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INFORMATION
Old Site: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A84388378
Head Coach: Bathite
Forwards Coach: Danny Grewcock
Backs Coach: Mike Catt

FIXTURES

Heineken: Finished 2nd in Group
1. Ospreys (A) 25-18 (L)
2. Clermont (H) 29-20 (W)
2nd in Group - Challenge Cup

Challenge Cup: Winner
Semi-Final: Leinster (N) 30-31 (W)
Final: Stade Francais (N) 21-30 (W)

Knockout Cup: 1st Round Loss
1st Round. Highlanders (A) 25-22 (L)

League: 4th
Record: P22 W13 D3 L6
1. Leinster (A) 26-19 (L)
2. Northampton (H) 23-22 (W)
3. Ospreys (A) 32-19 (L)
4. Toulouse (A) 30-16 (L)
5. Highlanders (H) 22-24 (L) LBP
6. Stade (A) 22-22 (D)
7. Toulon (H) 28-17 (W)
8. Bath (A) 28-26 (W)
9. Biarritz (H) 31-23 (W) WBP
10. Clermont (A) 19-31 (W) WBP
11. Leicester (H) 27-20 (W)
12. Leinster (H) 30-22 (W) WBP
13. Northampton (A) 33-20 (W) WBP
14. Ospreys (H) 29-29 (D)
15. Toulouse (H) 25-28 (L) LBP
16. Highlanders (A) 27-25 (L) LBP
17. Stade (H) 31-22 (W) WBP
18. Toulon (A) 19-33 (W) WBP
19. Bath (H) 32-22 (W) WBP
20. Biarritz (A) 21-27 (W)
21. Clermont (H) 20-0 (W)
22. Leicester (A) 23-23 (D)



MATCHDAY

Position	Strongest Squad
1	S.Tonga'uia
2	B.Du Plessis
3	O.Franks
4	L.Nallet
5	P.Albacete
6	R.Elsom
7	S.Burger
8	S.Parisse
9	J.Cowan
10	N.Evans
11	H.Gear
12	M.Nonu
13	J.Fourie
14	D.Mitchell
15	I.Toeava
16	R.Roncero
17	P.Dixon
18	R.M-Chluski
19	M.Bergamasco
20	R.Wigglesworth
21	B.James
22	C.Heymans

FIRST TEAM SQUAD

Hookers: 2
Props: 5
Lock: 4
Back Row: 7
Half Backs: 4
Centres: 3
Back Three: 5
Squad Size: 29 (29 Available)

Forwards

Name	Position	Nationality	Squad Status	Value
Soane Tonga'uia	LH	Tonga	Key Player
Rodrigo Roncero	LH	Arg	First Team
Wyatt Crockett	LH	NZ	First Team
Owen Franks	TH/LH	NZ	Invaluable	Not For Sale
Matt Stevens	TH/LH	Eng	First Team	INJ
Bismarck Du Plessis	HK	SA	Invaluable	Not For Sale
Pieter Dixon	HK	Zimb	Back Up	£10m
Lionel Nallet	LK	France	Key Player
Patricio Albacete	LK	Argentina	Key Player
Romain Millo-Chluski	LK	France	First Team
Julien Pierre	LK	France	Rotation
Rocky Elsom	BS/N8	Australia	Invaluable
Schalk Burger	OS/BS/N8	SA	Invaluable	Not For Sale
Sergio Parisse	N8	Italy	Invaluable	Not For Sale
Mirco Bergamasco	OS/BS	Italy	First Team
Wycliff Palu	N8/BS	Australia	First Team
Thomas Waldrom	N8/BS	NZ	Rotation	£18m
Matt Todd	OS/BS	NZ	Rotation

Backs

Name	Position	Nationality	Squad Status	Value
Jimmy Cowan	SH	NZ	Key Player
Richard Wigglesworth	SH	England	First Team	£14m
Nick Evans	FH	NZ	Invaluable	Not For Sale
Butch James	FH/IC	SA	Rotation
Ma'a Nonu	IC/OC/WG	NZ	Invaluable	Not For Sale
Jacque Fourie	OC/IC/WG	SA	Invaluable	Not For Sale
Brad Barritt	IC	England	Rotation
Hosea Gear	WG	NZ	Invaluable	Not For Sale
Drew Mitchell	WG/FB	Aus	Invaluable	Not For Sale
Isaia Toeava	FB/WG/OC	NZ	Key Player
Cedric Heymans	WG/FB	France	First Team
Ben Smith	FB/WG	NZ	First Team

INJURIES
Ma'a Nonu HEALED
Rocky Elsom HEALED
Matt Stevens

FINANCES
Budget: £5m

ok dude hit me with a deal for Dowson . . . what you offering?

