Nadal's Knees

Is this the biggest lie of all time? It seems whenever these phantom knees appear, they go away just as quickly, and Nadal somehow manages 5 set marathons like it is nothing. If there was anything wrong with his knees all this play and ultra defending would surely show it up. The knee claims seem to always come after he loses. Funny that.

What exactly is the proof he suffers with bad knees? Maybe it is just another one of Nadal's tics...

Come on man.. I don't think he's gonna spend 8 months on the sidelines pretending to be injured.

Whatever you may feel about Rafa, he is a great champ and proven his mettle once again.

imho he deliberately skipped the hard court season. There is no way on earth that someone with a real and serious injury to the knees comes back after that length of time and makes the final of every event. It's not possible. The truth is, it's a fat lie.

For Christs sake, what a moronic comment. You must be a very sore loser.

I kind of see what homogenised is saying and agree a little with the point of view but I'm not going to say anymore after a match like this.

Hi nitb!

Thats what careful and expensive rehabilitation over 8 months does.

_homogenised_ wrote:imho he deliberately skipped the hard court season. There is no way on earth that someone with a real and serious injury to the knees comes back after that length of time and makes the final of every event. It's not possible. The truth is, it's a fat lie.

It is a convenient excuse for Nadal fans when he loses, and some fed fans have jumped on the bandwagon because it serves their desire to portray today's tennis and competition level as weaker than when fed was rolling over everyone. I don't doubt the man has injuries but the best years he has ever had have come after leg injuries. When he has injuries and can't run down balls anymore than I will concede the point. But so far he has comeback from every injury better than ever.


Funny I was called an idiot for claiming that Nadal was better than 60-80 percent of his peak, I watched the man reach balls today that were simply unimaginable and the frustration got to his opponent. Apparently the tattered husk of a shell of Nadal is pretty damn good.

socal1976 wrote:

_homogenised_ wrote:imho he deliberately skipped the hard court season. There is no way on earth that someone with a real and serious injury to the knees comes back after that length of time and makes the final of every event. It's not possible. The truth is, it's a fat lie.

It is a convenient excuse for Nadal fans when he loses, and some fed fans have jumped on the bandwagon because it serves their desire to portray today's tennis and competition level as weaker than when fed was rolling over everyone. I don't doubt the man has injuries but the best years he has ever had have come after leg injuries. When he has injuries and can't run down balls anymore than I will concede the point. But so far he has comeback from every injury better than ever.


Funny I was called an idiot for claiming that Nadal was better than 60-80 percent of his peak, I watched the man reach balls today that were simply unimaginable and the frustration got to his opponent. Apparently the tattered husk of a shell of Nadal is pretty damn good.

As has been said above, that is what taking the proper time to recover will do, I agree this was Rafa near his top today, only from what I have heard. Maybe not 2008 or 2010 Rafa on clay but near it. Though he hasn't been that good earlier in the Tournament. The real test will be what he is like on another surface, for all the homogenisation of surfaces, Rafa on Clay is still different to Rafa on HC. People claiming that his injuries are all faked though are clutching at straws. I got ITBS in my marathon training, it flared up at the end of the actual race too, still managed a pretty good time. In rugby, Tom Wood missed most of a season due to a foot injury that still puts him in intense pain and requires special treatment throughout the season. He was fantastic this 6 Nations and is captaining England on their summer tour. Many people think he should be representing the Lions.

You can be even better after injury and you can fight through pain left after a major injury without it necessarily visibly affecting your game, especially if you are a fighter and you train sensibly. Rafa is, even if people want to give him nothing else, undeniably a fighter

I've never seen Nadal struggle to run, except maybe on the grass because he slides too much.

falzy21 wrote:Thats what careful and expensive rehabilitation over 8 months does.

he hasn't had any kind of surgery or anything else. And no it doesn't. You don't just come back after that kind of real injury better than ever, and playing the exact same game as you did before.

ChequeredJersey wrote:

socal1976 wrote:

_homogenised_ wrote:imho he deliberately skipped the hard court season. There is no way on earth that someone with a real and serious injury to the knees comes back after that length of time and makes the final of every event. It's not possible. The truth is, it's a fat lie.

It is a convenient excuse for Nadal fans when he loses, and some fed fans have jumped on the bandwagon because it serves their desire to portray today's tennis and competition level as weaker than when fed was rolling over everyone. I don't doubt the man has injuries but the best years he has ever had have come after leg injuries. When he has injuries and can't run down balls anymore than I will concede the point. But so far he has comeback from every injury better than ever.


Funny I was called an idiot for claiming that Nadal was better than 60-80 percent of his peak, I watched the man reach balls today that were simply unimaginable and the frustration got to his opponent. Apparently the tattered husk of a shell of Nadal is pretty damn good.

