French Open Day 10: Agut-full of the Rain. Will Richard blow a Gasquet?

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Djokovic misses a sitter

And STILL you won't stop. For days now it's been like this. We shouldnt even have to ask...

Djokovic up a break nice

What's happening - Thiem's match is suspended but the others are playing, is another rain delay imminent?

Playing being stopped on the outside courts. They will soon be taken off here.

More rain coming...

barrystar wrote:What's happening - Thiem's match is suspended but the others are playing, is another rain delay imminent?

Chaos is what it is. Reckon they will finish this game then take them off.

should have moved it to Glasgow. Glorious sunshine here, and has been for the last 4-5 days

temporary21 wrote:More rain coming...

Coming? It has been raining continuously (almost) since they came back out.

Apologies. I can only hear via radio. It sounds like it's about to get worse enough to come off again

They will come off after this game.

RBA just starting to make a few poor errors, a couple of really poor ones there at 15-40, and Djokovic eventually holds on for 4-1.

Djokovic leads 2-6 6-4 4-1.

Doing the right thing. He's just hanging on and getting through. He needs another hour of good weather probably

Play suspended.

Yup they're off again.

While it must be hugely frustrating for Djokovic right now, it could actually work out ok for him these delays, especially if he can finish his match but Ferrer and Berdych don't finish theirs...

This rain looks set in for another hour or two and then a slot of drier weather around in the early evening of about two hours.

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Yup they're off again.

While it must be hugely frustrating for Djokovic right now, it could actually work out ok for him these delays, especially if he can finish his match but Ferrer and Berdych don't finish theirs...

Precisely. The likelihood is that Novak will finish his match but the other three 4th Round matches may be carried forward into tomorrow. Effectively, he could play on Thursday against a player who is playing on his third consecutive day and then play the semi on Friday against a player that is playing on his fourth successive day.

So the inevitable announcement has come - Murray/Gasquet and Wawrinka/Ramos-Vinolas matches are postponed until tomorrow.

CaledonianCraig wrote:

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Yup they're off again.

While it must be hugely frustrating for Djokovic right now, it could actually work out ok for him these delays, especially if he can finish his match but Ferrer and Berdych don't finish theirs...

Precisely. The likelihood is that Novak will finish his match but the other three 4th Round matches may be carried forward into tomorrow. Effectively, he could play on Thursday against a player who is playing on his third consecutive day and then play the semi on Friday against a player that is playing on his fourth successive day.

Quite - and the delayed QF means that whoever he or A. N. Other meets in the final will not have had the advantage of sitting back with his feet up and a SF place booked whilst watching Djokovic's side of the draw struggling through R4 and the QF.

That's the right decision. Makes things a lot fairer

So correct me if Im wrong, (stupid thing to say) but are you saying that in order for Novak to have a chance of winning the FO he needs his opposition to have had to play consecutive games, effectively making them nickynackered, and thus giving him the chance to beat them.??
This is the world NO 1. we are talking about. The most indomitable player of recent years, who beats anything and everything that stands on the other side of the net, the player that is now being discussed in terms of being the GOAT is being affected more it seems than any other player by the weather and rain delays   Really ???????

Haddie-nuff wrote:So correct me if Im wrong, (stupid thing to say) but are you saying that in order for Novak to have a chance of winning the FO he needs his opposition to have had to play consecutive games, effectively making them nickynackered, and thus giving him the chance to beat them.??
This is the world NO 1. we are talking about. The most indomitable player of recent years, who beats anything and everything that stands on the other side of the net, the player that is now being discussed in terms of being the GOAT is being affected more it seems than any other player by the weather and rain delays   Really ???????

If things pan out like they look then Novak will have got lucky today. As I said in my earlier post he looks like he'll be the only player in the bottom half to have a day's rest before the QF's and considering the SF's will be played the day after that then that is a big result for him. As for Murrays half it is status quo as they will all be on the same schedule.

Haddie-nuff wrote:So correct me if Im wrong, (stupid thing to say) but are you saying that in order for Novak to have a chance of winning the FO he needs his opposition to have had to play consecutive games, effectively making them nickynackered, and thus giving him the chance to beat them.??
This is the world NO 1. we are talking about. The most indomitable player of recent years, who beats anything and everything that stands on the other side of the net, the player that is now being discussed in terms of being the GOAT is being affected more it seems than any other player by the weather and rain delays   Really ???????

