Mobile Phone Video Footage Of The Stoppage From A Great Angle

Have a look at the video.  It clearly shows the punches that landed just before the ref stepped in.

From the grassy knoll?

Actually that angle emphasises that on top of the stoppage being a poor one, Foster also made a hash of protecting Groves once he decided to step in.

confirms it is a poor stoppage.

The first punch in that video is a punch that gets through Groves high guard, highlighting Groves had his hands up protecting himself. The second punch that froch lands is during an exchange where both fighters are throwing punches, highlighting groves is fighting back.

Poor stoppage.

Good view, although we only need to see slow motion HD footage to see how flush and hard the punches were.

We'll have live video replays next, while they fight.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Good view, although we only need to see slow motion HD footage to see how flush and hard the punches were.

How would slow-mo tell you whether the punches were hard or not?

Personally as proper fans I would prefer if we focused on what a great fight it was and quoting Dougie Fisher.. We were robbed of a definitive finish to the fight, be it Froch coming through total adversity to record one of the great domestic comeback of all time or for Groves to somehow weather the cobras incessant onslaught and earn a courageous victory in the most hard fought of manners.

Sadly, as I've said umpteen times, we will never know (unless the rematch goes the same way but next time expect the ref to let them go until one is unconscious). I, like others, are on the side of the fence that Froch was in the midst of breaking Groves and was walking through shots like only he can seemingly do late on in fights.

One thing I've not been to sure about is why Groves pretty much falls in to the ref with his hands hanging down. But nevermind

Agree with C_S though, to me this still shows a soft stoppage.

Joke of a stoppage now let's all go to the lobbbbby and get ourselves some snacks :-)

Toppy, look at his reaction to the straight right hand where his knees went.....that's hard. Then left hook that shook his head, clearly hard.

Its over now anyway.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Toppy, look at his reaction to the straight right hand where his knees went.....that's hard. Then left hook that shook his head, clearly hard.

Its over now anyway.

Lol I was being facetious in fairness.

Still, summarises the point nicely. They do look like two hard shots, but no harder than way more than two Froch had had to absorb in the fight till then. Difference is Froch is the iron-chinned warrior so was always allowed to carry on but Groves is the 'chinny' one therefore the first couple of big shots that landed the ref piled in.

mobilemaster8 wrote:
Its over now anyway.

Well that's that then.

The shot Groves floored Froch with in the first looked a lot worse to me......

catchweight wrote:The shot Groves floored Froch with in the first looked a lot worse to me......

anyone got a clip of that??

What? Froch went over...was it called a slip?

No!! Meant it as a genuine question, haven't seen it sober so wanted to refresh my memory!!

TopHat24/7 wrote:No!! Meant it as a genuine question, haven't seen it sober so wanted to refresh my memory!!

Dude, the fight was on Saturday, you need professional help

haha

exactly, Saturday night, I was pretty peed at the time!

plus didn't have it recorded like I did the Manny fight so couldn't rewatch the next day when sober!

Izzi wrote:Personally as proper fans I would prefer if we focused on what a great fight it was and quoting Dougie Fisher.. We were robbed of a definitive finish to the fight, be it Froch coming through total adversity to record one of the great domestic comeback of all time or for Groves to somehow weather the cobras incessant onslaught and earn a courageous victory in the most hard fought of manners.

I think Dougie's Monday Mailbag is the best take I've seen on the fight so far. Worth a read particularly as he is impartial.

He went down like a sack of spuds. Didn't think he would get up.

Rumour has it he was unconscious!!

Iron man

Eh?

Just watched it (again) now on a very sketchy quality youtube vid, pretty heavy kd, great shot, gets up on very wobbly legs and stumbles back into the ropes but seems to compose himself ok.

seanmichaels wrote:

Izzi wrote:Personally as proper fans I would prefer if we focused on what a great fight it was and quoting Dougie Fisher.. We were robbed of a definitive finish to the fight, be it Froch coming through total adversity to record one of the great domestic comeback of all time or for Groves to somehow weather the cobras incessant onslaught and earn a courageous victory in the most hard fought of manners.

