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AUSTRALIA v ENGLAND
25 June 2016
20:00 AEST (UTC+10)
Allianz Stadium, Sydney
Live on [Sky Sports]

Referee: Nigel Owens (Wales)
Touch judges: Craig Joubert (South Africa), Mike Fraser (New Zealand)
Television match official: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)
A. Head to Head

46 Played 46
25 Won 20
1 Drawn 1
20 Lost 25
975 Points 736

B. Recent Form

18 June 2016 - AAMI, Melbourne: Australia 7-23 England

11 June 2016 - Suncorp, Brisbane: Australia 28–39 England

3 October 2015 - Twickenham, London: 13 – 33 to Australia

29 November 2014 - Twickenham, London: 26 – 17 to England

2 November 2013 - Twickenham, London: 20 – 13 to England

17 November 2012 - Twickenham, London: 14 – 20 to Australia

13 November 2010 - Twickenham, London: 35 – 18 to England

19 June 2010 - Telstra Stadium, Sydney: 20 – 21 to England



C. Teams

AUSTRALIA 
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1. James Slipper – Reds (76 Tests)
2. Stephen Moore (c) – Brumbies (104 Tests)
3. Sekope Kepu – Waratahs (65 Tests)
4. Will Skelton – Waratahs (14 Tests)
5. Rob Simmons – Reds (61 Tests)
6. Scott Fardy – Brumbies (32 Tests)
7. Michael Hooper (vc) – Waratahs (53 Tests)
8. Sean McMahon – Rebels (8 Tests)
9. Nick Phipps – Waratahs (41 Tests)
10. Bernard Foley – Waratahs (29 Tests)
11. Rob Horne (vc)  – Waratahs (31 Tests)
12. Matt Toomua – Brumbies (31 Tests)
13. Tevita Kuridrani – Brumbies (33 Tests)
14. Dane Haylett-Petty – Western Force (2 Tests)
15. Israel Folau – Waratahs (40 Tests)

Replacements (One to be omitted)

Tatafu Polota-Nau – Waratahs (63 Tests)
Scott Sio – Brumbies (17 Tests)
Greg Holmes – Reds (25 Tests)
Adam Coleman (Uncapped)
Dean Mumm – Waratahs (46 Tests)
Wycliff Palu – Waratahs (57 Tests)
Nick Frisby – Reds (2 Tests)
Christian Leali’ifano – Brumbies (17 Tests)
Taqele Naiyaravoro – Waratahs (1 Test)



ENGLAND
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15. Mike Brown (Harlequins, 51 caps)
14. Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 23 caps)
13. Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 24 caps)
12. Owen Farrell (Saracens, 42 caps)
11. Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 16 caps)
10. George Ford (Bath Rugby, 24 caps)
9. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 60 caps)
1. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 34 caps)
2. Dylan Hartley (captain, Northampton Saints, 74 caps)
3. Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 64 caps)
4. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 6 caps)
5. George Kruis (Saracens, 17 caps)
6. Chris Robshaw (Harlequins, 50 caps)
7. Teimana Harrison (Northampton Saints, 1 cap)
8. Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 28 caps)

Replacements

16. Jamie George (Saracens, 7 caps)
17. Matt Mullan (Wasps 12 caps)
18. Paul Hill (Northampton Saints, 4 caps)
19. Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 34 caps)
20. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 48 caps)
21. Jack Clifford (Harlequins, 7 caps)
22. Danny Care (Harlequins, 61 caps)
23. Elliot Daly (Wasps, 4 caps)


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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:18 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Bit of flattery for them but they lost 3-0.  Excellent series England.  The better side every time.

Yet you said the better team through each game was Australia.

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:50 pm

Of course I did. If I ever tried the opposite we would lose. Trust me. The cricket guys understand my madness.

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:52 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Spent much of the day so far taxiing my daughters around, so only watched first 30 minutes and a varied set of scraps from the 2nd half - and that was on my phone. In that time it was quite noticeable that Harrison looked underpowered and was struggling with the pace of the game and Nowell just did not seem to be at the races.

Overall our physicality was down on the previous two games, and the team looked tired - but had the sheer doggedness to persevere.

Well done lads.