Nope - nobody is saying that, they are saying that the way in which today looks as though it will have played out will have given a small advantage to Djokovic out of an initially unpromising prognosis.

As you point out, he is someone who one would expect to be able to win overcoming more hurdles than most, but anything that makes life better or easier than anticipated is welcome however well placed the recipient, non?

CaledonianCraig wrote:

Haddie-nuff wrote:So correct me if Im wrong, (stupid thing to say) but are you saying that in order for Novak to have a chance of winning the FO he needs his opposition to have had to play consecutive games, effectively making them nickynackered, and thus giving him the chance to beat them.??
This is the world NO 1. we are talking about. The most indomitable player of recent years, who beats anything and everything that stands on the other side of the net, the player that is now being discussed in terms of being the GOAT is being affected more it seems than any other player by the weather and rain delays   Really ???????

If things pan out like they look then Novak will have got lucky today. As I said in my earlier post he looks like he'll be the only player in the bottom half to have a day's rest before the QF's and considering the SF's will be played the day after that then that is a big result for him. As for Murrays half it is status quo as they will all be on the same schedule.

Well wouldn't you know he would have to "get lucky" that really spells it out for me thanks.
We know the other players have to make the most of a bad job.. Lady Luck needs to be a lot more free with her favours

What round is Djokovic in right now? Oh yeah that is right. We are seriously dealing with a logical reasoning weak era if you guys are saying that this laughably shambolic and prejudicial scheduling by the arrogant and incompetent French Itf is Novak getting lucky. I guarantee you that he will play many days in a row to finish if he can even manage to get through, to face a much much fresher opponent coming from the other half. Only a v2 poster could analyze this situation and say Djokovic is getting lucky. I mean if the French required Novak to play the remainder of the tournament with a single leftover baguette as opposed to a tennis racquet half you would be on hear talking about how lucky Novak has gotten and how unfair it is for his opponent

Snd yes being the last guy to start on day three of the first round means he is by far, by a country mile, by a Texas mile, by a light year or two worse off than everyone on the other half

This thing is getting dangerously close to asterisked slam level

Sorry socal you are so wrong.

Novak looks certain to be the only player from his half of the draw to have finished his 4th Round match today. If the QF's are on Thursday in his half he will have had a day's rest. His opponent whoever it is looks certain to go into that match playing three consecutive days and if the semis are on Friday then his opponent will have played four consecutive days to his two. If that isn't getting lucky then I don't know what is? And remember Murray (and Wawrinka I think) have already had to play on two consecutive days already in this tournament so they have had to deal with a rough schedule already.

I personally do not believe Novak will finish his game today. Organisers are very optimistic if they think play will resume in 30 minutes.

whocares wrote:I personally do not believe Novak will finish his game today. Organisers are very optimistic if they think play will resume in 30 minutes.

There is around two hours worth of play left and Novak is on the brink of winning the third set. A win in four sets could be wrapped up in less than an hour. Thiem and Granollers are level at one set all so they will only finish if one of them wins in four sets. The other two 4th Round matches had just started so they have no chance whatsoever of finishing their matches today.

CaledonianCraig wrote:Sorry socal you are so wrong.

Novak looks certain to be the only player from his half of the draw to have finished his 4th Round match today. If the QF's are on Thursday in his half he will have had a day's rest. His opponent whoever it is looks certain to go into that match playing three consecutive days and if the semis are on Friday then his opponent will have played four consecutive days to his two. If that isn't getting lucky then I don't know what is? And remember Murray (and Wawrinka I think) have already had to play on two consecutive days already in this tournament so they have had to deal with a rough schedule already.

So Murray and Stan starting two days ahead isn't a big advantage? He isn't lucky , I am sure you are aware he doesn't give a fig about being in the final and they don't give him the trophy for coming out of his half. So yes the guys who started day 3 are all hugely disadvantaged to the Murray and Stan half. I don't call being asked to win 7 matches in twelve days with massive delays while the other half goes 7 in 14 lucky. I stand by my position for anyone in The Murray Stan half has a huge edge enormous and all of it down to incompetence

Play now officially suspended for the day...

