The Flyweights

The first of the 606v2 knockout tournaments will be contested by the smallest men of all the flyweights, as per usual we will have a starting eight whom will compete in fantasy match ups in a knockout style tournament, just need to gauge a few opinions on whom you all think should be included. The winner of each fight will be decided you the posters of V2 with an average outcome used.

My eight in no particular order

Wilde
Villa
Lynch
Perez
Canto
Kingpetch
Kane
Lopez

To avoid confusion for the flyweights I am including light flyweight and straweight

I think I'd run with, ( in no particular order, ) :

Jimmy Wilde
Pancho Villa
Pascual Perez
Fidel LaBarba
Benny Lynch
Midget Wolgast
Miguel Canto
Ricardo Lopez

Ayup Atom, good to see this idea rolling again. Mine would be, in a rough but probably not exact order, the following.

Jimmy Wilde
Pancho Villa
Pascual Perez
Frankie Genaro
Pone Kingpetch
Benny Lynch
Sot Chitalada
Midget Wolgast

Tried to make it an interesting mix of styles and so on. Would have loved to include Jimmy Barry of course, but given that film of him simply isn't available it wouldn't make much sense too in this case.

I might make a case for Pongsalek Wongjonkham if I could ever figure out what the hell to make of him.

I have seen him creep into plenty of top ten pound for pound lists now yet his record may aswell be in double dutch. Only seen him ight sparingly so I dont know how to rate him really. Seems to fall somewhere between one of the greatest asian fighters of all time and a completely overrated fighter who fights kickboxers.

Might be arguments for Carbajal or even Fighting Harada given his brief time there. Khoasai Galaxy would be an interesting inclusion if super flys wre included as he was real quality.

Ricardo Lopez
Jimmy Wilde
Pancho Villa
Miguel Canto
Benny Lynch
Pascual Perez
Humberto Gonzalez
Frankie Genaro

Tough list to make.

manos de piedra wrote:I might make a case for Pongsalek Wongjonkham if I could ever figure out what the hell to make of him.

I have seen him creep into plenty of top ten pound for pound lists now yet his record may aswell be in double dutch. Only seen him ight sparingly so I dont know how to rate him really. Seems to fall somewhere between one of the greatest asian fighters of all time and a completely overrated fighter who fights kickboxers.

Might be arguments for Carbajal or even Fighting Harada given his brief time there. Khoasai Galaxy would be an interesting inclusion if super flys wre included as he was real quality.

Who's your eight then Manos, someone like Galaxy will be eligible for inclusion in the bantamweight one, going to keep it to the original eight with a couple of the higher classes included as well but the weight differences at lower weights make it reasonable to suggest a world class super flyweight would compete against well or can at least be compared against bantamweights.


And Chris no Lopez?

Agree on Wonjongkam, like many of the asian fighters he's fighting opponents from the same region whom I simply know nothing about but he seems quite highly rated by the ring magazine so can't be complete garbage

Wilde
Villa
Lynch
Perez
Canto
Wongjonkam
Lopez
Wolgast

I will include Wongjonkam if only to try and gauge what others make of him.

Sly tactic that Manos, although i'm going to wager you know about as much as the rest of us if not more in my case

The Mighty Atom wrote:Sly tactic that Manos, although i'm going to wager you know about as much as the rest of us if not more in my case

I admit Ive become most interested in him recently as he keeps appearing now in these pound for pound lists yet nobody seems to have much of a handle on him. I get the impression his extensive record and the fact he holds a belt makes people feel they have to have him up there without genuinely being able to assess him. Even reasonable souces like the Ring dont seem to provide satisfactory evaluation of him.

Is this guy just over in Asia fighting converted kickboxing novices with a strap or is he genuine pound for pound material?

You can never tell with the asian flyweights. Sot Chitalada was a kick-boxer who won the fly title after 3 pro fights. Didn't he have a british coach (Charlie something). Apparently his walk around weight was 140lbs and has suffered internal organ damage due to weight cutting.

His record would be far easier to understand if he wasn't fighting absolute crude all the time but has some decent wins over Kameda and Naito whom I still know very little about. Not in any position to help you on this one unfortunately Manos. Shamed to say my list of eight was picked almost because of them being the only quality I know.