Get then to pass their tests as soon as possible. My son passed this year and we've got him a car and now have complete freedom.. No more taxi service.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:59 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Of course I did.  If I ever tried the opposite we would lose. Trust me.  The cricket guys understand my madness.

just tiring to read and makes it hard to read when you're lying.

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 6:00 pm

Hood83 wrote:Also the only thing that gives me some cheer this weekend.

Me too Hood. Ray of light in a dire dire weekend.

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 6:05 pm

eirebilly wrote:Before the start of this series, I predicted England to win 3-0 comfortably as they are the better side in my opinion. Got fairly ridiculed by a few on here but I was pretty much bang on (was closer than I thought but still a whitewash).

Well done to England and their fans, been some wonderful rugby played and ye are fully deserved of the series whitewash. Take some pints and be happy boys thumbsup


I am now , cheers Billy. Had to do lots of exercise today after a slightly lazy week and then take the wife to buy a new laptop but enjoying a nice beer now.

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Post by yappysnap on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 6:25 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:Of course I did.  If I ever tried the opposite we would lose. Trust me.  The cricket guys understand my madness.

just tiring to read and makes it hard to read when you're lying.

It's called cognitive dissonance, Treb is obviously a bit. But he's not lying. Chill out No 7 and enjoy the win mate. OK

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Post by yappysnap on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 6:28 pm

Massive well done to England.

This is totally new ground for me having only really started following rugby in about '06. Watching a team that just keeps on winning, and who you're confident are going to do the job and keep on winning is a great but slightly terrifying feeling. Shocked

Eddie Jones - I, like a few others was a sceptic. But I'm now a believer.


Who got MoM?

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 6:55 pm

yappysnap wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:Of course I did.  If I ever tried the opposite we would lose. Trust me.  The cricket guys understand my madness.

just tiring to read and makes it hard to read when you're lying.

It's called cognitive dissonance, Treb is obviously a bit. But he's not lying. Chill out No 7 and enjoy the win mate. OK
Fine by me but if he feels he needs to write it he needs to own it.

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Post by yappysnap on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 7:01 pm

I don't think that's how forums work, you can just write what you want tbh

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 7:07 pm

Yeah and he writes bs throughout and then claims otherwise. Tiring.

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Post by SimonofSurrey on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 7:49 pm

Chaps, chaps, chaps,

I come here for a bit of rugby chit chat and find myself in the middle of convention of shrinks.

We just did the Aussies fair and square in three different ways on three successive Saturday's, in their own back yard. Now THAT's worth analysing! Well done the whole squad, and of course Eddie and his staff. Fanbloodytastic, say I Smile

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Post by yappysnap on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 8:00 pm

Agreed, an incredible series of wins, off the back of a grand slam as well.

Eddie Jones has made a huge difference. Let's hope the players get a good bit of rest now though after that monster season they've just played and can come back fresh and fit.

SA first up will be a BIG Test!

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Post by SimonofSurrey on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 8:42 pm

And a chance to get a serious monkey off our backs. If we can beat SAf, we will have beaten every major Test playing nation in our most recent game bar you know who ( or should that be baaaa - you know who).

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 8:49 pm

SimonofSurrey wrote:Chaps, chaps, chaps,

I come here for a bit of rugby chit chat and find myself in the middle of convention of shrinks.

We just did the Aussies fair and square in three different ways on three successive Saturday's, in their own back yard. Now THAT's worth analysing! Well done the whole squad, and of course Eddie and his staff. Fanbloodytastic, say I Smile

Spot on.

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 8:50 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
yappysnap wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:Of course I did.  If I ever tried the opposite we would lose. Trust me.  The cricket guys understand my madness.

just tiring to read and makes it hard to read when you're lying.

It's called cognitive dissonance, Treb is obviously a bit. But he's not lying. Chill out No 7 and enjoy the win mate. OK
Fine by me but if he feels he needs to write it he needs to own it.

No argument with that, fair enough.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 9:08 pm

From what I've seen it looks like NZ will be blackwashing everyone this season. Aus and SA look to be in decline, nobody stepping up there really. ABs still have the Read, Smith, Barrett/Cruden unit winning matches for them - if you can contain that then you just have to worry about their powerful scrum and strike runners... Eng should beat SA on current form, such a shame they're not playing NZ any time soon.

