If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
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If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
Let's say you were someone Canelo took a great shining to, someone who's advice he genuinely wanted to listen to and he respected your opinions and would generally implement them into his gameplans, what would you say to him on beating Floyd?
Personally, I'd say going on his strengths and weaknesses throw that jab every time you began an attack and DO NOT GO FOR THE CHIN, you will miss, hit the top of the head, it's the best you will do.
Remember, THIS GUY IS WORRIED ABOUT YOUR SIZE, why else would he want it at a catchweight, he knows how physically imposing you are and wants to weaken you slightly, use your size, get into his head through the fight, rough him up and push him about. Get worry signs going off in his head that he's struggling to deal with how big you are early.
Bang that body, he is faster, there's no doubt, you can slow him down if you manage to corner him and catch him with decent body attacks.
Don't throw everything into every shot like you were with Trout, you ended up tiring at times and only fighting in spurts, stay consistent and pace yourself a little better, you are going to have to get that extra 2 pounds off, for a guy thats struggling with 154 it can be a big factor, make sure you do not run out of energy early on, one of the main things that could happen is that he could end up outworking you at times to nick silly rounds here and there whilst you are recovering.
CUT THE RING OFF, DO NOT JUST FOLLOW HIM!! This is the most important point, you put everything else into play, but don't allow him to just fly back past you by simply following in his footsteps against him, cut the ring off, narrow his escape routes, push him about, rough him up, use the jab to set your attack up and hit that body and whenever you see a chance to catch him high go for the top of the head, you ain't hitting that chin, put it all into practice Canelo YOU CAN DO IT!
What would be yours?
Personally, I'd say going on his strengths and weaknesses throw that jab every time you began an attack and DO NOT GO FOR THE CHIN, you will miss, hit the top of the head, it's the best you will do.
Remember, THIS GUY IS WORRIED ABOUT YOUR SIZE, why else would he want it at a catchweight, he knows how physically imposing you are and wants to weaken you slightly, use your size, get into his head through the fight, rough him up and push him about. Get worry signs going off in his head that he's struggling to deal with how big you are early.
Bang that body, he is faster, there's no doubt, you can slow him down if you manage to corner him and catch him with decent body attacks.
Don't throw everything into every shot like you were with Trout, you ended up tiring at times and only fighting in spurts, stay consistent and pace yourself a little better, you are going to have to get that extra 2 pounds off, for a guy thats struggling with 154 it can be a big factor, make sure you do not run out of energy early on, one of the main things that could happen is that he could end up outworking you at times to nick silly rounds here and there whilst you are recovering.
CUT THE RING OFF, DO NOT JUST FOLLOW HIM!! This is the most important point, you put everything else into play, but don't allow him to just fly back past you by simply following in his footsteps against him, cut the ring off, narrow his escape routes, push him about, rough him up, use the jab to set your attack up and hit that body and whenever you see a chance to catch him high go for the top of the head, you ain't hitting that chin, put it all into practice Canelo YOU CAN DO IT!
What would be yours?
AlexHuckerby- Posts : 9201
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Re: If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
That's not exactly ONE piece advice
Anyway I'd say the most important piece of advice is throw that jab from the start right to the end. He is naturally bigger and should see how Cotto and DLH had there best success with the jab and how his jab against Trout when thrown was normally pretty good
He needs to keep up the pressure and hit arms, elbows etc trying to slow him down and attack his body ad drain the life out of his older legs. Like you said don't load up and don't go head hunting as you will miss
Tough ask but he's (imo) the most likely person in boxing to beat Floyd
Anyway I'd say the most important piece of advice is throw that jab from the start right to the end. He is naturally bigger and should see how Cotto and DLH had there best success with the jab and how his jab against Trout when thrown was normally pretty good
He needs to keep up the pressure and hit arms, elbows etc trying to slow him down and attack his body ad drain the life out of his older legs. Like you said don't load up and don't go head hunting as you will miss
Tough ask but he's (imo) the most likely person in boxing to beat Floyd
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WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs- Posts : 3136
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Re: If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
turn up to the weigh in heavier than the 152lb limit floyd imposed.
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Re: If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
My advice would be to buy real estate with the millions......Can't go wrong with bricks and land......
Other advice would be to remember that he can't get thrown out in a superfight for foul play so watch Holmes v Spinks 2 to watch how Holmes leaned on Spinks whenever possible to drain his legs and kept pushing his head down........Making his heavier presence felt..