Bathite - you're a little legend!

I'll get my predictions in by lunch. For MOTM I usually allocate 3 points to a 1st place, 2 points for 2nd and 1 point for 3rd.. if that makes sense?

I've updated the statistics also.

I would be happier with £10

I may do slade at a later date - but at the moment I think I need him . . .

I would stretch to

Halpenny & £13mil
for
Dowson & Slade

inquiry?

yet again I think I am giving you a good deal there!!!

actually what am i doing!!!!!!

I will do slade but at a later point - sorry, its your peer pressure lol

Dowson - £10 mil ?????

ok so you don't want him now lol ok - thats cool

I have to keep slade for a bit as he covers pretty much everywhere . . . I could let Myler go if you were interested?

Halfpenny + Kahui
=
Williams + Roberts

Enq

Lawes >(>) Thion/AWJ
FdP => Cowan
Halfpenny > Williams

'=>' that means greatly one sided, not equal lol

would you now . . . . lol

well feel free to put in an offer.
mind you if I got JDP would you want him for your saffa front row?

that not close mate sorry

might do - but would you not want JDP?

sorry dude lost where we got too??

am in talks regarding wilkinson at the moment for Franks possibly. which means I would keep mooj

what are you offering again - lookonig at your side can't see you wanting to part with any of your big playesr so can't see a deal

Franks is the man its true but mooj, jdp, tonga are all top quality props.

a sickpart of me wants to see the franks boys together even if its not in my team

Not going to be able to predict, in the lakes with the ball and chain so dipping in and out while she shops.

when you say dipping in and out, I hope you mean the internet or a swimming pool and not some lakeside totty

DOC+Stevens
4
Bekker+Franks

hahahahaha funny

bekker >>> Doc
franks >>> stevens

doc is a good player - am pulling your pud, but think bekker is better? do you not?

well i had only thought about DOC for the combo with POC - i am willing to move POC on but it would need a very good offer - was going to be talking to pull about a deal as he's after him as well . . .

if you are interested in him you may want to try a deal now to see whats what before going for DOC

nah - you go for it lets see where it goes!!! lol

well its a start i suppose but no.
Its going to have to be big in return for POC
for me strettle & halpenny not much difference and Thion & jones not on par with POC

good start though

think he may cost you a top back really.

mate you can't expect to get POC for a lesser player, thats not silly. if you want class you need to use class to get it!

Anything for AWJ?

Nallet, Thion, AWJ is tops for second row mate. I wasn't looking to lose Russouw or Thorn - wanted AWJ for backup.

Any scope for a Russouw/Nallet deal?

mate I am now considering keeping Franks as i havent heard back from driver inages -

I would be looking if your still interested for Stevens & cash in return?

no probs if not

cripes . . . ok well for POC coming your way need to know who you would be willing to deal with from your squad, no point in me picking names you wont deal

ha!

nah going to keep Franks at the moment . . . moooj I may still do?

mooj only injured for the next round and he's going to be so much higher rated that stevens on here.

I wold do mooo for stevens + cash but that would be it.

am afraid franks probably not going anywhere, even for stevens and £20 million!! at the moment Driver was close you could tag Kahui on that and I am not going to take it even though it would be a monster deal!!

sorry bro

£20mil stevens + Kahui
------------------------------
no i meant you could offer that and I wouldn't bite at the moment.
Driver was something like JDP, £18 and some other stuff, but had dowson going the other way as well or something like that.

as for Bekker for DOC
bekker > Doc IMO so wouldn't do that and do cash as well lol

I would consider DOC in a deal I suppose, as I do have POC - welcome to come back with something else?

Mujati - DOC in some deal of sorts maybe?

Morning Bathite.

Saw your message im no longer part of the game as you know, but I will stick around to join in convo's and stuff.

I think O'Callaghan is your best bet for a foreign lock, I really like Boric and im loving Hargreaves this season but O'Callaghan is definitely your best bet.

For prop I have just come on to read through comments and bear might be right to some extent Afoa is very good, we all know that, then I think your best buys from there on overall quality or form wise would be Slipper and Tialata. From there maybe look at the experience duo of Somerville and Van der Linde, people said Somerville wasn't that good but going by predictions when I brought him last season it seemed some of them did also a good thing about them is they can play both sides of the scrum. But looking at the comments on the homepage I think it would be best trying to get a tighthead off of someone in this game, who is just a bit better than Kubriashvilli. Try get Cole back off Sam or Adam Jones off Steven, Castro could work as sadly to say he hasn't had the best of season's but would still be rated.

