Hayes farcical re-match route

http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/13/david-haye-told-he-has-to-earn-a-rematch-with-wladimir-klitschko-3756695/

‘He would have to beat some top contenders and become a mandatory. Why do people just wake one morning and think they can just get [a Klitschko], like David Haye?

Delving into the Brothers fight history it all seems patchy, some fights are made from eliminators, others clearly aren't

Charr in fairness had the WBC International Silver heavyweight title when he fought Vitali
Adamek had the IBO International Heavyweight title when he fought Vitali

But Samuel Peter facing Wladimir for the second time did not appear to have done much in his 2 or 3 preceding fights to warrant this...Nagy Aguilera - 25 fights six losses and preceded by Gabe Brown and Ronald Bellamy

Francesco Pianeta

Nelson Dario Dominguez, before that points wins with the extremely highly ranked old boys club of Frans Botha, and Oliver McCall all leads to a title fight with Wladimir

Shannon Briggs

Fought the well known Rob Calloway, Dominique Alexander and Rafael Pedro and landed a shot at Vitali. Prob managed this as he is an ex Lennox victim and a name.

Dereck Chisora

A fury loss, a points win against the well known Mr Ziausys, and a narrow loss ( which admittedly should in many eyes been a win, but a loss is a loss ) against Helenius all leads to a title fight with Vitali.

So a loss can get you a title fight - even Audley at least was European Champ when he got the fight with Haye.

How exactly does David earn the right for a re-match or a shot against one of the brothers?

If we follow the Chisora route, David needs to first lose a split decision against Charr in an epic battle, fight a Remigijus Ziausys or a Rob Calloway and win on points, then possibly lose very narrowly..... and he may be in contention!

Is this all just a load of nonsense and are the Klits running a cartel?

Rosario lost to Camacho and got Bramble..........Holmes lost to Spinks and got Tyson..Look at Paulie!!

Nothing new about losing fighters getting shots.............

Haye had his shot and ran like a thief......He's beaten chump-Chisora since.....

Have to figure in Haye won't accept the purses these other guys accept....He still thinks he's a super-fighter but If you're a German fight fan or a Brit that got burned going to Germany last time do you think it's a big fight???????

Sadly Haye wants more than the other fighters............

A lot of truth in this Trussman....forgot about the readies!!...silly ol me

Whatever anyone thinks about the Klits they have reigned for a long time, and the purse will favor them.

Your probably right....its more about the money.

David's only way of getting the right money with the fight is to put on 3 or 4 blistering performances in the space of about a year ( I believe 4 fights have been mentioned through Hearn ) so that TV companies and the public demand it.

I dont think Haye can complain too much. He was given a shot by slagging the Klitschkos off and beating Monte Barrett. That didnt go ahead through no fault of the Wlad. He gained another fight with a 50/50 split off beating Audley Harrison. This did go ahead and he was handily beaten.

Hes probably only two fights away from a mandatory position in any case. Beat Charr and his next fight probably becomes an eliminator for the WBC title. Mandatory would prob get him 20-25% of the purse and I don think the Klitschkos would give him any more than thaat for a voluntary defence now he has no title or ppv backing.

Valid point by Trussy on the money. There's also f'all good will towards Haye following his antics before the Wlad fights and how he stunk the place out when he did get in the ring.

Manos: I reckon Haye will have two or three fights on Sky building up the public's interest before a mandatory challenge for Vitalis old belt when he retires or another crack at Wlad. The title fight to be on Sky Box Office.

I thought Haye explained that he was tired of waiting for 1 of the brothers so would go down the mandatory route?

IMO he won't get a shot again even if he does win all his up coming fights. Wlad's age and Vitali retiring will result in Haye not reliving his dream for a second time.

Haye should really concentrate on building up big money fights with Fury and Wilder.

vitali offered haye a fight but he chose to fight chisora instead. I think the klitschkos have been leniant on haye in offering him so many fights.

Haye is where the money's at.

Povetkin is where the money is at these days if sources prove correct.

I dont think Haye will ever manage to attain the status going into the Wlad fight. Only a stunning series of wins over genuine rated heavyweights will do that. I dont think he wants to fight Vitali all that much. He would probably prefer a shot at the vacant title and hype up a fight with Fury as champion and maybe then a big pay off rematch with Wlad for all the titles. He could have fought Vitali instead of Chisora but it would have been less money and a tougher fight. He opted to take the easier option against Chisora so for me that kind of says what he is about.

