Next 6 for Joshua

Evening all,

I think one thing we can all agree on is that Anthony Joshua needs a step up in class of opponents. Personally I see him as being around 5 or 6 fights from a world title if the step him up correctly. I'd like to see something along the lines of the following :

Charr
Stiverne
Pulev
Fury
Povetkin
World title fight

Thoughts?

Cheers

Stiverne should be further down the list, as a former world champion with concussive power i'd rather see Joshua build towards him rather than using him to build, Charr and Fury are the easiest of the six.

Like a few others, I'd like to see TT. He's aged even since the Price victories, and he wasn't near his prime then, but he would come with bags of experience, confidence, and thinking it would be Price all over again.

Would love to see Fury but as Rowley pointed out, camp Fury won't be interested unless Hearn can table a massive big, which he won't at this stage.

Think he moves up to the fringe guys end of the year.

The biggest problem for him for the next couple of fights is that for those that are already close to world title fights he is high risk low reward. Some good management required by Eddie.

So basically you want him to become the first Heavyweight in history to clean up the division BEFORE he becomes champion......

Get real.......He won't be risked till he fights for a title.............Not that half the fighters on there have a chance anyway..

I did say what I'd like to see truss. :-)

How would you see his next few fights going?

When it comes to Joshua might as well be realistic.............

Chump next............Price in the fall (semi chump).........chump December/Jan .......Leapai in March/April........ = 17-0 (17)

Wlad/Fury or Wilder at Wembley in June/July...

Whatever happened to Mariusz Wach? Judging from the Wlad fight he's big, hits back, can take a shot and go long.

Provided Fury loses to Wlad I think that could be made.

Obviously Fury will not risk it before his title shot.

Price next please

Speaking of Wach, shout out to Tye Fields, what a guy!

Hearn said he had a surprise in September............

Me thinks it's Price...

Wach is fighting Konstantin Airich in June JBW.

Plus truss the stiverne we saw against wilder I don't see being in a world title fight again and fury I'm taking it as a wlad win. I was maybe being a bit ambitious with so many big fights though.

I wouldn't mind seeing him in with a couple of other prospects either. Washington or somebody.

Stiverne had a genuine debilitating condition against Wilder.....

Did Bruno beat any prospects before fighting for World titles ????

Did Lewis beat any prospects before Ruddock ???.........I suppose Mason was a decent win..

PaulHv2 wrote:Wach is fighting Konstantin Airich in June JBW.

*Colonel Sheridan voice*

Ah, Airich, what a great kid!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Hearn said he had a surprise in September............

Me thinks it's Price...

Nah. David haye in surprise 'will he won't he' comeback!

Dillian whyte. Avenge the amateur defeat blah blah strawberry blah.

At least whyte would have a go.

A nobody in July and then Tony Thompson in September would be my guess.

milkyboy wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Hearn said he had a surprise in September............

Me thinks it's Price...

Nah. David haye in surprise 'will he won't he' comeback!

Dillian whyte. Avenge the amateur defeat blah blah strawberry blah.

At least whyte would have a go.

Maybe Haye could play Hamlet on the undercard............" Innit nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune......Oww me toe !!" ...

I'd pay £18 for that !!

catchweight wrote:A nobody in July and then Tony Thompson in September would be my guess.

Thompson would be just like Johnson...........Looking for one last payday..

This is Joshua's problem...................He's huge, intimidating and punches straight and hard........The only fighters capable of giving him a fight are at title level.

When you think he punches straight and Wlad comes inside in straight lines..........Makes you think Wlad is made for him......He knocks out Fury..............He kills Deontay too..........

I think his chances of facing Klitschko are slim unless Klitschko intends on fighting on for years (hopefully Fury or Wilder can rid us of him before then).

Joshua wasnt exactly exduding confidence when he talked about their sparring sessions.

Thompson will be another, slightly better 40 something punchbag who has a cool moniker like the Olympian killer now and he handed Price his ass twice when Price was at this stage of his career. Perfectly set up for Joshua to steamroll him and keep the hype going.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

milkyboy wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Hearn said he had a surprise in September............

Me thinks it's Price...

Nah. David haye in surprise 'will he won't he' comeback!

Dillian whyte. Avenge the amateur defeat blah blah strawberry blah.

At least whyte would have a go.

