Summer Transfer Window 2017 Thread

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

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Time to kickstart this baby...rumours that Kolasinac has signed a deal to go to Arsenal and that Inter are prepared to make Pochettino the highest paid manager in the world to take their job

[Dolphin Ziggler]

To be fair, Dzeko is actually a pretty damn good striker

[Afro]

For all the stats that can be thrown at me, and question marks over Serie a, I've watched a lot of Lukaku and quite a bit of Belotti too, and there's not a lot that will convince me Lukaku is the better player.

He is capable of great things and can be unplayable. He is a great player. But Belotti is clearly better. I just can't see how the opposite can be justified.

[Afro]

Edin Dzeko scores for fun in Serie A.

Aduriz scores for fun in Spain. Doesn't make Suarez/Messi/Ronaldo etc less of a player

[Afro]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelsea-andrea-belotti-transfer-lukaku-10757511

Maybe we'll find out next season

[Hero]

For all the stats that can be thrown at me, and question marks over Serie a, I've watched a lot of Lukaku and quite a bit of Belotti too, and there's not a lot that will convince me Lukaku is the better player.

He is capable of great things and can be unplayable. He is a great player. But Belotti is clearly better. I just can't see how the opposite can be justified.

How is he clearly better?

[Afro]

To me, just watching them play. Belotti is more skilful, is more involved in and contributes more to the game, he's sharper and cleverer. Lukaku is faster and more powerful, but his ball control is appalling and is missing from games more.

I'm not saying Lukaku isn't quality, he is and I don't want him to leave us. Rooney is a big step down for us and we need to use the money to replace his goals. But I see Belotti as better.

[Afro]

Incidentally, Rooney had agreed terms and passed his medical, and will be announced tomorrow

[Hero]

I'd argue though that the points in which Lukaku excels is exactly what Mourinho is wanting in a number 9 for Utd, and you may well be right that Belotti turns out to be the better player, that necessarily though doesn't mean he's the better player for a certain team etc.

[Afro]

I can't argue with that. He could be exactly what United need, and his friendship with Pogba is a big tick in Lukakus favour.

[Afro]

You know me. I'm not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong.

I'm just giving my opinion that Belotti is better than Rom, and that to me it seems obvious. I believe that I am right, but not so arrogant as to not respect other opinions.

[Hero]

Lukaku is a pretty safe bet as safe bets go for what he can do, consistent scorer over the seasons, knows the league, area, manager and players. Belotti could well turn out to be the better overall but it would be far more of a gamble for Utd.

[Afro]

Fair enough. I'd certainly go for Lukaku over Morata or Aubameyang.

A better safe bet would have been Kane. How much is he worth if Lukaku is £90m.

[Hero]

Again though I don't think Kane is the right jigsaw piece. Spurs with Levy would fleece any club for >120m in this current market.

[GSC]

Morata strikes me as the best fit for Mourinho going but he's not worth that

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Dani Alves set to go to PSG instead.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

You know me. I'm not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong.

I'm just giving my opinion that Belotti is better than Rom, and that to me it seems obvious. I believe that I am right, but not so arrogant as to not respect other opinions.

But Belotti is clearly better. I just can't see how the opposite can be justified.

That may be why people don't feel you're quite eager to be open to debate.

And, to be fair, the opposite view was quite well (if I do say so myself) justified.

[Afro]

You know me. I'm not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong.

I'm just giving my opinion that Belotti is better than Rom, and that to me it seems obvious. I believe that I am right, but not so arrogant as to not respect other opinions.

But Belotti is clearly better. I just can't see how the opposite can be justified.

That may be why people don't feel you're quite eager to be open to debate.

And, to be fair, the opposite view was quite well (if I do say so myself) justified.

You taking what I have said completely wrongly and out of context. I'm saying that from my watching of both players, I can't see it as close, and that to me Belotti is clearly better.

Not that you can't justify it and I'm not open to debate. I'd hope others who know me well would back me up that I am not that ignorant.

For the record, your justification doesn't sway me. The stats don't sway what I judge with my own eyes

[Dolphin Ziggler]

That's fine, but you can see why it would be a justification.