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Post by yappysnap on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 9:55 pm

Tbh watching NZ play, I'm happy avoiding them for a while!

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Post by Barney McGrew did it on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 11:16 pm

Just wow. A couple of observations - let's hear it for super-sub George, he seems to have the Midas touch. Contrary to popular (and my) belief Farrell and Ford just seems to work. Could our IC issue be sorted? The English bulldog spirit (and bench) seems overwhelming, right to the end - no side would currently look forward to playing us. Gotta say though, Nowell needs a rest. And maybe we need to work on the restarts - the catcher needs supporting more. And cheers to Aus - they made the whole series really hard fought.
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Post by aucklandlaurie on Sat 25 Jun 2016, 11:40 pm

SimonofSurrey wrote:And a chance to get a serious monkey off our backs. If we can beat SAf, we will have beaten every major Test playing nation in our most recent game bar you know who ( or should that be baaaa - you know who).

Would you consider the All Blacks a major test playing nation?

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Post by BamBam on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 12:10 am

I think that's who he was talking about laurie!

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Post by TrailApe on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 12:31 am

bar you know who ( or should that be baaaa - you know who).

so...Northumberland or Wales?
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Post by Cyril on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 12:31 am

I don't think laurie read it properly Laugh

Mind you, he is a supporter of the nation soon to be 2nd in the world...

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 1:15 am


Who is going to be number 1?

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Post by Cyril on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 1:20 am

Probably Japan.

Avoiding the initial question I see.

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 1:38 am


What question was that?

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Post by Cyril on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 1:49 am

Jeez. Go to bed.

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 2:07 am


Its one O'clock in the afternoon.

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Post by Cyril on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 2:08 am

Have a nap then Smile

Seriously though, did you not read what he said?

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 2:11 am

Who is he?

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Post by Cyril on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 2:24 am

simonofsurrey

Did you really not think he meant NZ as the one side?

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 2:28 am


Didnt know simonofsurrey even asked a question, what was it? perhaps I could help him.

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Post by yappysnap on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 6:38 am

Laugh Headscratch picard

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Post by nathan on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 7:31 am

I see cheika is having a moan about the ref for the third week on the trot.

I see he didn't have anything to say about the ref in the world cup against Scotland

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 8:01 am

nathan wrote:I see cheika is having a moan about the ref for the third week on the trot.

I see he didn't have anything to say about the ref in the world cup against Scotland


It is just chelka though a sore loser.

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Post by Exiledinborders on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 8:21 am

nathan wrote:I see cheika is having a moan about the ref for the third week on the trot.

I see he didn't have anything to say about the ref in the world cup against Scotland
Whilst agree with Cheika about the Spidercam incident, I have no sympathy with him as he moaned about the referees in both the previous matches. He is clearly just a bad loser.

The answer to the Spidercam issue is to get rid of them. They add nothing.

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Post by lostinwales on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 10:10 am

If the same thing keeps on happening with different referees each time you have to get to a point where you ask yourself - is it them every time or maybe, just maybe Australia might be getting a few things wrong?

One of the best things about this England team is that they seem to have fixed the penalties problem. I don't know if its down to the new coaches or the master classes with George Smith but we have been playing to the rules at the breakdown and its working.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 10:53 am

lostinwales wrote:If the same thing keeps on happening with different referees each time you have to get to a point where you ask yourself - is it them every time or maybe, just maybe Australia might be getting a few things wrong?

One of the best things about this England team is that they seem to have fixed the penalties problem. I don't know if its down to the new coaches or the master classes with George Smith but we have been playing to the rules at the breakdown and its working.

Sarries have been pretty good at only committing to the breakdown when it's beneficial for you to do so and focusing on line speed instead. Gustard seems to be the man driving that philosophy. Judging by the under 20 performance he's passing down his mantra to the age groups.

The body shapes of the England players has improved, that may well be down to Smith's master classes.

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Post by boomeranga on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 11:08 am

Poorfour wrote:Aussie headline: "Now a second continent hates you."

Very Happy probably too soon but, that's good.

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Post by boomeranga on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 11:15 am

milkyboy wrote:really good game management

I feel that more than anything is where you did us in.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 12:04 pm

my Mrs. nearly did for me yesterday, I couldn't see the match as we had to go and pick up a car, got back about 2:00ish and she asked me if I wanted to know the score. 18-17 she said to Australia.