Maybe Haye could play Hamlet on the undercard............" Innit nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune......Oww me toe !!" ...

I'd pay £18 for that !!

I see Haye's 'acting career' going the way of robin reid's. If he does the bard its going to be Shakespearean porn. 'Alas poor yorick, I blew him horatio' 'my whores, my whores, my king dong for a hore.. Withdraw my lord'

Can't see anyone capable of giving him a test actually giving him a fight.

Too many of these fighters are close to the title to risk it against Joshua. If they fight him and he catches them there is a very good chance he wins, they then become overhyped bums.

According to fight news website (no idea how accurate) he is currently in the top ten with WBC and WBO.

WBC
1. Alexander Povetkin
2. Mike Perez
3. Tyson Fury
4. Vyacheslav Glazkov
5. Bermane Stiverne

WBO
1. Tyson Fury
2. Charles Martin
3. Andy Ruiz
4. Francesco Pianeta
5. Vyacheslav Glazkov
6. Alexander Povetkin

Any of the above would improve his rankings with these bodies.

Chisora, Price and Fury above him in the British rankings. Fury fight unlikely until Fury has made a bucket of cash against Wlad but Price and Chisora should be possible - could then put pressure on Fury to vacate or fight him. More likely to vacate.

Lucas Browne for the commonwealth, could be a decent payday for Browne.

Povotkin and Puluev are above him and behind Fury for the European.

Can't see any point in him taking fights against anyone not on the above lists, he has said he wants to go the traditional route and get the British, Commonwealth and European titles before going for the World title's.

For me Chisora would be the best option, but would Frank be prepared to basically retire Chisora? Price probably easier to make but surely Price wouldn't want the fight.

Think he is likely to beat both without getting stretched but it would at least be progress.

Maybe the Browne fight could be made, hopefully by then Fury would have fought or be lined up to fight Wlad meaning it would be easier to get him for the British title.

Difficult to keep him progressing as he is already close to title level from everything we have seen so far.

Browne, Povotkin and the like are all one dimensional................Which against fellow maulers is probably alright.....But against a huge guy that punches straight with power..

They'll get destroyed...

It's how you move this kid forward without him treading water....I can't see howyou do it !!

If he's a novice now he'll still be a novice in a year's time because only the two champions and maybe Fury can test him..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Browne, Povotkin and the like are all one dimensional................Which against fellow maulers is probably alright.....But against a huge guy that punches straight with power..

They'll get destroyed...

It's how you move this kid forward without him treading water....I can't see howyou do it !!

If he's a novice now he'll still be a novice in a year's time because only the two champions and maybe Fury can test him..

I agree but he would at least 'on paper' be moving forward.

At least he would be a novice with a couple of the titles he craves and putting pressure on the 2-3 that can test him to actually fight him.

Why does it matter If he moves forward on paper ??

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Why does it matter If he moves forward on paper ??

Can't see people wanting the fight (except maybe Wlad - depending on the sparring) and without him moving up the lists other fighters are going to have an excuse to avoid.

Why fight the no 5 or 6 when they can claim they beat the better fighter at no. 2 or 3.

Think he is going to be tougher to match as he looks like a monster so far.

As mentioned above Fury won't want him at the moment (has better options), Wilder would be unlikely to fight him at the moment, probably not quite ready for Wlad.

He has also stated that he wants the other titles (British, Commonwealth, Euro) and since Fury is the British and Euro it only leaves Browne.

huw wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Why does it matter If he moves forward on paper ??

Can't see people wanting the fight (except maybe Wlad - depending on the sparring) and without him moving up the lists other fighters are going to have an excuse to avoid.

Why fight the no 5 or 6 when they can claim they beat the better fighter at no. 2 or 3.

Think he is going to be tougher to match as he looks like a monster so far.

As mentioned above Fury won't want him at the moment (has better options), Wilder would be unlikely to fight him at the moment, probably not quite ready for Wlad.

He has also stated that he wants the other titles (British, Commonwealth, Euro) and since Fury is the British and Euro it only leaves Browne.

So in conclusion he's ready now...............But he's got to p**s about for a year to wait for his "Passport"..

After Sat's blowout I'm almost bored of AJ now.

Most likeable thing now is that moment his darkside comes out. In ring aggression pushes the slick Fast Car PR training to the back of his mind and his goes to finish his opponents with real spite (including some close to the wind punching to the back of the head and/or when oppo is down).