Forget the head and bang the body..........and try to make it a hot pace....
BUT THAT'S THE ADVICE ALL FLOYD OPPONENTS ARE GIVEN !!
Other advice would be to remember that he can't get thrown out in a superfight for foul play so watch Holmes v Spinks 2 to watch how Holmes leaned on Spinks whenever possible to drain his legs and kept pushing his head down........Making his heavier presence felt..
Forget the head and bang the body..........and try to make it a hot pace....
BUT THAT'S THE ADVICE ALL FLOYD OPPONENTS ARE GIVEN !!
TRUSSMAN66- Posts : 40528
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Re: If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
Don't let your stepfather judge the fight.
Re: If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
I was just asking for any advice really, WHU, but good advice
AlexHuckerby- Posts : 9201
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Re: If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
Canelo setting a hot paceTRUSSMAN66 wrote:My advice would be to buy real estate with the millions......Can't go wrong with bricks and land......
Other advice would be to remember that he can't get thrown out in a superfight for foul play so watch Holmes v Spinks 2 to watch how Holmes leaned on Spinks whenever possible to drain his legs and kept pushing his head down........Making his heavier presence felt..
Forget the head and bang the body..........and try to make it a hot pace....
BUT THAT'S THE ADVICE ALL FLOYD OPPONENTS ARE GIVEN !!
BoxingFan88- Posts : 3759
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Re: If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
Spinning back fist.....
SERIOUSLY!
SERIOUSLY!
ONETWOFOREVER- Posts : 5510
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Use the force...
BoxingFan88- Posts : 3759
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He's f****d If he doesn't....BoxingFan88 wrote:Canelo setting a hot paceTRUSSMAN66 wrote:My advice would be to buy real estate with the millions......Can't go wrong with bricks and land......
Other advice would be to remember that he can't get thrown out in a superfight for foul play so watch Holmes v Spinks 2 to watch how Holmes leaned on Spinks whenever possible to drain his legs and kept pushing his head down........Making his heavier presence felt..
Forget the head and bang the body..........and try to make it a hot pace....
BUT THAT'S THE ADVICE ALL FLOYD OPPONENTS ARE GIVEN !!
Why not try adding something yourself for once.....You might like contributing..
TRUSSMAN66- Posts : 40528
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Re: If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
Die your hair. You'll be less of a target for bullies.
jimdig- Posts : 1528
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Re: If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
Don't need to...Did it last week.....
He's not a bully......Too irrelevant..
He's not a bully......Too irrelevant..
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TRUSSMAN66- Posts : 40528
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Re: If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
The only reason this fight is of interest is because of canelo's size. The only question to be answered is whether canelo can make his size count. Floyd has been neutralizing size for a long time now, but had never given away 20 pounds before.
Jab, body, don't go head hunting is all sage advice, but it's noting new. I think he needs to swarm him, and try and keep him on the ropes and hope to connect anywhere. Just throw leather. Chances are he misses, never connects and looks sloppy losing a ud though.
Jab, body, don't go head hunting is all sage advice, but it's noting new. I think he needs to swarm him, and try and keep him on the ropes and hope to connect anywhere. Just throw leather. Chances are he misses, never connects and looks sloppy losing a ud though.
jimdig- Posts : 1528
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Sound advice Jim, also worth remembering most judges are morons and do not know the difference between aggression and effective aggression and score points for both so he could trick them into giving him points he does not deserve, much as I felt was the case in the Oscar fightjimdig wrote:
Jab, body, don't go head hunting is all sage advice, but it's noting new. I think he needs to swarm him, and try and keep him on the ropes and hope to connect anywhere. Just throw leather. Chances are he misses, never connects and looks sloppy losing a ud though.
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Re: If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
Hatton tried to swarm him but couldn't keep up the pace...
He's going to have to..
He's going to have to..
TRUSSMAN66- Posts : 40528
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Set a hot pace and attack the body. It worked for Castillo, well in everybodies eyes except the judges.
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Re: If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
Canelo is a lot better than Hatton and makes his well selected punches count. I don't see him tearing into Floyd. This one is a bit of a chess match. Interesting to consider but could be a stinker.
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Re: If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
...Strongback wrote:Set a hot pace and attack the body.
If I get it for writing that..you can too...
TRUSSMAN66- Posts : 40528
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Re: If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
Attack like Hagler did against Hearns. You'll probably run out of gas and still lose but at least it'll be exciting.