I think Dougie's Monday Mailbag is the best take I've seen on the fight so far. Worth a read particularly as he is impartial.

"I thought it was a very premature stoppage, among the worst I’ve seen in recent years. "

Quite right.

Strongback wrote:Have a look at the video.  It clearly shows the punches that landed just before the ref stepped in.

actually you do not see all the punches in that clip as he also took a few leading up to that..

But what I notice here is you see the Reff looking in closely, and its only when Groves slumps towards the reff he holds him, then waves it off..

From the Reffs perspective I think he first tried to defend Groves from getting hit again by covering him, then I guess he had no choice to wave it off as he could not give him a standing count.

In hind site he should have not held Groves and seen if he went down, if he went down he should have given him his 10 seconds, then gave him another go to recover... if he did not go down then he should have waited to see if he managed to turn around and get his guard back up...

But Like I have said, Groves was done for, he may not have lost conciousness, but he was not able to fend Froch off and Froch was going to keep landing those shots you see, as you see Froch follow after Groves as the Reff defends Groves.

In hind sight he shouldn't have went anywhere near Groves. Full stop.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

catchweight wrote:The shot Groves floored Froch with in the first looked a lot worse to me......

anyone got a clip of that??

Go to 2:30...

Great shot but people comparing it to the stoppage are being stupid IMO... For sure if the bell did not go Froch may well of got him self in the deep trouble, But he got back to his feet, had his 10 count, then came forward (not backward) looked to exchanged punches where Groves missed with a right, threw another jab, then got him with a right just before the bell went and another after the bell went... all as Froch was coming forward him self.

The fact that people say it was worse to me shows a level of bias.... Although had the round gone on for another 30 seconds Groves would have stopped Froch I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntIHiqrraUM

Imagine Foster reffing a Gatti fight

This is where the trouble for Groves started

go to 0:18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6bBhXpZnsI

Groves is going toe to toe with Froch as Froch is now walking through his shots, and from 0:18 Froch takes control of it.
Froch lands a big right to Groves temple (dont see it very clear here) that Hurts Groves and its from that point he is in trouble .. he lands another to the head, an upper cut and some others that just his Groves guard... At this point Groves is holding on trying to servive as Froch keeps trying to land and shake him off..

The reff then splits them up and restarts play...  and Froch goes on to throw about 5 clean shots...  going in for the kill, and Groves then slumps into Froch as he tries to push him off, and then towards the side away from Froch where the Reff grabs him....  and stops it early.

Very early...

tunes666 wrote:This is where the trouble for Groves started

go to 0:18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6bBhXpZnsI

Groves is going toe to toe with Froch as Froch is now walking through his shots, and from 0:18 Froch takes control of it.
Froch lands a big right to Groves temple (dont see it very clear here) that Hurts Groves and its from that point he is in trouble .. he lands another to the head, an upper cut and some others that just his Groves guard... At this point Groves is holding on trying to servive as Froch keeps trying to land and shake him off..

The reff then splits them up and restarts play...  and Froch goes on to throw about 5 clean shots...  going in for the kill, and Groves then slumps into Froch as he tries to push him off, and then towards the side away from Froch where the Reff grabs him....  and stops it early.

 

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

catchweight wrote:The shot Groves floored Froch with in the first looked a lot worse to me......

anyone got a clip of that??

Go to 2:30...

Great shot but people comparing it to the stoppage are being stupid IMO... For sure if the bell did not go Froch may well of got him self in the deep trouble, But he got back to his feet, had his 10 count, then came forward (not backward) looked to exchanged punches where Groves missed with a right, threw another jab, then got him with a right just before the bell went and another after the bell went...  all as Froch was coming forward him self.

The fact that people say it was worse to me shows a level of bias.... Although had the round gone on for another 30 seconds Groves would have stopped Froch I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntIHiqrraUM

Froch goes forwards because he'd already gone back and stumbled into the ropes - no other direction for him to go!!

Agree it's different to the stoppage, but stop sugar coating, Tunes.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Very early...

No, IMO just early, 5 or 10 seconds early.

The commentator, is even saying Froch has to stop him here, before he lands about 4 or 5 punches...