I don't think one genuinely wow season of Belotti should have him up at the echelons you have him, but it's a game of opinions. I agree on the style of Lukaku being huge for them too.

I hope we get to find out in the league though!

[Holymiky]

You know me. I'm not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong.

I'm just giving my opinion that Belotti is better than Rom, and that to me it seems obvious. I believe that I am right, but not so arrogant as to not respect other opinions.

But Belotti is clearly better. I just can't see how the opposite can be justified.

That may be why people don't feel you're quite eager to be open to debate.

And, to be fair, the opposite view was quite well (if I do say so myself) justified.

You taking what I have said completely wrongly and out of context. I'm saying that from my watching of both players, I can't see it as close, and that to me Belotti is clearly better.

Not that you can't justify it and I'm not open to debate. I'd hope others who know me well would back me up that I am not that ignorant.

For the record, your justification doesn't sway me. The stats don't sway what I judge with my own eyes

I can vouch

[Holymiky]

Also, my concern with Lukaku when he was potentially coming to Chelsea was that he isn't a European striker simply as he's not been able to prove that yet and obviously Chelsea are back in the CL next season and need a striker who can do that, especially if Costa is actually on his way out.

[GSC]

Everton paying 30m for Sigurdsson

[GSC]

Rooney signs for Everton for 2 years on a free. Wonder if United are paying some salary.

[Atila]

Rooney signs for Everton for 2 years on a free. Wonder if United are paying some salary.

I keep reading that United let him go on a free transfer. If that's true, maybe it allows Everton to pay him more cash? A sign on fee or something like that to help cover his pay cut?

If United have let him go for free, I hope they're not paying out money for Rooney.

[Guest]

If United are paying part of Rooney's wages - then that represents a loan deal and not a transfer? Worldwide Rooney's name still probably has a significant market value - and presumably the trademark licence transfers to Everton?

[Dolphin Ziggler]

You can pay wages after selling.

[Afro]

I've heard we are paying him £150k a week which makes him our top earner. No idea if United are paying him for the last year of his contract or not.

[GSC]

Sentimentality over sense for Everton but there's a 150k a week gone missing somewhere

[Holymiky]

Glad we got Rudiger in today, looks like a really promising defender. Not sure what Conte's plan is formation wise next season though.

[Atila]

Not worth 150k but Rooney might do a decent job for Everton, a fresh start might be just the kick up the backside he needs. If he's a regular starter, I see no reason why he shouldn't get 15 to 20 goals for them, maybe more.

[Nathaniel Jacobs]

Being reported that Monaco midfielder Tiemoue Bakayoko is close to a £35m move to Manchester United. Imagine the look on Conte's face if Mourinho nabs Lukaku and Bakayoko from his grasp

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Not worth 150k but Rooney might do a decent job for Everton, a fresh start might be just the kick up the backside he needs. If he's a regular starter, I see no reason why he shouldn't get 15 to 20 goals for them, maybe more.    

There's no way he should be a regular starter after all the money they've splashed (and continue too - Sigurdsson to be confirmed tomorrow)

[Hero]

I believe Rooney got a one off loyalty payment from Utd to leave, presume it'd amount to close to a years salary.

[Afro]

Rooney's going to have to rediscover some long lost form to be a regular starter.

He's going to be a squad player with our European games in mind, and to bring a bit of experience to the good group of youngsters we have coming through.

Also he is still a big name in the Far East, so will be part of keeping some of our sponsors happy.

Farewell to Lukaku. Going to miss the goals, if not the attitude and bi-annual interview with Belgian newspapers about how he is ready for a bigger club.

[Hero]

Looking through the Man Utd feeds on Facebook and there's a huge amount of anger from overseas fans about Rooney going.

[Guest]

Newcastle looking to tie up Jacob Murphy for £8m. Thoughts, Olly?

[Guest]

Looking through the Man Utd feeds on Facebook and there's a huge amount of anger from overseas fans about Rooney going.

I don't get it personally. yes I'm thankful for what he's achieved at united and he has been a big part of our recent history, but if anything I think he overstayed his welcome by a good two seasons (obvs not his fault Moyes first order of business was a new contract). Best of luck to him and all that. I hope he does well at Everton but certainly not going to lose sleep over a player who has been on the sharpest of declines for 2 years

I don't see there being any truth in the Bakayoko story personally.