Sorry you dont grasp it socal. And besides Murray and Wawrinka (even if they do meet in the semis) have far tougher semi than Novak. It is not out of the question that Novak could have an unseeded opponent or at the very least it will be a debutant semi-finalist shagged out at that by having to play perhaps 4 days on the bounce going into that match.

socal1976 wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Sorry socal you are so wrong.

Novak looks certain to be the only player from his half of the draw to have finished his 4th Round match today. If the QF's are on Thursday in his half he will have had a day's rest. His opponent whoever it is looks certain to go into that match playing three consecutive days and if the semis are on Friday then his opponent will have played four consecutive days to his two. If that isn't getting lucky then I don't know what is? And remember Murray (and Wawrinka I think) have already had to play on two consecutive days already in this tournament so they have had to deal with a rough schedule already.

So Murray and Stan starting two days ahead isn't a big advantage? He isn't lucky , I am sure you are aware he doesn't give a fig about being in the final and they don't give him the trophy for coming out of his half. So yes the guys who started day 3 are all hugely disadvantaged to the Murray and Stan half. I don't call being asked to win 7 matches in twelve days with massive delays while the other half goes 7 in 14 lucky. I stand by my position for anyone in The Murray Stan half has a huge edge enormous and all of it down to incompetence

Stan/Murray have an advantage, that's for sure, but the way in which today could have panned out might have evened it out a little, or at least stopped it stretching even further as it would have done if they had finished their QF today.  They won't have played today, but they'll not have had the relaxation of a rest day.  The other point was that Djokovic might have gained significantly against the other players in his own half if he had been able to finish today and they had not. But as it is, the men's draw is now in a horrible mess with Wednesday starting and half the draw having R4 to finish with the other half having QF's. On Djoko's side 4 matches have to fit into 5 days with plenty of rain forecast.

Sadly play is suspended for the day. That makes any minor advantage Nole could have got over Berdych null.
Total rubbish day, that roof cant come soon enough

socal1976 wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Sorry socal you are so wrong.

Novak looks certain to be the only player from his half of the draw to have finished his 4th Round match today. If the QF's are on Thursday in his half he will have had a day's rest. His opponent whoever it is looks certain to go into that match playing three consecutive days and if the semis are on Friday then his opponent will have played four consecutive days to his two. If that isn't getting lucky then I don't know what is? And remember Murray (and Wawrinka I think) have already had to play on two consecutive days already in this tournament so they have had to deal with a rough schedule already.

So Murray and Stan starting two days ahead isn't a big advantage? He isn't lucky , I am sure you are aware he doesn't give a fig about being in the final and they don't give him the trophy for coming out of his half. So yes the guys who started day 3 are all hugely disadvantaged to the Murray and Stan half. I don't call being asked to win 7 matches in twelve days with massive delays while the other half goes 7 in 14 lucky. I stand by my position for anyone in The Murray Stan half has a huge edge enormous and all of it down to incompetence

They didn't start two days before - they started on the Monday. Indeed, Andy had to finish his first round the same day as Novak. 

However, clearly they are being advantaged now. They've had two full days off and are a round ahead. As it stands, Novak will have to play 5 of the last 6 days compared to 3 out of 6 for the winner of the other half. That's a big difference.

It is the same for every player in the top half of the draw. Who is best conditioned to cope with it? Novak. He played two five and a half hour matches in the heat of Australia winning both in consecutive days so lets not claim it is beyond him. On the other hand there is 33-year-old Ferrer, 31-year-old Berdych and Goffin and Thiem who it is said have not reached peak physicality yet. So out of all those you'd certainly favour Novak to deal with the tough schedule far better than the others. And lets not forget how the draw has opened up for him with the likes of Nadal and Tsonga withdrawing. So it is a bit rich to moan or try to pretend life is so unfair to Novak.

Born Slippy wrote:

socal1976 wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Sorry socal you are so wrong.

Novak looks certain to be the only player from his half of the draw to have finished his 4th Round match today. If the QF's are on Thursday in his half he will have had a day's rest. His opponent whoever it is looks certain to go into that match playing three consecutive days and if the semis are on Friday then his opponent will have played four consecutive days to his two. If that isn't getting lucky then I don't know what is? And remember Murray (and Wawrinka I think) have already had to play on two consecutive days already in this tournament so they have had to deal with a rough schedule already.

