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Post by George Carlin Tue 15 Sep 2015, 10:22 am

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ENGLAND v FIJI
18 September 2015
KO: 20:00 BST
Twickenham, London

Live on ITV and BBC Radio 5 live

Referee: Jaco Peyper (South Africa)
Touch judges: John Lacey (Ireland) & Stuart Berry (South Africa)
Television match official: Shaun Veldsman (South Africa)

A. Head to Head

5 Played 5
5 Won 0
0 Drawn 0
0 Lost 5
210 Points 83

B. Recent Form

10 November 2012
England 54 - 12 Fiji
Twickenham

20 October 1999
England 45 - 24 Fiji
Twickenham

20 July 1991
Fiji 12 - 28 England
National Stadium, Suva

04 November 1989
England 58 - 23 Fiji
Twickenham

17 June 1988
Fiji 12 - 25 England
National Stadium, Suva

C. Teams

ENGLAND
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Mike Brown (Harlequins); Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby), Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby), Brad Barritt (Saracens), Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby); George Ford (Bath Rugby); Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers); Joe Marler (Harlequins), Tom Youngs (Leicester Tigers), Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Geoff Parling (Exeter Chiefs), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Tom Wood (Northampton Saints), Chris Robshaw (capt, Harlequins), Ben Morgan (Gloucester Rugby).

Replacements: Rob Webber (Bath Rugby), Mako Vunipola (Saracens), Kieran Brookes (Northampton Saints), Joe Launchbury (Wasps), Billy Vunipola (Saracens), Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens), Owen Farrell (Saracens), Sam Burgess (Bath Rugby).

FIJI
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1. Campese Ma’afu
2. Sunia Koto
3. Manasa Saulo
4. Apisalome Ratuniyarawa
5. Leone Nakarawa
6. Dominiko Waqaniburotu
7. Akapusi Qera (Captain)
8. Sakiusa Masi Matadigo

9. Nikola Matawalu
10. Ben Volavola
11. Nemani Nadolo
12. Gabiriele Lovobalavu
13. Vereniki Goneva
14. Waisea Nayacalevu
15. Metuisela Talebula

16. Tuapati Talemaitoga
17. Peni Ravai
18. Isei Colati
19. Tevita Cavubati
20. Peceli Yato
21. Nemia Kenatale
22. Joshua Matavesi
23. Aseli Tikoirotuma


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Post by Rory_Gallagher Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:27 pm

Okay donglewood you have made your point.

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Post by Duty281 Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:28 pm

Fiji have a shocking lack of discipline.

England assured, as long they don't get dragged into a street fight.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:28 pm

I can see a few Fiji cards throughout this tourney.

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Post by RDW Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:28 pm

donglewood - you've made your point, but it is going to become incredibly tiresome if you do so every time England get a penalty.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:29 pm

Not the start I expected.  When Fiji played Canada they faded after the first 30 in particular so I expected them to be much more effective in the first period here.


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Post by nathan Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:29 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Not the start I expected.  When Fiji played Canada they faded after the first 30 in particular so I expected them to be much more affective in the first period here.  

give it time, i'm sure we'll man sausage it up

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:29 pm

Exceptional hands by Joseph, twice in a row. Honestly he is a revelation in that England midfield.

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Post by Duty281 Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:30 pm

Brilliant hands from England. Game over.

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Post by JmD Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:30 pm

Just to be clear, what Wood did there was illegal, he can't leave the lineout area until the ball has travelled beyond 15m. Should have been a Fijian penalty.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:31 pm

donglewood wrote:
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donglewood wrote:Ten minutes in and the partisan TV replay destroys the credibility of the World Cup. What a crock. What an absolute crock.

it was a penalty though?

Not a penalty. The rolling maul was truck and trailer, and suddenly a penalty try and yellow card? Just ridiculous.

look like offsides already before even that to be honest.

England are at the moment dominating them so it's hardly unfair.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:32 pm

nathan wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:Not the start I expected.  When Fiji played Canada they faded after the first 30 in particular so I expected them to be much more affective in the first period here.  

give it time, i'm sure we'll man sausage it up

Yes, very capable of it Smile

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Post by wrfc1980 Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:32 pm

Joseph has to be up there as one of the best centres in world rugby at the moment

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Post by slartibartfast Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:33 pm

um.... hoe about fiji getting some calls?
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Post by nathan Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:34 pm

slartibartfast wrote:um.... hoe about fiji getting some calls?

They got away with the knock on

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Post by eirebilly Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:34 pm

I am not having a go at England but they are getting more than the rub of the green here with the referee's decisions. First try was T&T ans second one Wood left the lineout area early. Both Fiji penalties in my mind.

