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Post by George Carlin Mon 01 Dec 2014, 6:01 am

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Stade Toulousain v Glasgow Warriors
Pool 4, Round 3
Sunday 7 December 2014, KO 16:15
Stade Ernest Wallon, Toulouse

Live on FR 2 / BeIN / BT Sport

Referee John Lacey (Ireland)
Touch Judge 1 Sean Gallagher (Ireland)
Touch Judge 2 Brian MacNeice (Ireland)
Fourth Official David Rosich (France)
TMO Dermot Moloney (Ireland)
Citing Commissioner Tony Lanaway (England)

A. Teams:

1. Toulouse
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15 Clément Poitrenaud, 14 Vincent Clerc, 13 Yann David, 12 Gaël Fickou, 11 Maxime Médard, 10 Jean-Marc Doussain, 9 Sébastien Bézy, 8 Louis Picamoles, 7 Imanol Harinordoquy, 6 Yannick Nyanga (c), 5 Yoann Maestri, 4 Joe Tekori, 3 Census Johnston, 2 Corey Flynn, 1 Vasil Kakovin

16 Julien Marchand, 17 Kisi Pulu, 18 Neemia Tialata, 19 Thierry Dusautoir, 20 Edwin Maka, 21 Jano Vermaak, 22 Florian Fritz, 23 Yoann Huget

2. Glasgow Warriors
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15 Stuart Hogg, 14 Sean Maitland, 13 Alex Dunbar, 12 Peter Horne, 11 Tommy Seymour, 10 Finn Russell, 9 Henry Pyrgos, 8 Josh Strauss (c), 7 Chris Fusaro, 6 Robert Harley, 5 Jonny Gray, 4 Leone Nakarawa, 3 Jon Welsh, 2 Pat MacArthur, 1 Ryan Grant

16 Fraser Brown, 17 Gordon Reid, 18 Rossouw de Klerk, 19 Tim Swinson, 20 Ryan Wilson, 21 Niko Matawalu, 22 Duncan Weir, 23 Richie Vernon

B. Tournament Form:

1. Toulouse

25/10/14 - Bath 19 - 21 Toulouse

19/10/14 - Toulouse 30 - 23 Montpellier

5/4/14 - Munster 47 - 23 Toulouse

2. Glasgow Warriors

25/10/14 - Montpellier 13 - 15 Glasgow

18/10/14 - Glasgow 37 - 10 Bath

18/1/14 - Glasgow 8 - 15 Toulon

C. Head to Head

6 Played 6
5 Wins 1
1 Losses 5
0 Draws 0
23 Tries 9
17 Conversions 9
11 Penalties 12
1 Drop Goals 1
185 Points 102


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Post by George Carlin Sun 07 Dec 2014, 5:22 pm

madmaccas wrote:Very disappointment as on form we would have won this. Really it's the first club game for most of these guys in a month so some ring rust was to be expected. Still, can't help but feel this will be the game that costs us a quarter final. I hope not but it had better be a bonus point win next week if we're to realistically have a chance

Far too many mistakes and we didn't protect the ball on the ground anywhere nearly well enough. I counted at least 6 penalties for holding on. Thought Seymour, Russell, Welsh and Nakarawa had good games but Pyrgos, Harley, Grant and (in particular) Horne looked poor.
Good summary Maccas - thanks.
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Post by VinceWLB Sun 07 Dec 2014, 5:24 pm

BigGee wrote:
VinceWLB wrote:Matawalu pulled a Visser and scored in the corner when he could easily have gone closer to the post.

Nakarawa easily Glasgow motm. Gordon Reid should start over Grant saturday, adds much more.

Lacey the only difference in the end.


Russell and Naka could have been MoM but getting silly yellows would rule both out for me. Probably Dunbar, though Harley was immense again, as he is every game.

I think Lacey gave us a try in the end as well, that did look forward!

Didn't look forward to me, will have to re-watch it but to me it was momentum that made it looks it was forward.

Still 5-14 penalty count.

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Post by TJ Sun 07 Dec 2014, 5:26 pm

Rowlocks!