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

catchweight wrote:The shot Groves floored Froch with in the first looked a lot worse to me......

anyone got a clip of that??

Go to 2:30...

Great shot but people comparing it to the stoppage are being stupid IMO... For sure if the bell did not go Froch may well of got him self in the deep trouble, But he got back to his feet, had his 10 count, then came forward (not backward) looked to exchanged punches where Groves missed with a right, threw another jab, then got him with a right just before the bell went and another after the bell went...  all as Froch was coming forward him self.

The fact that people say it was worse to me shows a level of bias.... Although had the round gone on for another 30 seconds Groves would have stopped Froch I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntIHiqrraUM

Froch goes forwards because he'd already gone back and stumbled into the ropes - no other direction for him to go!!

Agree it's different to the stoppage, but stop sugar coating, Tunes.

No, I am taking about after his 10 count he comes forward to Groves with his fists up and a grin on his face...  nothing to do with Ropes.... point being that Groves was running to get away, Froch was still looking to engage before he was saved by the bell.

not a suger coat at all

I'm a Groves fan & badly wanted him to win, I was absolutely disgusted by the stoppage at the time, but having watched it back a few times since I can really see the ref's point

in the split second between Groves turning away & the ref grabbing him he was gone, he didn't know where he was, a couple of seconds later he's against the ropes arguing with the ref and seemed to have his senses back.

But in that split second when the ref grabs him Froch was ready to jump in with a left uppercut which Groves would have had no defense against.

Imagine the ref's not there, for me Froch could have hurt him in that moment & he wouldn't have given Groves that moment to recover

What doesn't help is the biased refereeing throughout the fight before hand, I'd love to hear how Foster justifies not taking points from Froch

World title fights should be refereed by a foreign ref

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17m4w9_froch-vs-groves-the-stoppage_sport

This is a far better quality view of the stoppage. Clearly Groves was in trouble, but no way does he deserve to be stopped like that, ref should have held back longer.

Great footage.

Shows he only lands two genuinely troubling blows (GG is either fighting back/engaging or actively defending everything else prior) and the ref chucks himself on top of GG.

Definite sugar coating to call that otherwise....

Ironically GG might have benefitted from hitting the deck, at least then the ref couldn't have cheated him out of a count.

That other angle just shows Groves fighting back even better than the normal angle, universally acclaimed terrible stoppage (except by a couple of people on here and Froch's Girlfriend and Mum).

Volcanicash wrote:https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17m4w9_froch-vs-groves-the-stoppage_sport

This is a far better quality view of the stoppage.  Clearly Groves was in trouble, but no way does he deserve to be stopped like that, ref should have held back longer.

thanks for posting the link. Shows groves was always defending himself and actually landed a head shot himself in the trade off. poor stoppage.

hogey wrote:That other angle just shows Groves fighting back even better than the normal angle, universally acclaimed terrible stoppage (except by a couple of people on here and Froch's Girlfriend and Mum).

In fairness she can think whatever the hell she wants..... 

TopHat24/7 wrote:

hogey wrote:That other angle just shows Groves fighting back even better than the normal angle, universally acclaimed terrible stoppage (except by a couple of people on here and Froch's Girlfriend and Mum).

In fairness she can think whatever the hell she wants..... 

Too be fair she was caught out by the surprise stoppage herself and had to jump off my bed and run home before Carl got back  

tunes666 wrote:This is where the trouble for Groves started

go to 0:18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6bBhXpZnsI

Groves is going toe to toe with Froch as Froch is now walking through his shots, and from 0:18 Froch takes control of it.
Froch lands a big right to Groves temple (dont see it very clear here) that Hurts Groves and its from that point he is in trouble .. he lands another to the head, an upper cut and some others that just his Groves guard... At this point Groves is holding on trying to servive as Froch keeps trying to land and shake him off..

The reff then splits them up and restarts play...  and Froch goes on to throw about 5 clean shots...  going in for the kill, and Groves then slumps into Froch as he tries to push him off, and then towards the side away from Froch where the Reff grabs him....  and stops it early.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17m4w9_froch-vs-groves-the-stoppage_sport

only 2 clean shots land and groves lands a clean shot himself. Groves is always defending himself with his high guard and at the end Froch pulls Groves head (illegal move) which makes groves stumble into the ref.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Great footage.