Atila- Posts : 1709
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Re: If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
Drop you weight on him, thumbs him in the eye, Low blows, elbows headbutts. In between crush his body and wrestle him around, tie him up and push him to the ground. Then maybe you'll win but I doubt it.
Re: If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
Stay away from Floyd... Makes for an ugly fight, but I wonder how well Floyd would do having to take the fight to guy who can bang... At the very least should leave him being able to claim a robbery...
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Canelo has a terrible work rate, he is economical with his punches, he lands most of what he throws. He doesn't throw much though.
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If he struggles to maintain his pace at 154, which he does, he could be badly struggling to keep it going at 152.
I like what you said about the jab, but I think aiming at the head is just as likely to hit air as the chin. Aim for the chest, as Pavlik was advised to to good effect vs Martinez.
I like what you said about the jab, but I think aiming at the head is just as likely to hit air as the chin. Aim for the chest, as Pavlik was advised to to good effect vs Martinez.
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Genuinly think that Canelos chances dissapeared when the catchweight was put in place, Floyd has never looked exceptional at 154 even against fighters far past there prime (Oscar De La Hoya and Cotto pushed him far further then they should have really) Canelo is a massive light middleweight, much bigger then both of them, I think having too take off another 2 pounds will take this advantage away. At 154 I think Canelo has the best chance that any fighter has of beating Floyd in years, however at 152 I can't see anything other then the typical dominant Mayweather UD that we've become accustomed too.
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Re: If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
I expect the Catchweight to become evident going down the stretch and Canelo to tire earlier, depends on whether he could have bagged those rounds to clinch the decision, or somehow caught him with a corker of a punch to put Floyds lights out.
You never know, if Canelo catches Floyd like Mosley did then he might finish it then and there.
You never know, if Canelo catches Floyd like Mosley did then he might finish it then and there.
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I believe that had Mosley been 7-8 years younger there's a good chance he could've finished Mayweather off. He really hurt Mayweather and it goes to show how great Floyd's conditioning is that he survived cos he was hurt bad.
Anyways..... If I was Saul's older brother to whom he looked upto. Well.. I'd tell him to disregard what he's achieved to date and approach this fight as if it's his last and that this is what he'll be remembered by.
Being his older brother/trainer ;-) I'd insist he'd use great head movement ala Tyson/Fraser and instill in him that he MUST..above all else not get frustrated. My tactics are for him to cut off the ring, keep a high defense with rapid head movement and unload to the body and arms. Do not even bother with the head but to feint or if he's visibly hurt. I honestly think this is the style he can use to beat floyd. What do you think?
Anyways..... If I was Saul's older brother to whom he looked upto. Well.. I'd tell him to disregard what he's achieved to date and approach this fight as if it's his last and that this is what he'll be remembered by.
Being his older brother/trainer ;-) I'd insist he'd use great head movement ala Tyson/Fraser and instill in him that he MUST..above all else not get frustrated. My tactics are for him to cut off the ring, keep a high defense with rapid head movement and unload to the body and arms. Do not even bother with the head but to feint or if he's visibly hurt. I honestly think this is the style he can use to beat floyd. What do you think?
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Re: If You Could Give Canelo Some Advice He'd Take On Board...
I believe that had Mosley been 7-8 years younger there's a good chance he could've finished Mayweather off. He really hurt Mayweather and it goes to show how great Floyd's conditioning is that he survived cos he was hurt bad.
Anyways..... If I was Saul's older brother to whom he looked upto. Well.. I'd tell him to disregard what he's achieved to date and approach this fight as if it's his last and that this is what he'll be remembered by.
Being his older brother/trainer ;-) I'd insist he'd use great head movement ala Tyson/Fraser and instill in him that he MUST..above all else not get frustrated. My tactics are for him to cut off the ring, keep a high defense with rapid head movement and unload to the body and arms. Do not even bother with the head but to feint or if he's visibly hurt. I honestly think this is the style he can use to beat floyd. What do you think?
Anyways..... If I was Saul's older brother to whom he looked upto. Well.. I'd tell him to disregard what he's achieved to date and approach this fight as if it's his last and that this is what he'll be remembered by.
Being his older brother/trainer ;-) I'd insist he'd use great head movement ala Tyson/Fraser and instill in him that he MUST..above all else not get frustrated. My tactics are for him to cut off the ring, keep a high defense with rapid head movement and unload to the body and arms. Do not even bother with the head but to feint or if he's visibly hurt. I honestly think this is the style he can use to beat floyd. What do you think?
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