The Mighty Atom wrote:His record would be far easier to understand if he wasn't fighting absolute crude all the time but has some decent wins over Kameda and Naito whom I still know very little about. Not in any position to help you on this one unfortunately Manos. Shamed to say my list of eight was picked almost because of them being the only quality I know.

Im the same, my knowledge of the flyweights would be far from extensive.

Atom, apologies mate, didn't see that Strawweight and Light-Flyweight could be used as well - can I offer a new eight? If so, here it is. Sorry again.

Jimmy Wilde
Pancho Villa
Ricardo Lopez
Pascual Perez
Miguel Canto
Benny Lynch
Pone Kingpetch
Frankie Genaro

Cheers.

That's cool Chris, assumed you'd done that as was fairly certain you'd have included Lopez whom would I be mistaken in thinking featured in your forgotten greats series?

Jimmy Wilde
Miguel Canto
Pascual Perez
Pancho Villa
Benny Lynch
Fidel LaBarba
Frankie Genaro
Ricardo Lopez

Wilde
Villa
Lynch
Lopez
Canto
Genaro
Kingpetch
Wolgast

May have missed a couple but once you get to the real lower weights my knowledge gets sketchy

Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
Moruti Mthalane
Hernan Marquez
Wilbert Uicab
Rocky Fuentes
Julio Cesar Miranda
Milan Melindo
Ryo Miyazaki
Luis Concepcion
Edgar Sosa

Let me guess because their modern?

I've weighed up the pros and cons and come to the conclusion that they are the best Flyweights.

Good to know you wont be discussing this any further

In no particular order.

Michael Carbahal
Jimmy Wilde
Pancho Villa
Ricardo Lopez
Pascual Perez
Khaosai Galaxy
Benny Lynch
Miguel Canto

Amended futher down in another post.

The fact their are boxrecs top 10 right now in that exact order might have something t do with it.

Mine Kev?

No mate Jukebox's is the current top 10 active ranked flyweights according to boxrec.

prettyboykev wrote:No mate Jukebox's is the current top 10 active ranked flyweights according to boxrec.

No problem mate.

Their in order as well from 1-10. Your list has Benny Lynch on it we are at peace.

prettyboykev wrote:Their in order as well from 1-10. Your list has Benny Lynch on it we are at peace.

Crazy, yeah Lynch is more than deserving of his spot i feel.

Wilde, Villa and Lynch were the first three that came to mind. Probably the best as well imo.

Just so everyone knows by i'll count up the votes midday tomorrow, expect this concept to pick up a bit once we get to the featherweights and above

prettyboykev wrote:The fact their are boxrecs top 10 right now in that exact order might have something t do with it.

They're copying me again.

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:The fact their are boxrecs top 10 right now in that exact order might have something t do with it.

They're copying me again.

Thought that might have been the case.

Would point out Galveston that i'm including super flyweight under the banner of bantamweight which may make Galaxy inelgible for this one

No problem Atom, let me make another one for you.

Frankie Genaro
Michael Carbahal
Jimmy Wilde
Pancho Villa
Ricardo Lopez
Pascual Perez
Benny Lynch
Miguel Canto

prettyboykev wrote:Wilde, Villa and Lynch were the first three that came to mind. Probably the best as well imo.

Same for me too mate, comfortably.

The first seven spots are almost certainly tied up now but there's a 3 way battle for the elusive 8th spot

Too messy for me, with a few of the best ones fighting already and not really wanting to include people who didn't fight there. I'll join for the next one MA.

The sooner this one is over and done with the better to be honest, don't think many are too interested with the flyweights apart from Wilde, Villa and Lynch

How many weights you doing this with Atom?

Going to do the classic 8 and possibly 140lbs which has a fair bit of history behind it but wont bother with the other junior classes

The 8 Flyweights are as follows in no particular order

Villa
Lynch
Kingpetch
Wilde
Canto
Lopez
Perez
Genaro

I've got the randomly number 1-8, if you would like to draw them for me PBK?

No bother mate.

Numbered them and got my son to pick them out.

Wilde v Lopez
Genaro v Kingpecht
Perez v Canto
Villa v Lynch

In no particular order

Wilde
Lynch
Villa
Lopez
Perez
Genaro
LaBarba
Kingpecht