There is me, peed off and gloomy all afternoon until I went online to see the reviews and suddenly heaven shone down upon my person, her phone hadn't updated since half time. Needless to say the celebrations although lasting half as long as they may have were twice as joyous.


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Post by robbo277 on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 3:19 pm

yappysnap wrote:Massive well done to England.

This is totally new ground for me having only really started following rugby in about '06. Watching a team that just keeps on winning, and who you're confident are going to do the job and keep on winning is a great but slightly terrifying feeling. Shocked

Eddie Jones - I, like a few others was a sceptic. But I'm now a believer.


Who got MoM?

Think it was Hooper, he wasn't overly thrilled about it though.

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Post by lostinwales on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 5:07 pm

Brown's try. Watson makes the lovely kick - gets an elbow in the face for his trouble. Wasn't good

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Post by SimonofSurrey on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 6:08 pm

Blimey, one day away from these Boards and all hell breaks loose for nothing. With thanks to all those who've tried valiantly to explain the bleedin' obvious, let me take up the cudgels. (OK, big deep breath now, then)

Hello aucklandlaurie, let me explain my post which has caused you so much anguish:

"And a chance to get a serious monkey off our backs." this an expression we use in the UK to mean to be rid of something annoying and longstanding - in this case England's long winless streak against South Africa in rugby union Test matches between the two nations "If we can beat SAf, we will have beaten every major Test playing nation in our most recent game bar you know who" this might be where it gets a bit tricky, so say focused: here I meant 'will have beaten every major Test playing nation except one whose identity should not be a surprise because they traditionally are very strong and also are playing rather well just now too - but I'm going to avoid referring to them explicitly, choosing instead to refer to them slightly obliquely and very ironically because their identity should be obvious to any rugby fan... ("or should that be baaaa - you know who?" another linguistic device: here I added a clever little pun - 'bar/baa' - to hint strongly at who I meant. 'Baa' is the word we English use informally for the bleating of a sheep. New Zealand is a country known to have many more sheep than human beings, so this indirect allusion to sheep should make clear to anyone who missed the witty pun that I am, in fact, paying due homage to the strength of the New Zealand rugby team - because they are in fact the only other major Test playing nation, apart from South Africa, who won their most recent Test against England. Wales also have a lot of sheep, but England have beaten them twice in 2016, so a combination of rugby strength and lots of sheep in this context could be taken safely as not referring to them ).

So there you have it. I used a little irony and a cheeky little pun in fact to pay homage to the strength of the All Blacks. Rest easy, I neither overlooked them nor denigrated them. In addition, some may feel I have introduced a teeny note of heavy handed sarcasm into the explanation above, too. So many linguistic devices, but so little need to have explained them: why you had to gripe away like this in the first place, stuffing up a thread dedicated to England's stupendous 3-0 win in Australia is anyone's guess.

Of course I consider NZ a major rugby playing nation, indeed the strongest at the moment by a country mile. How could I not?

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Post by lostinwales on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 8:35 pm

Watching it on Youtube. Last two games the version I watched was with Australian commentators, but this one is the Sky version. There is a sort of humor involved in listening to the Ozzies but christ none of them are remotely as embarrassing as Stuart Barnes Erm

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Post by yappysnap on Sun 26 Jun 2016, 8:54 pm

Stuart Barnes was the only terrible but of a great tour (well him and his little pet Harrison). Can we just leave him in Australia please?!

In the 2nd and 3rd Tests he repeatedly contradicted himself to the extent that Harrison took to just blanking him.

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Post by George Carlin on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 11:48 am

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1. All-court England's dominance over Wallabies goes from numbers 1 to 23.

The SpiderCam incident is a sideshow. England's superiority was not a result of a freak accident with the broadcaster's equipment, but a gap between the quality of play in almost every jersey. The truth about Saturday night's loss to England – though Eddie Jones may yet be sympathetic enough not to say it – is that England were at no point deeply stressed in the way they would be against a side such as New Zealand. Even when Australia did threaten to exert some measure of pressure, they immediately relieved it with poor play or ill discipline. In the midfield, Jonathan Joseph made the leap between very good and world class, wrapping up Tevita Kuridrani defensively and looking like a menace every time he got into some space. At No.8, Billy Vunipola did to the Wallabies what Wycliff Palu did to England at Twickenham in 2012. And so the list goes on. Jones has taken all the credit so far. Now the players must be recognised.

