Is there any year Chisora wouldnt have been a Top 20 talent?

Please note the question isnt regarding era, but rather a year. I mean sure Chisora isnt a future ATG, but I think he gets an unbelievable amount of stick regarding how far he has gone in boxing. Tex Cobb once got a title shot, as did Chuck Wepner. I just think its unfair to criticize Chisora (continuosly) when heavyweight boxing, even at its finest, has always found a way to gift fighters of Chisora's talent level a shot. I still havent seen anything, on video or on his resume (other than his 'ship victory) to suggest James Braddock was much better than Chisora, and he managed to be world champ!

Chisora in my view beats every HW out there apart from k2 and haye.

Chisora would be a top 20 in any year but then so would Fury and povetkin etc. It is difficult in any era/year to have 20 hw boxers better than chisora or fury or povetki etc

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Chisora in my view beats every HW out there apart from k2 and haye.

.....and Fury (who already comprehensively beat him).

azania wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Chisora in my view beats every HW out there apart from k2 and haye.

.....and Fury (who already comprehensively beat him).

That was over 3 years ago.

wlad Klitschko lost to purity so do you think purity beats klitschko now?

Fury has improved beyond recognition from the novice who schooled Del.

I don't think it would have been as comprehensive had del boy actually turned up in shape and actually wanting the fight. He was peed around by Wladamir for a long time before being told "oh your fighting that bum Tyson Fury".....id be the same as del boy....no work ethic, no dedication and no care in the world.....but after all that being said, he still nearly smashed Fury up in the second round.

An in shape and up for it Chisora stops Fury with a little left to spare.

Ah, that same tired old excuse. Please remember that Fury was hardly in shape himself so it cancels one another out and leaves the result based on skill. Fury won and is the better fighter.

AZ just looking for an argument, try not to bite.

Was Fury in shape? Simple yes or no will do.

Stop being such a plum.

azania wrote:Was Fury in shape? Simple yes or no will do.

Stop being such a plum.

fury is never in shape but when a guy who is 6ft outweighs a guy who is 6ft 9 by over 6lbs you know the guy who is 6ft is woefully out of shape.

Anyway why are you turning this debate into a who would win out of fury and chisora? I am pretty sure the OP was not looking for that debate and in the thread description he never even mentioned fury so I don't get why you are trying to turn the debate into a fury debate.

SO you admit Fury was not in shape when he beat Del. Thanks.

I was responding to your silly point that only K2 and Haye beats Del which is patently wrong. Wilder beats him also.

azania wrote:SO you admit Fury was not in shape when he beat Del. Thanks.

I was responding to your silly point that only K2 and Haye beats Del which is patently wrong. Wilder beats him also.

Once again why are you turning this thread into a discussion about Fury? start up a new thread if you want to discuss Fury's weight issues.

What is your problem? I was responding to YOUR initial post. Why is it that when you're proven wrong (often) you start whining like a little b!tch on heat?

azania wrote:What is your problem? I was responding to YOUR initial post. Why is it that when you're proven wrong (often) you start whining like a little b!tch on heat?

There woud be a lot less insults and petty arguments on this site if you was not here In fact the last few days or so when you have been away there has been no insults/ petty bickering.

Care to stick to the OP?

Are there more than 3 HWs who can beat Del?

Chisora is a good fighter, he's one of the Lou Nova's or tuffy Griffiths' of his generation. A guy with skills and heart that separate him from the chaff of domestic heavyweight competition but don't put him quite in the big boys league.

People like him will always get 'work' because he leaves it all in the ring and makes for entertaining fights.

Id agree, sitting.

I think the only heavyweights that beat him at present are Klitschkos and Haye.

I he beats Fury if they ever met again, he beat Helenius in everyones eyes except the corrupt judges, beat an upcoming unbeaten Malik Scott and i think he can beat Povetkin and Adamek.

Az, just because Fury already beat him, does not mean he will do it again. Marquez lost couldn't beat Manny, until he pancaked him in the 4th fight.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Id agree, sitting.

I think the only heavyweights that beat him at present are Klitschkos and Haye.

I he beats Fury if they ever met again, he beat Helenius in everyones eyes except the corrupt judges, beat an upcoming unbeaten Malik Scott and i think he can beat Povetkin and Adamek.

Az, just because Fury already beat him, does not mean he will do it again. Marquez lost couldn't beat Manny, until he pancaked him in the 4th fight.

I disagree mobile.

Firstly I dont think the Helenius fight was a robbery by any stretch of the imagination. Upon watching it with the knowledge that everyone was calling it a robbery, I was scratching my head to see where Del dominated rounds. It was a 50/50 fight IMO with the decision going hometown.

