Top 20 Greatest Heavyweights Video

Here's a present. Interesting to see footage of them all side by side:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSb0fHsYUr0

Cheers mate - interesting to see how fluid Sonny Liston looks when he isnt fighting Ali

Marciano at 4........

Helps that he wasnt nearing 50 in those fights, Shah

Haha thats true but it startling to see how amatuer a very quick fighter can make even greats look.

In general I agree, but 50-year old Holyfield lost to Valuev, age takes its toll.
I think a prime Liston does a lot better vs Ali.

Liston quit twice..........Ali was the stronger character..............

Always pick Ali to win..

Ali was facing a man twice his age, look at Holyfield, Rahman, Tyson, Even to a degree Foreman.

Liston was 44...........

ali 22

Was liston 44...........

And thats just the comfirmed age, likely older

Highly likely might I add

Liston was 33 and coming off two trashings of a top 20 alltime heavyweight..

A 180lbs heavyweight,

Im not saying Ali loses to Liston, Im saying he didnt face peak Liston

kingraf wrote:A 180lbs heavyweight,

190 pounds...........and so what...........Holy regularly gave 18 pounds a way..........

Holyfield was 6'2+ apples with carrots

Gave Lewis three inches and nearly 30 pounds.

and use tons of drugs

speculation..

got schooled by Lewis Twice!

I gave Lewis the draw..................But I gave Holy the second fight.........

Oh... if you say so.

Probably rank Holy's victory over Foreman equal with Ali's!

I don't mind you disagreeing........Just how I called it..........

Holy gave similar weight to Rodrigues, Foreman, Dokes etc..

I really did suspect you'd bring Foreman up.

kingraf wrote:Probably rank Holy's victory over Foreman equal with Ali's!

Nope

Lets agree to disagree. Even though Liston gave a DOB of 1932, for convenience rather than any actual convictionn

We aren't disagreeing on anything or are we...

Do you see a prime Liston beating Ali ??

I'd like to say yes to cause an argument, but I know Clay/Ali might have to come in a little under-par for Liston to win. In essence, I dont think best of Sonny beats best of Liston, but I dont think Ali has to be too far off his game for Sonny to win