So Murray and Stan starting two days ahead isn't a big advantage? He isn't lucky , I am sure you are aware he doesn't give a fig about being in the final and they don't give him the trophy for coming out of his half. So yes the guys who started day 3 are all hugely disadvantaged to the Murray and Stan half. I don't call being asked to win 7 matches in twelve days with massive delays while the other half goes 7 in 14 lucky. I stand by my position for anyone in The Murray Stan half has a huge edge enormous and all of it down to incompetence

They didn't start two days before - they started on the Monday. Indeed, Andy had to finish his first round the same day as Novak. 

However, clearly they are being advantaged now. They've had two full days off and are a round ahead. As it stands, Novak will have to play 5 of the last 6 days compared to 3 out of 6 for the winner of the other half. That's a big difference.

It happens. Every player in their career at one time or another has been short-changed by rain and poor scheduling. You just have to suck it up and make the best of it.

CaledonianCraig wrote:

Born Slippy wrote:

socal1976 wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Sorry socal you are so wrong.

Novak looks certain to be the only player from his half of the draw to have finished his 4th Round match today. If the QF's are on Thursday in his half he will have had a day's rest. His opponent whoever it is looks certain to go into that match playing three consecutive days and if the semis are on Friday then his opponent will have played four consecutive days to his two. If that isn't getting lucky then I don't know what is? And remember Murray (and Wawrinka I think) have already had to play on two consecutive days already in this tournament so they have had to deal with a rough schedule already.

So Murray and Stan starting two days ahead isn't a big advantage? He isn't lucky , I am sure you are aware he doesn't give a fig about being in the final and they don't give him the trophy for coming out of his half. So yes the guys who started day 3 are all hugely disadvantaged to the Murray and Stan half. I don't call being asked to win 7 matches in twelve days with massive delays while the other half goes 7 in 14 lucky. I stand by my position for anyone in The Murray Stan half has a huge edge enormous and all of it down to incompetence

They didn't start two days before - they started on the Monday. Indeed, Andy had to finish his first round the same day as Novak. 

However, clearly they are being advantaged now. They've had two full days off and are a round ahead. As it stands, Novak will have to play 5 of the last 6 days compared to 3 out of 6 for the winner of the other half. That's a big difference.

It happens. Every player in their career at one time or another has been short-changed by rain and poor scheduling. You just have to suck it up and make the best of it.

Except they did the same crap to him last year and there are other issues I have with their decision like when they stopped the match vs Nadal and HB said he was at the tournament and it was a light drizzle. Last year again he had to play multiple times in a row but the weather cooperated more. It doesn't even out Craig when again is he going to be sitting on 4 slams in a row?

Scheduling isn't there to factor in if a player is going for four slam wins on the bounce. It is there to be fair to all. Rain has screwed up this tournament and every one left in it has been affected by it. EVERYONE.

I'll leave it for you guys to discuss all that good luck he is getting, apparently we have a different definition of luck. I have a martini to sip and a dinner date to make gentleman and my mood is not conducive to contemplating the most incompetently managed slam since the Wimbeldon boycott

Putting RG on in May is ridiculous tbh but hey...it is what it is.

Forget should resign he is a disgrace, and buffoon covering for this disaster slam

socal1976 wrote:Forget should resign he is a disgrace, and buffoon covering for this disaster slam

That was a quick dinner-date, not to mention an early one.

socal1976 wrote:Forget should resign he is a disgrace, and buffoon covering for this disaster slam

Whilst agreeing Novak has been unfortunate, what could have been done to avoid this issue?

The last few years I would take the second Friday off work to watch SFs. Cannot do that this year, so I am hoping eman's rain dance works and SFs have to be postponed to Saturday when I can watch them.

Andy's fans who are drooling over the rain should be careful. If SFs are on Saturday, it is quite possible that Andy-Stan (if that is the SF) will be scheduled as the second semi, with the winner having less time to recover for the final.

I am hearing bogbrush has been banned?

Is that true?

Surely not...Mods?

summerblues wrote:The last few years I would take the second Friday off work to watch SFs.  Cannot do that this year, so I am hoping eman's rain dance works and SFs have to be postponed to Saturday when I can watch them.

Andy's fans who are drooling over the rain should be careful.  If SFs are on Saturday, it is quite possible that Andy-Stan (if that is the SF) will be scheduled as the second semi, with the winner having less time to recover for the final.

I dont see anyone drooling over the rain. Read the posts on this thread and you will see poSters lamenting the rain and frustration but no drooling.