Shows he only lands two genuinely troubling blows

the Irony of you talking about suger coating, he landed 5 shots, 3 were bombs.. You also see how hurt Groves was..

have a look again and as you see Groves stumbling forward, go ahead and predict what would have happened if the reff was not there????  

I predict Froch would have followed him to the side and landed another 2 or 3 shots quite easily.

So while it was a early stoppage I find it funny that people are making out he was not on the way, and yes Im not one to jump on a band waggon.

Tunes mate, you are seeing something different to almost everybody who has seen it. All about opinions i know but i would question mine if it was so far removed from 95% of people that watched it.

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Great footage.

Shows he only lands two genuinely troubling blows

the Irony of you talking about suger coating, he landed 5 shots, 3 were bombs.. You also see how hurt Groves was..

have a look again and as you see Groves stumbling forward, go ahead and predict what would have happened if the reff was not there????  

I predict Froch would have followed him to the side and landed another 2 or 3 shots quite easily.

So while it was a early stoppage I find it funny that people are making out he was not on the way, and yes Im not one to jump on a band waggon.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17m4w9_froch-vs-groves-the-stoppage_sport

using that link can you tell me the seconds that froch landed these 3 bombs. It looks like 2 bombs to me and one shot which when looking at the replay lands on the inside of the shoulder.

Groves also lands a big bomb himself during the exchange and groves always has his guard up high protecting himself.

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Great footage.

Shows he only lands two genuinely troubling blows

the Irony of you talking about suger coating, he landed 5 shots, 3 were bombs.. You also see how hurt Groves was..

have a look again and as you see Groves stumbling forward, go ahead and predict what would have happened if the reff was not there????  

I predict Froch would have followed him to the side and landed another 2 or 3 shots quite easily.

So while it was a early stoppage I find it funny that people are making out he was not on the way, and yes Im not one to jump on a band waggon.

Please pull your head out your backside and note C_S's posts.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:This is where the trouble for Groves started

go to 0:18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6bBhXpZnsI

Groves is going toe to toe with Froch as Froch is now walking through his shots, and from 0:18 Froch takes control of it.
Froch lands a big right to Groves temple (dont see it very clear here) that Hurts Groves and its from that point he is in trouble .. he lands another to the head, an upper cut and some others that just his Groves guard... At this point Groves is holding on trying to servive as Froch keeps trying to land and shake him off..

The reff then splits them up and restarts play...  and Froch goes on to throw about 5 clean shots...  going in for the kill, and Groves then slumps into Froch as he tries to push him off, and then towards the side away from Froch where the Reff grabs him....  and stops it early.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17m4w9_froch-vs-groves-the-stoppage_sport

only 2 clean shots land and groves lands a clean shot himself. Groves is always defending himself with his high guard and at the end Froch pulls Groves head (illegal move) which makes groves stumble into the ref.

False, I guess you look away from the screen when it suits you, here let me help..

21 - Lands a left to the side of the head which actually catches him towards the back of the head as Groves head tilts down..
25 - left hand Jab to the face that brakes through the guard following by a stiff right to the face through the middle.
29 - Misses with a left that just catches Groves shoulder as Groves misses him self
31 - Lands a clean Right, while Groves misses again
36 - leads in with a left Jab that catches Groves glove and then followed in by a Clean Right between the gloves sending Groves head back, Groves comes back with a left to the body that misses.
40 - Lands a clean left, beating Groves to the punch.
42 - Lands with a clean right as Groves misses with a left
45 - Groves pushes carl away and leans forward as Carl steps back, he then falls towards the Reff, who then covers him and calls it over early, before Carl gets the chance to go after him to land more.

There were 10 punches that Froch Threw,  he landed 7, and 5 of them where power shots, at least 3 of them flush.

If you really want to you can say Groves landed one shot although it had no power as he had just taken a clean right from Froch.

And like my previous post shows, the clip you have posted only shows the second part of where George was hurt, not the start of it which I think is relevant to the stoppage.