Hope that helps mate.

JDO not rated - slightly odd. He is a good player and he would only have been a sub.

anyway by the by . . . still don't know what to do with my team. Need a decent set of backs i suppose!

yeah I thought about CJ

But I have 4 props and 3 hookers now
advantage of Aled Malmanche as a decent back up player

yeah shaem basts isn't rated, hes top draw imo

and I can t play banahan there unilt he's had his briliant world cup leaves me a bit cold as hensonis also world class but not rated until he does something special again!! lets see this weekend

cool see you got Boric in - good deal that, gives you 3 decent locks and 1 ok back up in AWJ.

I am thinking about going for DOC but after all teh talk am not sure, I think I would be ok as having POC people seem to like that combo. But I am in agreement it's strange people don't rate him higher? So boric was teh right choice I think for you.

yeah having AWJ as 4th choice is no mean thing! I know people don't rate him massively but as 4th choice for you its good.
I like Nallet as well and for me one of the top combo's is Nallet and Thion.

as for prop don't think I need another
Franks, Tonga, Moooooooooji, and Malmanche think thats enough for now. I do however desperately need some centers and possibly another winger but don't know how I am going to get them. am stuck really! I took over a mishmash side really!

as for locks I do want to get a decent 3rd choice or DOC as day just doesn't cut the mustard!

It's why i considered drivers offer, ok I loose Franks but I get JDP who would become 3rd choice with tonga & mooj first team and on top of that £18 mil which chould help me get DOC or a possible center?

what do youthink?

AWJ > Thiom

He's a lot better than Thion. Does anyone have Thion in there top 25?

yeah I have great strength there . . .
well for someone of Hores calibre I would be looking for a top player in return, you don't have to do a 2 or 3 player offer I would consider

Hore
for
A Back/centre/winger

although my suggestion for you if your after a good hooker would be to sell 1 or 2 lesser players like Dixon and spend the cash on Lee Mears, I was going to but him he's only £12 in releases - I may still buy him

InTheFastLane wrote:He's a lot better than Thion. Does anyone have Thion in there top 25?

I do with Nallet he's an amazing combo, he gets overlooked by lieveramont and any other manager would have him inthe starting french line up he's been imense

yeah mate sounds sensible - I would defor go for Mears if I was you, he's a top hooker thats been overlooked, england number 2 easily.

think he's rated ok on here, obviously people don't see him up there with the morres, hores, hartleys and mealamus but he's certainly 100% better than dixon.

Ayerza + Skrela + kirchener
=
Stevens + Goode + Halfpenny

That any good?

Can't really lose a fourth prop, don't have many as it is!

Yeah I'm keen on the rest if you are, also anything for Kahui as well?

Can't really lose a fourth prop, don't have many as it is!

Yeah I'm keen on the rest if you are, also anything for Kahui as well?

I would not be happy with losing Woodcock, my dream of a New Zealand team isn't going to work so im going to forget all about that.

Not keen on Steenkamp, will look for a New Zealand front three see if I can maybe clinch a signing of Afoa or Tialata. Looking to get a better lock in though so let's try something along these lines?

Boric & Kahui & Maitland
4
Williams & Evans & Poitrenaud

Thanks

Kahui ain't that good and Poitrenaud and Maitland, Maitland has only come to form for one season while Poitrenaud has been around for years.

I just need to improve at lock or centre.

If you can see anything for Boric or Kahui let me know.

I also have Deacon if you prefer him?

Can't lose Lawes sorry. Hoe about;

Ansbro + Kirchener +Ayerza + Skrela
=
Kahui + Halfpenny +Kurb/Stevens + Goode

Enq

Thion and Wyn Jones no thanks.

Im thinking Boric 4 Jack as there wasn't much between them in ratings, but Williams also creeped into some top 25's. I need a better lock or Kahui with some or one gain going your way.

Can you think?

Only can see Boric as an improvement really. Jack is on form, Williams I have to say played a blinder yesterday his line out takes were first class and Deacon has had an excellent season with Tigers.

Still interested in Maitland aswell and Kahui, but Woodcock is not for sale im afraid looking to get an All Black front three.

Boric & Kahui & Barritt
4
Deacon & Lambie & Evans

ummm?