Frankly I almost agree with Truss now.

Chis is a busted flush, no interest in that, no different to Kingpin.

Price is interesting as it's size and power at least.

I'd like to see Price & TT as stop-gaps to Browne then Povetkin. Then Stiv then a title shot.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

huw wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Why does it matter If he moves forward on paper ??

Can't see people wanting the fight (except maybe Wlad - depending on the sparring) and without him moving up the lists other fighters are going to have an excuse to avoid.

Why fight the no 5 or 6 when they can claim they beat the better fighter at no. 2 or 3.

Think he is going to be tougher to match as he looks like a monster so far.

As mentioned above Fury won't want him at the moment (has better options), Wilder would be unlikely to fight him at the moment, probably not quite ready for Wlad.

He has also stated that he wants the other titles (British, Commonwealth, Euro) and since Fury is the British and Euro it only leaves Browne.

So in conclusion he's ready now...............But he's got to p**s about for a year to wait for his "Passport"..

Pretty much my thoughts on it.

In a way it's good that he wants to win all the titles available to him but in another it is a shame as doing so will slow his progress.

Maybe they could arrange for Fury to vacate the British title and have Joshua fight Browne, Chisora and Price on the same night - PPV of course, just to get them out of the way. May be a good way to get him past three rounds, or even allow the others to tag each other in to see if they can last 6!

He isn't going to clean out the division before he wins the title...........

1. It's stupid to risk such a valuable asset pre-title...

2. It's unfair on the kid to have to do it...No one else ever has !!

May as well do the whole domestic scene first... Chisora/Price then try to tempt Fury. The domestic merry-go-round has always made good business sense, but Joshua should be able to transcend it pretty quickly without getting drawn into it long term like certain lesser fighters. Then why not the likes of Arreola/Stiverne/Thompson/Pulev in 2016/2017. After which, if all goes to plan, he'll be a worthy contender for any of the belts..

I think it might be a frustrating twelve months or so ahead for Joshua. I actually have a bit of sympathy for Hearn in this respect as I think it's going to be tough for him to get him testing fights that he'll actually learn from without having to take risks which some will say are too much, too soon.

I disagree with the idea that he's already as ready as he'll ever be right now and that there isn't anyone who can teach him anything outside of Wlad. For me, there's definitely a level of competition between what he's been facing so far and Wladimir which could and would prepare him for little bro (or whoever the main man is by the time Joshua gets in to pole position to challenge them). The problem is that these guys such as Fury, Pulev, Browne, Povetkin etc are all just one fight or so away from getting a crack (or another crack in some cases) at either Wlad or Wilder, and there's just no way they're going to be willing to risk losing that ranking and a juicy payday against Wlad or Deontay by taking on a young, unbeaten, full of confidence man mountain with a big punch like Joshua for so much less money than they'd earn taking their lumps in a title fight.

Right now, those guys need Joshua like they need a hole in their head and understandably they'll turn their heads and make out he doesn't exist for the time being.

That WBO list is looking desperately poor, assuming Povetkin is happy to concentrate on his WBC mandatory status and prioritises a shot against Wilder over a Wladimir rematch. Conceivably, a run of opponents as average as Glazkov, Pianeta and that slob Any Ruiz could make Joshua the WBO mandatory within, say, twelve months (by which time Wlad-Fury will surely have taken place). That route looks appealing in terms of getting Joshua a shot in double quick time, but does it put rounds in the bank to answer questions about his stamina? Does it look likely to tell us about his defence or chin?

I'm a dreamer and I know I'm piddling in the wind here, but right now I'd really like to see Joshua in there with Price or Parker. Hungry (you'd hope) guys who aren't protected by a high ranking which allows them to just sit and wait it out until a champion becomes available - basically guys who also need to fight their way to the top and make a bit statement soon. Joshua has looked the part so far but I'm still intrigued about how he'll cope when a genuine puncher clocks him or how he'll deal with someone who has pretty fast hands for a Heavy in Parker and might be able to hold his own (if only for a while) in the jabbing stakes.