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Post by VinceWLB Sun 07 Dec 2014, 5:33 pm

Anyone else thought Strauss was a bit of a passenger? he still made yards but didn't have the same form as last year, wonder if he might be carrying a knock.

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Post by monwy Sun 07 Dec 2014, 5:53 pm

A glimmer of a few decent things from Toulouse, but if they want to get past the early knock-out rounds they'll have to sharpen up hugely, far too many try scoring opportunties butchered, there were countless terrible handling errors and some truly awful decision making, missing their halfbacks isn't an excuse.

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Post by BigGee Sun 07 Dec 2014, 6:14 pm

The return is certainly going to be interesting. What kind of form will Toulouse take on the road with them. How will they cope with a cold, windy night in Glasgow!

This is a must win game for us, Toulouse can afford to lose it, I wonder what their mentality will be?

I would start Ritchie Vernon at 13 and play Dunbar at 12. The back row needs a shake up as well. We lost the breakdown even before Fusaro went off. Do we plays Holmes, is he fit? Ryan Wilson actually had a decent game when he came on, but he is not an open side. Maybe play Harley at 7 with Wilson and Strauss and Ashe on the bench if fit.

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Post by Nematode Sun 07 Dec 2014, 7:46 pm

I didn't see the game, but from the comments it seems like Strauss was not at his best and Fusaro before coming off wasn't at his usual standard. Think that mirrors the past 5 games or so - neither of them have really been at their best.

Given Ashe played well for Scotland, I'd be tempted to start him at 8, with Harley at 6. I'd be happy to go with Holmes at 7 too.

I also think Kellock should be considered to start with Gray, and have Nakarawa on the bench to come on around 50 mins or vice versa.

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Post by TJ Sun 07 Dec 2014, 8:03 pm

I think its time to start Vernon at 13.

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Post by George Carlin Mon 08 Dec 2014, 6:47 am

You get quite a good sense of the game from the Hootsmon review - does this sound about right for people who saw the game (I was stuck at work)?:
Toulouse 19-11 Glasgow: French power halts Glasgow
by IAIN MORRISON AT STADE ERNEST WALLON


Glasgow’s dreams of making their first appearance in the European quarter-finals were dented yesterday when Toulouse registered their 100th victory in this competition. Both teams scored one try but Toulouse added the conversion and claimed four penalties to two penalties for Glasgow, who were denied the solace of a losing bonus point.

Scorers: Toulouse: Try: Medard. Con: Bezy. Pens: Bezy (4). Glasgow: Try: Matawalu. Pens: Russell (2).

This encounter was a nip and tuck affair, the two teams level at 3-3 going into the final few minutes before half-time when a rash tip tackle by Finn Russell saw the stand-off binned for ten minutes. The game was all but over when he returned early in the second half after Toulouse added 13 points in his absence. But Russell’s card did not decide this result and Toulouse scored another penalty when Leone Nakarawa was in the bin late on, but, in a game of small margins, it certainly didn’t help Glasgow’s cause.

Glasgow will take some consolation from dominating territory and possession for long periods of this match, especially in the first quarter, but still the visitors found themselves down by three when the little Toulouse scrummy Sebastien Bezy knocked over a simple three points on 18 minutes in what had been his side’s only attack to date.

Even at that early stage, Glasgow had lost Chris Fusaro to a leg injury and had conceded two penalties at the set scrum. Just five minutes later and Russell had levelled the scores from another scrum penalty, the referee blowing in Glasgow’s favour this time.

The visitors took the game to Toulouse with Josh Strauss, Nakarawa and the two props all putting opposition forwards on their backsides. There was no lack of effort or belief but the sheer size of the opposition made life difficult for Townsend’s men. Many of Glasgow’s problems stemmed from the breakdown where they needed many hands to do the heavy lifting and, with Census Johnson and Joe Takori in the mix, what Glasgow really needed was a JCB. The end result was that much of the visitors’ possession was painfully slow and almost useless; only in the final quarter, with gaps appearing, did the Glasgow backs look truly threatening.