2. Bernard Foley and Nick Phipps were dominated by Ben Youngs and George Ford.

Owen Farrell's goalkicking was one implement used against the Wallabies to exert pressure, and the other was a mature, smart display by Youngs and Ford that contrasted starkly with Phipps and Foley's struggles. Waratahs watchers will have noted this season that their play rarely suffers when Phipps is removed for the lively Matt Lucas, and even Phipps' admirers, of which I am one, must concede this has been a trying series for the No.9. It is uncertain whether the malaise spread to Foley or he was already suffering from a slump in confidence, but Youngs and Ford's excellent mixture of sniping runs, smart distribution and adroit kicking gave the visitors a significant advantage on Saturday. The return of the overseas Wallabies will draw a neat line under this England series and add another 10 per cent to the squad, and Will Genia and Quade Cooper will come right back into the picture.

3. Matt Toomua's inclusion was an unreserved success.

Toomua was clever and physical on Saturday, influential in ways beyond his second-half break to set up Israel Folau. For instance, it was Toomua who smashed into Teimana Harrison at the breakdown in the first half (and probably held him down for an instant, just to be sure), ensuring the clean, quick ball that led to Dane Haylett-Petty's try. If you thought that the Wallabies created the numbers rather easily in that passage of play, that's why – with Harrison sat on his backside, there was no openside to help out the backs. Clearly, Lealiifano is seen as a No.10 by the Wallabies, so the odds of Toomua and Matt Giteau sharing the No.12 duties in the Rugby Championship must be skinny. Their partner in midfield might be less certain. Haylett-Petty's accomplished outings provide another option at fullback, which might free up Israel Folau to move forward.

4. Wallabies at least know their enemy.

Australia can probably start preparing for an All Blacks side with Beauden Barrett at No.10 and Israel Dagg at No.15, such has been their impact over the past two Tests. Barrett is of course a thrilling attacker, but he also seems to have spent his time in camp refining his goalkicking routine, which had been the big question mark hanging over his play. For the first time in his Test career, Barrett looked to be in control of the All Blacks machine against Wales, rather than just being a cog in it. His understanding with Dagg and Ben Smith is growing, and the Wallabies will be acutely aware that if they kicked loosely and without distance to the All Blacks' back three, they will get punished. There are few obvious weaknesses in the new New Zealand, and their scrum took another step forward on Saturday.

5. Inconsistency dogs mid-air collision rulings.

In the early stages of the Springboks v Ireland game, Willie le Roux attempted to knock back a Springboks bomb, but collected Ireland No.15 Tiernan O'Halloran mid-air in the process. It sent O'Halloran spinning out of control, and the Irishman landed on his neck. Had the same rationale been applied to the incident as the red cards shown to Jason Emery and Leolin Zas in Super Rugby this season, le Roux would have been sent off. However, referee Glen Jackson brandished only a yellow card, which raises the question of what constitutes a dismissible offence. Le Roux's act was entirely accidental, and therefore in my view worthy of a yellow only, but the precedent for a red had already been set, leading to confusion for observers and, presumably, angst for the Irish, who would have beaten this mediocre Springboks side with something to spare had they enjoyed a one-man benefit for most of the game.
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Post by Scottrf on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 1:37 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Aussie win, being serious I do think a 10-15 point win.  They need it and England may fade.
trebellbobaggins wrote:Shame there, Aussie taking a lead into the second half.

I just hope Eng don't get too thrashed as they look very tired now.
trebellbobaggins wrote:And a score , our defence looks poor tonight but I think it's just the sheer pace.  We don't look quite up with it today.
trebellbobaggins wrote:Good try , then Aussie opening up our defence again.  This could be a high scoring second half.  
trebellbobaggins wrote:Tactically this has gone how Aussie wanted, very quick, every chance to hit right back every time.

Thank you, come again.

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Post by englandglory4ever on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 6:35 pm

Good result but Nowell had a surprisingly poor defensive game. He missed several tackles as did one or two other players. Something to work on I s'pose.

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