Fury has improved immensely since the last fight and nothing shows me that Del Boy has learnt anything new since that fight. He still plods forward and has a good engine. Fury has improved though (in some of his fights at least). I actually think Fury would stop him this time.

I actually think Wilder would beat him too. Wilder looked very good the other night - took a few jabs and was unfazed and then finished with an absolute bomb of a right. I would have liked to have seen more rounds but thats life. I dont think that Del Boy has anything to trouble Wilder, even at this stage.

Dont get me wrong, I like Chis but I dont think he is the 4th best heavy out there by a long way.

Be a good fight and benchmark for Wilder though if he did take on Chis Adam.

Wilder is yet to take on anybody live so to speak, and will be interesting to see how he deals with a pressure fighter.
I mean, David Haye punches like a mule and he took shots flush before being stopped. If he gets inside and roughs wilder up and works the body would be interesting to see how he copes.

The best way to describe Chisora is a Heavyweight Gate Keeper.....too good for the domestic crop but not good enough for the world title even though he gave a good account of himself against Vitali.

Chisora/Wilder is a complete unknown due to Wilder never fighting anyone or anything remotely like him. For starters he hasn't actually fought a guy with a well regarded chin, or anyone that can bring on pressure late and someone with actual head movement. Essentially a genuinely tough live opponent. We know what Chisora brings and that he although doesn't hit unbelievably hard for a Heavyweight, he can hit hard enough to stop opponents and stop them from gaining momentum, Wilder may well do a job on him but to me it's far too up in the air to say such a thing.

Regarding Chisora and Fury rematch with them both in shape I'd actually lean towards Chisora but again slightly up in the air, Chisora brings PRESSURE, he couldn't sustain any form of pressure due to being in no real shape. The one thing that Fury has countlessly shown is that he is next to useless when a fighter brings real genuine pressure to him, now he is in shape he may well cope with it slightly better however he does look pretty inept when dealing with it. The thing is with this is that Chisora usually gets better as the fight goes along, but in the first fight he gassed within a matter of minutes after actually rather easily getting to Fury due to Fury's serious defensive flaws in dealing with opponents coming straight after him and cutting off the ring. My opinion, Chisora gets to Fury someway around midway, I don't think Fury hits anywhere near hard enough to seriously worry Chisora aswell.

I'd have to say around 1970-1975 he would possibly be outside the top 20

Ali
Liston
Frazier
Foreman
Quarry
Chuvalo
Bonavena
Patterson
Ellis
Bugner
Terrell
Lyle
Norton
Shavers
Bobick
Young
Holmes

I struggle to Chisora beating any of the above, there is a few others I probably missed, the likes of Holmes and Norton were near the relative start of their top level careers whereas Liston was certainly near the end.

Is there any year Chisora wouldnt have been a Top 20 talent?


Yeah, this year.

Chisora isn't rated in the Top 15 by the WBC, WBA, IBF or WBO.

Strongback wrote: Is there any year Chisora wouldnt have been a Top 20 talent?


Yeah, this year.

Chisora isn't rated in the Top 15 by the WBC, WBA, IBF or WBO.

He is by the IBO...

http://www.iboboxing.com/rankings/heavy.html

And the IBU.....

http://www.ibu.org

When do we take any notice of IBO and IBU rankings? The problem is obviously too many opinions / organisations, as has been said many times in the past. We should amongest ourselves agree which listing we will use and then it is consistent. The Ring listings anyone: -

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/heavyweight

STC wrote:

Strongback wrote: Is there any year Chisora wouldnt have been a Top 20 talent?


Yeah, this year.

Chisora isn't rated in the Top 15 by the WBC, WBA, IBF or WBO.

He is by the IBO...

http://www.iboboxing.com/rankings/heavy.html

And the IBU.....

http://www.ibu.org

Also worth pointing out that the question was top 20, not top 15..

Gentleman01 wrote:

STC wrote:

Strongback wrote: Is there any year Chisora wouldnt have been a Top 20 talent?


Yeah, this year.

Chisora isn't rated in the Top 15 by the WBC, WBA, IBF or WBO.

He is by the IBO...

http://www.iboboxing.com/rankings/heavy.html

And the IBU.....

http://www.ibu.org

Also worth pointing out that the question was top 20, not top 15..

And he did recently KO (although technically speaking he didn't) "The Heavyweight Floyd Mayweather", so he should be in everyone's Top 5, at least.

There was a guy on the BBC 606 that had sparred with Chisora on several occassions.
I recall he wasnt very complimentary of Chisora's ability.

J.Benson II wrote:There was a guy on the BBC 606 that had sparred with Chisora on several occassions.
I recall he wasnt very complimentary of Chisora's ability.

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