That said, Fiji look very disjointed and I am very afraid that they may get overly frustrated and resort to the Fiji of old when they tried to physically hurt the opposition.
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Post by Notch Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:34 pm

WHAT A TRY!!
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Post by nathan Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:35 pm

nathan wrote:
slartibartfast wrote:um.... hoe about fiji getting some calls?

They got away with the knock on

they have just been gifted that one!

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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:35 pm

ah there it is, lightening pace and individual brilliance.

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Post by nathan Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:35 pm

Knock on, but i hate that ref's can change their minds before the kick


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Post by sportform Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:35 pm

Nice try by Fiji. Not sure how they didn't tackle him.
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Post by Notch Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:36 pm

Oooooh. The big screen may be his undoing...
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:36 pm

Notch wrote:WHAT A TRY!!

I'm actually gutted he knocked it on. Crying or Very sad

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:36 pm

But he's already awarded it. Can he change his mind???

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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:36 pm

well he dropped it but he did a great job of turning a lost scrum into a brilliant attack. Brown saved that.

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Post by Notch Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:36 pm

What a shame... he skinned May. That would have been such a sensational try.
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Post by RDW Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:37 pm

Can the ref go back to the TMO if he's already allowed the try?

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:37 pm

nathan wrote:Knock on, but i hate that ref's can change their minds before the kick

If it isn't a try I think that is fair play.

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Post by tigertattie Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:37 pm

Moral of the story, take your conversion as quick as you can
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Post by Duty281 Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:37 pm

This refereeing is a little embarrassing.

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Post by nathan Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:37 pm

Griff wrote:But he's already awarded it. Can he change his mind???

yeah happened against England the other week

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Post by sportform Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:37 pm

Notch wrote:Oooooh. The big screen may be his undoing...
They don't show controversial replays on the big screen in football. Maybe a little be cheeky by those in control.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:38 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Can the ref go back to the TMO if he's already allowed the try?

Yes, they have done it quite a bit recently. It has happened in the Pro 12 already.

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Post by nathan Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:38 pm

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nathan wrote:Knock on, but i hate that ref's can change their minds before the kick

If it isn't a try I think that is fair play.

yeah i understand that, i just think it looks embarrassing for the game

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Post by Rugby Fan Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:38 pm

Griff wrote:But he's already awarded it. Can he change his mind???
I think as long as the conversion hasn't been taken, a try can be reviewed.

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Post by JmD Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:38 pm

Would that replay angle have been shown if England had just scored that try and were lining up a conversion? The big screen should never come into play.

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Post by eirebilly Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:38 pm

Correct decision but I was certain the ref awarded the try. Can he change his mind like that and go to the TMO after awarding a try?

Gutted for Fiji as that would have been a superb individual try.
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Post by nathan Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:38 pm

sportform wrote:
Notch wrote:Oooooh. The big screen may be his undoing...
They don't show controversial replays on the big screen in football. Maybe a little be cheeky by those in control.

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It always happens in Rugby

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:38 pm

Gutted, I have a bet on Nico to get a try too!

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Post by Notch Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:39 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Can the ref go back to the TMO if he's already allowed the try?

I remember seeing Clancy go back to check whether a try was scored in the last play of the game, after he had blown the final whistle...


And that is a try, and that is deserved.
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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:39 pm

Englands scrum is very poor. cannot see how they can progress in this tourney too far with such poor scrummaging.

surely Wales and Aussie have to have a big edge there.

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Post by nathan Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:39 pm

ah bloody hell, just give him the try and move on!

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:39 pm

nathan wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
nathan wrote:Knock on, but i hate that ref's can change their minds before the kick

If it isn't a try I think that is fair play.

yeah i understand that, i just think it looks embarrassing for the game

It wasn't like they showed a replay. It was like they showed an un-requested TMO, if that makes sense. Or did the referee request it?

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Post by flyhalffactory Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:39 pm

Awful scrum control by England carrying on from the Irish game
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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:40 pm

doh duplicate


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Post by Rory_Gallagher Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:40 pm

I have to say though, if you use a magnifying glass on absolutely everything, rugby is going to be a very difficult game to watch.

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Post by Notch Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:40 pm

Well I can tell you who the real star of the World Cup is so far, it's the TMO. I very much preferred it when they could only check the grounding of the ball.
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Post by nathan Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:41 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:I have to say though, if you use a magnifying glass on absolutely everything, rugby is going to be a very difficult game to watch.

very true

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Post by Geordie Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:41 pm

Yeah England's scrum is a concern.


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Post by nathan Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:42 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Yeah England's scrum is a concern.


very much, i can't understand why it's gone backwards so much - i can't remember the last time it wsa like this!

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Sep 2015, 8:43 pm

All we want is consistency, but that means that EVERY try for EVERY team in EVERY game not only needs to be replayed on the big screen but needs to be show the grounding from every angle like the Fiji disallowed one. Will it happen? I hope it doesn't or it will ruin the game. But that would be consistency.

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