The calls for Hearn to just cut the chord and take a punt on putting him in against an ageing, possibly fading Wladimir will grow after his performance at the weekend but I genuinely don't think even Joshua himself would want to be getting in there with him as things stand. It's a tough balancing act right now. As I said above, I know who I'd like to see him in with next, but as to who I think it will actually be, God only knows.

Price
Arreola
Stiverne
Fury
Povetkin/Wilder
Wlad

Lets not beat about the bush - we've got the new Mike Tyson on our hands here.. Just much better as he's not going to act like a pr!ck outside of the ring and will demonstrate the ability to deal with a jab and have an iron chin.

Give it 10 years and he'll be a nailed on Top 10 HW of all time. Trust me!

All things considered I think it'll be the Price fight. Hearn is struggling to match anyone with Kell Brook and can't afford to stall with Joshua and lose out on his building momentum/lose out on making himself a lot of money.

Price was/still is going nowhere fast and this is his best chance to catapult himself back into the public's conscience. Only downfall with this brilliant plan is that I think AJ does to Price what Price did to Tom Dallas and effectively ends his career in two rounds.

f I hear Tony Thompson's name mentioned again I think I may puke. May as well ask John Ruiz to come out of retirement for all the good it will do.

From a personal point of view I'd like to see AJ smash the living daylights out of Hughie Fury, rid us of that lumbering oaf and build up a healthy grudge with Tyson Fury with a view to dispatching that pr!ck at some point too.

Joe Bugner
Frank Bruno
Carl Thompson
John ruiz
Evander Holyfield
Tyson fury

Love to know what Lucas Browne can teach Joshua .............Povetkin is a small one dimensional slob................90 seconds of teaching from him..........

If there was Tillis, Broad, Ribalta types around I'd say take your time but he's as ready as he'll ever be !!

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Chis is finished, browne will get starched. The Dimensons and style will pose no problem. Both would be KO'd or retire on there stool before 5.

Wach,  Pulev,  and Joseph Parker are fights I'd like to see. Step up. Good tests. Fights he can win.

Yheir

*f $ck it

3fingers wrote:Chis is finished, browne will get starched. The Dimensons and style will pose no problem. Both would be KO'd or retire on there stool before 5.

Wach,  Pulev,  and Joseph Parker are fights I'd like to see. Step up. Good tests. Fights he can win.

The guy that was seven points down after 4 rounds to Wlad...........

He's one dimensional...

Anyone Wlad beats in five this guy beats in two..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

3fingers wrote:Chis is finished, browne will get starched. The Dimensons and style will pose no problem. Both would be KO'd or retire on there stool before 5.

Wach,  Pulev,  and Joseph Parker are fights I'd like to see. Step up. Good tests. Fights he can win.

The guy that was seven points down after 4 rounds to Wlad...........

He's one dimensional...

Anyone Wlad beats in five this guy beats in two..

Yeah that's the guy.....the one that beat Thompson, Ustinov and Dimitrenko.

Hopefully it's Price although once that fight is over in 90 seconds and AJ still hasn't learned anything new we'll all start wondering what the point of it was. Browne or Wach moving forward wouldn't be terrible but anyone troubled by Towers isn't going to last long either.

We're going to have to put up with a fair few one sided 'named' fights for a year or two before we learn anything about AJ I feel.

I just want to see AJ in with someone who can tag him a bit as we still havent seen that. Want to see how he avoids punches. A prime Chisora would be ideal next, but Chis is shot after some very tough fights against bigger men. Still be worth seeing.

Coxy001 wrote:Price
Arreola
Stiverne
Fury
Povetkin/Wilder
Wlad

Lets not beat about the bush - we've got the new Mike Tyson on our hands here.. Just much better as he's not going to act like a pr!ck outside of the ring and will demonstrate the ability to deal with a jab and have an iron chin.

Give it 10 years and he'll be a nailed on Top 10 HW of all time. Trust me!

Add Charr in there and that's a cracking list. People seem to be pretending that there isn't a step up from the Johnsons of this world to Wlad, but there is. Povetkin is no joke and there's no way they'll go near him this early.

In comparison to other era's they may not match up but that's not to say there aren't dangerous fighters in the division outside of Wlad because there are. Price is one of them too.
Can't Price win that fight? Too dangerous at this stage. Tony Thompson shouldn't even come into the equation, no good can come from that.

There's plenty of good fighters he can fight. Bit of perspective in that he's just beaten kingpin.