Hope that helps

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Great footage.

Shows he only lands two genuinely troubling blows

the Irony of you talking about suger coating, he landed 5 shots, 3 were bombs.. You also see how hurt Groves was..

have a look again and as you see Groves stumbling forward, go ahead and predict what would have happened if the reff was not there????  

I predict Froch would have followed him to the side and landed another 2 or 3 shots quite easily.

So while it was a early stoppage I find it funny that people are making out he was not on the way, and yes Im not one to jump on a band waggon.

Please pull your head out your backside and note C_S's posts.

I like my head just where it is thanks

Dont try and bully your opinions on me and say I got my head up my arse because it does not work...

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Great footage.

Shows he only lands two genuinely troubling blows

the Irony of you talking about suger coating, he landed 5 shots, 3 were bombs.. You also see how hurt Groves was..

have a look again and as you see Groves stumbling forward, go ahead and predict what would have happened if the reff was not there????  

I predict Froch would have followed him to the side and landed another 2 or 3 shots quite easily.

So while it was a early stoppage I find it funny that people are making out he was not on the way, and yes Im not one to jump on a band waggon.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17m4w9_froch-vs-groves-the-stoppage_sport

using that link can you tell me the seconds that froch landed these 3 bombs. It looks like 2 bombs to me and one shot which when looking at the replay lands on the inside of the shoulder.

Groves also lands a big bomb himself during the exchange.

Thank-you C_S.

Typing as I watch (think link), the first thing is two cracking shots landed by Froch, he then holds and pulls Groves' head as he tries to land - but fail because Groves' gloves are up defending himself. That's when the fight ends.

The link the shows the lead-up. First Froch misses a shot that goes too high, lightly scuffing the top of GG's bonce, throws a straight right landing on GG's glove, then a big left which lands on the inside of GG's left shoulder as GG throws his own big left (which also misses), Froch then throws two good straight punches, each landing on the button, but neither wiping GG out, GG throws back his own big punches (a right that misses and a left to the button),

As that left to the button lands Froch lands his money punch on GG, followed by another good straight right, Froch then holds Groves' head whilst he is covering up and rolls him into Foster who wraps his arms round him and calls the end of the fight.

That is, quite literally, a blow by blow account of how the fight ended.

For the love of god I hope Tunes is never in a position to officiate a boxing match. Clearly it will be ended the first time the fighters exchange punches as apparently any shot that lands is a hospitalising career ending bomb.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Great footage.

Shows he only lands two genuinely troubling blows

the Irony of you talking about suger coating, he landed 5 shots, 3 were bombs.. You also see how hurt Groves was..

have a look again and as you see Groves stumbling forward, go ahead and predict what would have happened if the reff was not there????  

I predict Froch would have followed him to the side and landed another 2 or 3 shots quite easily.

So while it was a early stoppage I find it funny that people are making out he was not on the way, and yes Im not one to jump on a band waggon.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17m4w9_froch-vs-groves-the-stoppage_sport

using that link can you tell me the seconds that froch landed these 3 bombs. It looks like 2 bombs to me and one shot which when looking at the replay lands on the inside of the shoulder.

Groves also lands a big bomb himself during the exchange.

Thank-you C_S.

Typing as I watch (think link), the first thing is two cracking shots landed by Froch, he then holds and pulls Groves' head as he tries to land - but fail because Groves' gloves are up defending himself. That's when the fight ends.

The link the shows the lead-up.  First Froch misses a shot that goes too high, lightly scuffing the top of GG's bonce, throws a straight right landing on GG's glove, then a big left which lands on the inside of GG's left shoulder as GG throws his own big left (which also misses), Froch then throws two good straight punches, each landing on the button, but neither wiping GG out, GG throws back his own big punches (a right that misses and a left to the button),

As that left to the button lands Froch lands his money punch on GG, followed by another good straight right, Froch then holds Groves' head whilst he is covering up and rolls him into Foster who wraps his arms round him and calls the end of the fight.

That is, quite literally, a blow by blow account of how the fight ended.

Seems pretty accurate. What is also accurate is that froch holds and pulls down on Grove's head right at the end which makes Groves go into the ref.