I dont think Haye fighting the likes of Charr is going to have anything like the same impact/draw it had prior to the Wlad fight though. HE just isnt seen as the the threat anymore.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:vitali offered haye a fight but he chose to fight chisora instead. I think the klitschkos have been leniant on haye in offering him so many fights.

Yeah right... His manager openly said that Haye had his chance and then agreed that VK would fight the winner of Haye Chisora... While Adam Booth is probably not the best to deal with Team K are full of sheet, this has become pretty blatant, and while the Ks are very good, they do like to pick an easy fight. neither brother have taken on many potent challenges.

tunes666 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:vitali offered haye a fight but he chose to fight chisora instead. I think the klitschkos have been leniant on haye in offering him so many fights.

Yeah right... His manager openly said that Haye had his chance and then agreed that VK would fight the winner of Haye Chisora... While Adam Booth is probably not the best to deal with Team K are full of sheet, this has become pretty blatant, and while the Ks are very good, they do like to pick an easy fight. neither brother have taken on many potent challenges.

they have beaten every top contender out there, who have they dodged?

tunes666 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:vitali offered haye a fight but he chose to fight chisora instead. I think the klitschkos have been leniant on haye in offering him so many fights.

Yeah right... His manager openly said that Haye had his chance and then agreed that VK would fight the winner of Haye Chisora... While Adam Booth is probably not the best to deal with Team K are full of sheet, this has become pretty blatant, and while the Ks are very good, they do like to pick an easy fight. neither brother have taken on many potent challenges.

Booth admitted on Ringside that they had been offered the fight for the same date that Vitali fought Charr. Haye is the one that is full of it. Always has been.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:vitali offered haye a fight but he chose to fight chisora instead. I think the klitschkos have been leniant on haye in offering him so many fights.

Yeah right... His manager openly said that Haye had his chance and then agreed that VK would fight the winner of Haye Chisora... While Adam Booth is probably not the best to deal with Team K are full of sheet, this has become pretty blatant, and while the Ks are very good, they do like to pick an easy fight. neither brother have taken on many potent challenges.

they have beaten every top contender out there, who have they dodged?

Pulev?

Think the greatest trick Haye has managed to pull at heavyweight is the continuing belief some seem willing to hold that the brothers have been avoiding him. Wlad signed to fight him twice and turned up both times, when it eventually happened he beat him with ease. As such Haye is not a particularly pressing engagement for Wlad.

During the tedious and long winded negotiations for the two fights Vitali made any number of overtures to fill the void and meet Haye. These largely went unanswered. Haye was particularly silent in the run up to his second negotiations with Wlad only breaking his silence once both brothers had got different opponents. Haye broke his silence to face the might of Audley Harrison in a fight that whilst undoubtedly profitable was largely a farce.

Likewise it has been acknowledged by pretty much all parties an offer was on the table some months ago but Haye chose to take Chisora instead of Vitali. He now claims that offer is not on the table, which may be the case but it may also be the case that irrespective of what he believes the brothers world does not revolve around David Haye. They do not exist solely to offer Haye title shots the minute he does not have a more profitable but easier option on the table.

Seems fairly clear to me Haye wants to fight the brothers only in the instance there is not a more profitable, less risky offer on the table

Sounds like you are saying Haye is ducking K2. You know that you can be lynched for that, don't you?

I don’t think he is ducking them. My own view is Haye will take whichever fight represents the least risk for the most money. Did it with Audley, did it with Chisora. Will fight one of the brothers again the minute either the fans or whichever TV company is paying him will no longer shell out for anything other than that.

There is a lot of logic in that I will begrudgingly admit. Mind you, I am not hoding my breath to see him fight Vitali or Wlad as I still believe he looses badly to both of them.

So do I mate. I personally think the ideal scenario from Haye’s perspective is Vitali retiring, which will allow his fans to cling to the misguided belief he ducked Haye and then the WBC belt to become vacant. As the guys in the frame such as Fury all look eminently beatable,if he can shoehorn himself into a position where he was facing the god awful Fury for the vacant belt he would probably consider all his Christmases to have come at once as it would be a mega payday and about as easy a route to a world title belt as you could ever hope to receive.

Worth mentioning I think that Wlad will also be gunning to get his hands on Vitali's belt when he retires. Wlad could upset Haye's plans by being at the top of the queue when the belt becomes available.

The WBC won't let Wlad get the belt. Hes not even in their ratings.

Didnt they say it was for the good of boxing that their belt wasn't unified with any other belts??

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:The WBC won't let Wlad get the belt. Hes not even in their ratings.

Didnt they say it was for the good of boxing that their belt wasn't unified with any other belts??

Yeah, they're idiots alright.