Players like Stuart Hogg and Jonny Gray occasionally threatened to dance or bulldoze their way through but it was rare that Glasgow could produce a consistent supply of fast, front-foot ball to twist the Toulouse defence out of kilter. As the match progressed, the greater size of the opposition allowed them to steal a good few turnovers and Glasgow ended up on the ugly end of a 14-5 penalty count.

Alex Dunbar was used to carry the ball into contact and Russell had one of his most effective games kicking from hand, at least while he was on the pitch. Several times the young stand-off found acres of space behind the thin black line or the touchline.

The home side always looked dangerous with ball in hand, although they were aided by Glasgow players uncharacteristically falling off more than a few tackles. One such miss allowed Vincent Clerc to dart up the middle of the field. He found Gael Fickou in support but, luckily for Glasgow, what would have been the scoring pass to Imanol Harinordoquy went to ground.

The same man spilled another pass when Toulouse got up a head of steam just before the break, the giant 20-stone lock Tekori adopting a Samoan sidestep to make the initial breach in Glasgow’s defence and put his team on to the front foot, and again the visitors were scrambling to keep their line intact.

They managed that much but at a cost. The referee took a second look at footage of Russell’s tackle on his

opposite number Jean-Marc Doussain and the Scot was shown a yellow card that could have been red. Bezy kicked that penalty and, with Toulouse tails up and a man to the good, the scrum-half added another before the break to give the home side a handy 9-3 half-time lead.

The crowd had barely settled back into their seats for the second half when Toulouse scored the first try of the match. Rob Harley was stripped in contact and Toulouse moved the ball quickly left. Doussain kicked in behind Glasgow’s defence, no one was home and Maxime Medard was first to ball to score in the corner. The crowd’s mood only got better when Bezy added the extras from the touchline. The teams were level pegging when Russell left the field but Toulouse were 16-3 up when he returned to the action.

The match came to life in the second half, with both sides opening up and suddenly finding space in a field that had previously looked as crowded as a Black Friday supermarket and even less well behaved. Peter Horne threatened for the home team but needed a little more gas in the tank and Richie Vernon made a good run when he replaced the little centre.

These efforts came to nothing and, when Nakarawa was binned in the final quarter, Bezy kicked his fourth and final penalty.

Toulouse dominated the closing exchanges but Niko Matawalu started and finished off a try late in the game after good interplay with Josh Strauss and Tommy Seymour up the left touchline – but only with the home crowd roaring for a forward pass and with some justification.

Glasgow now need to win Saturday’s replay with the Frenchmen to keep those quarter-final dreams alive.

Toulouse: Poitrenaud (Huget 63); Clerc, David (Fritz 58), Fickou, Medard; Doussain, Bezy; Kakovin, Flynn, Johnson, Tekori, Maestri, Nyanga (Dusautoir 61), Harinordoquy, Picamoles.

Glasgow: Hogg; Maitland, Dunbar, Horne (Vernon 63), Seymour; Russell (Weir 73), Pyrgos (Matawalu 67); Grant (Reid 50) , MacArthur (Brown 55), Walsh, Gray, Nakarawa (Swinson 73), Harley, Fusaro (Wilson 17), Strauss.

I hope Finn Russell learned from that yellow. I would think that he did.
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Post by RDW Mon 08 Dec 2014, 1:41 pm

Official 'highlights' shown here, although they don't even show Glasgow's try!

http://www.epcrugby.com/matchdaytv

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Post by RDW Mon 08 Dec 2014, 1:45 pm

Here is Russell's yellow - really stupid of him

http://sport.bt.com/video-01363814401986?videoid=3928557714001&videotitle=Did%20this%20dump%20tackle%20deserve%20a%20red%20card%3F&videoimage=pd%2F2503979514001%2F201412%2F2591%2F2503979514001_3928563574001_tackle1.jpg

I know players can get a rush of blood to the head, but they must know what they are doing will end up in a card.

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Post by George Carlin Mon 08 Dec 2014, 3:06 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Official 'highlights' shown here, although they don't even show Glasgow's try!

http://www.epcrugby.com/matchdaytv
It really is pathetic. Like the Toulon game last year where they missed one of Glasgow's tries in favour of showing all of Toulon's from every conceivable angle.
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Post by funnyExiledScot Mon 08 Dec 2014, 5:28 pm

I can only assume that Jeremy Guscott is involved in the editing process.