As has been said above, that is what taking the proper time to recover will do, I agree this was Rafa near his top today, only from what I have heard. Maybe not 2008 or 2010 Rafa on clay but near it. Though he hasn't been that good earlier in the Tournament. The real test will be what he is like on another surface, for all the homogenisation of surfaces, Rafa on Clay is still different to Rafa on HC. People claiming that his injuries are all faked though are clutching at straws. I got ITBS in my marathon training, it flared up at the end of the actual race too, still managed a pretty good time. In rugby, Tom Wood missed most of a season due to a foot injury that still puts him in intense pain and requires special treatment throughout the season. He was fantastic this 6 Nations and is captaining England on their summer tour. Many people think he should be representing the Lions.

You can be even better after injury and you can fight through pain left after a major injury without it necessarily visibly affecting your game, especially if you are a fighter and you train sensibly. Rafa is, even if people want to give him nothing else, undeniably a fighter

Can't disagree with any of that. The man is fighter and his will to win got him this victory more than any particular shot. I am just tired of assessments about how Nadal is way off his best when the man comes back and runs roughshod over the tour, just plain tired of it. The next time Novak beats him you can be guaranteed that people will comeback with how this is a shell of the old Nadal or how he is so far off his best. Lets remember he was leading the points race in 2012 before his injury and he is in the same position again today. Where is the massive fall off in his results? I just find it insulting to his competition and the rest of the tour.

So, now we claim guys with a recorded history of knee injuries take seven months off, dont touch a racquet, skip two Slams, is faking it? Ok, we all get through defeats in differering ways. I'll allow ylu guys to "grieve"

_homogenised_ wrote:

falzy21 wrote:Thats what careful and expensive rehabilitation over 8 months does.

he hasn't had any kind of surgery or anything else. And no it doesn't. You don't just come back after that kind of real injury better than ever, and playing the exact same game as you did before. It's a crock of shi.t.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/feb/04/tom-wood-england-six-nations

Foot damage and also, which I did not know, bilateral chronic patellar tendonitis (like Rafa)

http://www.therugbyblog.co.uk/england-38-14-new-zealand-england-player-ratings

Pretty much given 8+ ratings across the board in the 6Ns too

Not the same sport but just wanted to show you that the statement in bold is demonstrably false

Those are team sports for a start off... show me someone in a single player sport that has come back from this kind of "injury" and been in so many straight finals?

What reason for missing so much time are you suggesting?

bogbrush wrote:What reason for missing so much time are you suggesting?

He simply didn't want to compete in the hard court season (we are talking about a guy who moans about hard court and wants them removed from tour) and likes to find excuses for his losses. I am sure that he did have some sort of MINOR injury, but used and abused it to have a nice rest. When he was due to come back for Aussie Open, suddenly there was a phantom virus. I think Nadal is a big bullshitter haha. Or, maybe like his tics on court, he is just a mental case that thinks he has bigger problems than he does.

I do know one thing, there is no way he was as injured as he and his camp made out.

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_homogenised_ wrote:

bogbrush wrote:What reason for missing so much time are you suggesting?

He simply didn't want to compete in the hard court season (we are talking about a guy who moans about hard court and wants them removed from tour) and likes to find excuses for his losses. I am sure that he did have some sort of MINOR injury, but used and abused it to have a nice rest. When he was due to come back for Aussie Open, suddenly there was a phantom virus. I think Nadal is a big bullshitter haha. Or, maybe like his tics on court, he is just a mental case that thinks he has bigger problems than he does.

I do know one thing, there is no way he was as injured as he and his camp made out.

Good point, Rafa hasn't any success on HC. He also didn't excuse his loss to Rosol at all, he specifically stated that Rosol "would have won that match no matter how I played"

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wait till haddie nuff and hawkeye see this!

None of those are as bad on the knees as tennis, and they certainly didn't reach so many finals doing so well in a row. It's not comparable... What Nadal has done simply hasn't been done with someone else at any level in tennis with the supposed injuries he had. Comparing it to a few tournaments in golf, and even women's sports, won't wash.

You're artificially restricting my options now

LMAO - I swear this Homogenised guy is a duplicate account, I just cant pin point who he was

ChequeredJersey wrote:You're artificially restricting my options now

The sport of tennis does that, because it is fundamentally different to all other sports. Esp the physical effect on the muscles of the legs and knees. I suppose properly the question should be, show me someone else in tennis who had a real injury that came back and was so successful? It can't be done. Soderling has dropped off the tour with his.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Sharapova

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serena_Williams#2004.E2.80.932007:_Injuries.2C_depression_and_the_comeback

None of them did what Nadal has, and the men's game is FAR more physical. Depression is also not a physical ailment. Your come backs are just clutching at straws.

Though I don't understand why I'm not allowed to mention things like Kobe's leg injury

So any example has to be EXACTLY what Rafa has got, down to being male, being as good as Rafa before and after the injury and the sport has to be tennis and the injury has to be knee?

Yes, I am clutching at straws

_homogenised_ wrote:

bogbrush wrote:What reason for missing so much time are you suggesting?

He simply didn't want to compete in the hard court season (we are talking about a guy who moans about hard court and wants them removed from tour) and likes to find excuses for his losses. I am sure that he did have some sort of MINOR injury, but used and abused it to have a nice rest.