Jim white apparently said Moshiri has advised 3 new players still to arrive at Everton. Not mentioned names though....Sigurdson? Giroud? Can't think of who the third may be, have they been linked with any other positions

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I'd align the foreign outrage to the same kind of mentals that bark abuse at wrestlers on social media; there's a real love of a name in these markets.

[Hero]

Looking through the Man Utd feeds on Facebook and there's a huge amount of anger from overseas fans about Rooney going.

I don't get it personally. yes I'm thankful for what he's achieved at united and he has been a big part of our recent history, but if anything I think he overstayed his welcome by a good two seasons (obvs not his fault Moyes first order of business was a new contract). Best of luck to him and all that. I hope he does well at Everton but certainly not going to lose sleep over a player who has been on the sharpest of declines for 2 years

I don't see there being any truth in the Bakayoko story personally.

Jim white apparently said Moshiri has advised 3 new players still to arrive at Everton. Not mentioned names though....Sigurdson? Giroud? Can't think of who the third may be, have they been linked with any other positions

I reckon the rumour has been instigated by someone close to Chelsea so that when Chelsea announce the signing the fans have a sense of revenge for Lukaku.

[Geordie]

Newcastle looking to tie up Jacob Murphy for £8m. Thoughts, Olly?

Whats your thoughts John...?

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Newcastle looking to tie up Jacob Murphy for £8m. Thoughts, Olly?

Whats your thoughts John...?

Firstly from all the local reports down here, £8m won't be anywhere near enough to get him. Apparently we're after £15m, which is ludicrous but he did sign a new contract until 2021 in January, so unlike Redmond we don't need to sell him this summer.

On the player himself - he's a great talent, but he's still pretty raw. I think he could play PL and not disgrace himself, but he's going to take another year or two of development before being a proper PL player imo. Sounds very very English, but he does need to become a bit stronger and braver - he's easily brushed off the ball. No doubting his eye for goal and skill on the ball tho

We have said every player has a price this summer, so if you really do want him you could probably get him. But it won't be £8m from what I've seen/heard.

[Crimey]

Belotti is a much more complete player. Worth far more than Lukaku

Lukaku pretty much guarantees you 25-30 goals a season - worth far more than Belotti

Belotti would easily match Lukaku's goal tally. Scored more goals in a more defensive league

Not the 1990s anymore. 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/serie-a-most-entertaining-football-10523404

Serie A the least defensive league of the big ones in Europe right now.

[Afro]

Fair enough. I stand corrected

[Geordie]

Apparently we are in negotiations for Jesus Navas aswell. However Seville are interested in taking him back to spain.

[Guest]

Heard that rumour. I wish I hadn't.

Beyond awful.

[Geordie]

Apparently that's already put to bed John. No deal happening.

And Norwich have rejected the 8.5m bid for Murphy.

Names flying all over now such as Montero, Keiron Gibbs (still stumbling on)  etc etc

Tom Heardman the 21yo striker has signed a new deal and gone out on loan to....Bury.

[Guest]

Everton paying 30m for Sigurdsson

Swansea just rejected £40m from Leicester for Sigurdsson

Marko Arnautovic hands in transfer request

[Atila]

Not worth 150k but Rooney might do a decent job for Everton, a fresh start might be just the kick up the backside he needs. If he's a regular starter, I see no reason why he shouldn't get 15 to 20 goals for them, maybe more.    

There's no way he should be a regular starter after all the money they've splashed (and continue too - Sigurdsson to be confirmed tomorrow)

If he is getting 150k a week, I'm sure Koeman is expecting Rooney to be a regular starter.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

We've been after Arnautovic at least a week, story goes that we've bid £15m, it's been rejected so he's handed a request in.

Hernandez deal a problem cos he's on £125k a week and we don't wanna pay it.

[GSC]

3 weeks ago that bid went in apparently. Stoke expect an improved offer

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Seen that too, Percy from the Telegraph? Burt is in on it too and he's a Sullivan guy. Snodgrass may be offered as part of it, which is a two stones situation

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