically ranking fighters on acheivement. [/quote]

I take into account both things, the reason you have to take into account there recent wins is because fighters improve and deteriorate and sometimes quite quickly, not saying floyd but in general, but to to prove that they haven't declined, they have to fight a decent opponent, hence why i take into account recent fights and performance in those recent fights, to me its simple, JMM KO'd pacquiao a top P4P fighter, Fighter of the decade, he Knocked him unconscious, Mayweather went to a some what competitive decision against a past his best miguel cotto, who was towards the bottom end of Most top 15 P4P lists at the time.

You simply can not state someone is the best without competition, sure you can say you think they are better, like i think Floyd is better than JMM, but I wont rank floyd over JMM at this moment of time, eventhough i rank him higher in ATG list, but P4P lists are meant to active, meaning recent fights have to be taken into place.

I know you and most would agree with me when I say JMM W-KO over Pac>Floyd W-UD over Cotto, if not JMM W-KO over Pac>Floyd W-UD over Cotto + W over Ortiz