Cheers for this man, I was really curious as to why Nadal took so many months off, and this explanation finally makes perfect sense.

Thanks.

What homogenize is basically saying is hes questioning Nadals ability, saying hes not good enough to come back from long injury and regain his form...

Well mate he just has, Nadal was never "frightened" to play on HC when he won the olympic gold and the 2 hc slams did he?

OP must be reading serbian forums. Consensus there is that Rafa took time off to cleanse his body from nasty stuff and not injury.

As in doping, or a beer too many (not literally a beer)...Doesnt WADA still test you if youre in an olympic sport injured or no?

The whole knees story looks a bit obscure to me too. Lenghty period out, without any surgical operation nor a credible diagnosis......

I think the OP point really is: was nadal time out related to doping cleans up or to a silent ban imposed by the ITF?

My view on that is, this is a real possibility, there are subtantially no doping controls at the moment, and, as a logical consequence, one would think that most of athletes might be tempted to use peds. The observation of recovery times and physical performance would also support such possibility.

But: do we have or will ever have any evidence available? Answer is no.

Imo is better to think that all players dope and it still is a level field, sort of (Socal copiright).

LuvSports! wrote:wait till haddie nuff and hawkeye see this!

Dont worry Ls Ive already wasted enough breath on this no it all Nadal hater... who would be much more at home (if she isn´t already on Tenez´s thread) they all congregate on there to tell each other how much that hate and loath the King of Clay especially when he beats Novak.
Its beneath me to get into dialogue with this "person" who is attempting to start the whole thing up again on here about Nadal. Something I believe the mods have gone to great lengths to erradicate. But I wish the rest of you luck.. with a name like homogenised jeeeez that says it all

I go to "tenez's" threads HN and I don't hate or loath rafa.

LuvSports! wrote:I go to "tenez's" threads HN and I don't hate or loath rafa.

I know that LS, but I have a feeling that _homogenised_ isn't the biggest fan of Nadal.

I know you do LS but my remark was not about you personally. But I think if you are honest the "President of the Nadal Haters" has more than enough to say on the subject

What do you think of rafa's wimby chances HN?

LS approx 9 months ago I was waiting to hear that Rafa was going to hang up his Babolat.. I and many Rafa fans (in fact Rafa himself) could never have conceived of the idea of him entering RG let alone stand on the threshold of winning it for the 8th time so I would then have said Wimby not a hope in hell... but after yesterday and seen the enormous change in Rafa´s mental approach, the agression the downright indominatble spirit that man has... anything is possible. So yes I think he has more than a fighting chance of winning it.. once he gets to the USO ahhhhhh now thats a different story.

Ah Tenez, one of the major reasons I decided not to be involved in the Tennis forum 18 months ago after about 1 day and only recently came back

ChequeredJersey wrote:Ah Tenez, one of the major reasons I decided not to be involved in the Tennis forum 18 months ago after about 1 day and only recently came back

It's not Tenez.
Tenez, despite being a poster who makes really weird statements and predictions and really actively dislikes Nadal, has a bit of class.

_homogenised_ has already been temporarily banned for racist comments on another section on this site, and is frankly bordering on slightly pathetic with his actions here.

It actually is more like NITB than Tenez who appears to have become somewhat more ... what should I say.. "moderate"

We have to be careful here; the forum is quite nice and cuddly right now, and that's great, but there has to be room for dissent and serious disagreement. I do not subscribe to any suggestion that mods should step in to suppress opinion (legal requirements notwithstanding).

The OP doesn't accept the official line on Nadal's reason for layoff. That's fair enough, as is disagreeing with him. I read enough from established forum members (Rafa fans included, suspecting Toni's behaviour) questioning the press announcements from the Nadal camp, so disbelief is not off limits.

I also read some posts from some members crying foul on this thread which accused Djokovic of lying yesterday. Sorry, but you cannot reasonably expect to be permitted to do that and fly into a rage if Nadal's honestly is challenged.

Fair enough BB

Red wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:Ah Tenez, one of the major reasons I decided not to be involved in the Tennis forum 18 months ago after about 1 day and only recently came back

It's not Tenez.
Tenez, despite being a poster who makes really weird statements and predictions and really actively dislikes Nadal, has a bit of class.

_homogenised_ has already been temporarily banned for racist comments on another section on this site, and is frankly bordering on slightly pathetic with his actions here.

I didn't suggest that it was Tenez, the name just reminded me of why I didn't like this forum a year and a half ago

ChequeredJersey wrote:

Red wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:Ah Tenez, one of the major reasons I decided not to be involved in the Tennis forum 18 months ago after about 1 day and only recently came back

It's not Tenez.
Tenez, despite being a poster who makes really weird statements and predictions and really actively dislikes Nadal, has a bit of class.

_homogenised_ has already been temporarily banned for racist comments on another section on this site, and is frankly bordering on slightly pathetic with his actions here.

I didn't suggest that it was Tenez, the name just reminded me of why I didn't like this forum a year and a half ago

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