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Post by TJ Mon 08 Dec 2014, 6:20 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Here is Russell's yellow - really stupid of him

http://sport.bt.com/video-01363814401986?videoid=3928557714001&videotitle=Did%20this%20dump%20tackle%20deserve%20a%20red%20card%3F&videoimage=pd%2F2503979514001%2F201412%2F2591%2F2503979514001_3928563574001_tackle1.jpg

I know players can get a rush of blood to the head, but they must know what they are doing will end up in a card.

Certain yellow. Red would have been harsh as he landed on his back not neck or head. Stupid boy tho. Players can put the man down safely from that position - we have seen it done.

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Post by VinceWLB Mon 08 Dec 2014, 7:02 pm

No complain about the 1st yellow for me, however 14-5 penalty count doesn't give a right picture of the game and the 1st 2 pens against Welsh were a joke as their loosehead was driving in at 90 degrees, also there was a clear high tackle on Maitland early in the 2nd half, that would make it a 12-8 pen count and possibly avoid the 2nd yellow which would give a fairer reflection of the game.

Team are reffed on reputation, i can't imagine Leinster, Munster or Leicester getting such a high penalty count.

Sorry rant over but Glasgow didn't lost that game at 15 v 15.

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Post by Nematode Mon 08 Dec 2014, 7:15 pm

Just to say if you YouTube 'Rugby Medicine' you'll find the game on their channel and lots of other aviva/rabo games.

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Post by Nematode Mon 08 Dec 2014, 7:17 pm

Looking at the Russell tackle, it's a yellow. A red would surely need to be driving the player into the ground/landing on neck.

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Post by Anglobraveheart Mon 08 Dec 2014, 7:30 pm

It's defo very stupid, and completely needless. The ball was long gone. If he's making a point to his opposite man, then he needs to do it when he still has the ball. Any fool can deli er a late cheap shot.
Hopefully he'll make up for it on Saturday.

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Post by HammerofThunor Mon 08 Dec 2014, 9:23 pm

No doubt yellow. Lands on his back.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Mon 08 Dec 2014, 9:46 pm

Attitude problem. Just like Stuart Hogg......

He made a mistake. Rash most certainly. He's a young lad and will no doubt learn. He's the best 10 in Scottish rugby by a distance and let's hope Toonie doesn't do something stupid like drop him for Duncan Weir.

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Post by VinceWLB Mon 08 Dec 2014, 10:13 pm

I hope he will play the full 80 too, no point weakening the team by bringing Weir in for the last quarter.

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Post by whocares Mon 08 Dec 2014, 10:33 pm

Was just an impetuous moment from someone who was 100% committed in defense. Nothing malicious in Finn tackle, to his defense he did bring Doussain to the ground rather than dropping him.

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Post by TJ Mon 08 Dec 2014, 11:39 pm

whocares wrote:Was just an impetuous moment from someone who was 100% committed in defense. Nothing malicious in Finn tackle, to his defense he did bring Doussain to the ground rather than dropping him.

He didn't put him down safely tho - which can be done. thats why it was a yellow and rightly so.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Tue 09 Dec 2014, 9:39 am

I must say, this over-enthusiastic incident to one side, I really like Finn Russell's attitude in defence, and it showed up well in the AIs as well.

There's a touch of the Wilkinson/Farrell to that aspect of his game, and he appears to relish the physical stuff. Hopefully that doesn't lead to him getting embroiled in it too much. As daft as that sounds we want him managing the game and receiving the ball, not at the floor of a ruck. Woodward struggled with Wilkinson in that regard as well - just couldn't stop him hurling himself at the opposition. Still, it makes a very welcome change to Parks!

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Post by MacKnocked-on Tue 09 Dec 2014, 9:52 am

There was no particular malice in Russell's tackle, he patted Doussain on the chest to apologise/check he was OK as soon as he had done it, Russell realised he had made a mistake.

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