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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri 23 Jun 2017, 9:35 am

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I figure a thread for cricket stuff from around the world that doesn't warrant a series-thread is useful
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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 17 Mar 2019, 5:09 pm

VTR wrote:Ireland in with a chance. Target of just under 150 but very passive start to the chase from Afghanistan. Reminds me a lot so far of England collapsing to defeat in the UAE chasing a similar total at the start of 2012

After scores of 0, 0 and 4 in his first three Test innings, pleased that Andrew Balbirnie has got some runs under his belt at the top level - 82 today. I feel Ireland are still second favourites but, as VTR says, they are in with a chance and Balbirnie has played his part in that. He's caught my eye in the past in ODIs, particularly his reading of the game and how he judges the pace of an innings.

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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 24 Mar 2019, 7:44 am

Catching up on last weeks ...Aus continuing their unexpectedly decent ODI form in Asia.
They seem to have figured out how to make spinners work for the, finally, partly due to Zampa actually being good in short format, and accepting that Lyons bowling is good enough to get him a place over an all rounder even if that effects the batting/pace depth.
The problem is these pitches ( especially Sharjah where noone ever scores big) are likely very different to the world cup ones. The economy of the spinners will be tested on a flat English pitch where the ball comes onto the bat nicely and the boundaries are pulled in, and they will want an additional quick in the side. To maintain batting depth it would have to be Zampa or Lyon dropped and Maxwell retained.

And where would Warner and Smith fit in? Theres only 4 batting spots, one of which is the captain. Do they push out Khawaja, Handscomb or Marsh? All 3 have been making match winning scores on this tour. Smiths still only played two T20 games since his ban and done nothing at all, Warner a bit more but mixed results. Its obviously nice for them to have that quality of player as a potential option, but bringing them back into the mix is going to be unsettling no matter how much positive talk they make to the media.

Still looking improved on where they were a few months back and could be a real force at the world cup.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 24 Mar 2019, 12:20 pm

Warner and Smith walk back into the Australian side. Carey and Khawaja will miss out. It’s merely tough luck on the ones missing out but you don’t leave out two of the greats of Australian cricket.

Speaking of Warner he hammered 85 on his IPL return

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Wed 27 Mar 2019, 8:38 pm

Australia hammered Pakistan again to clinch the series 3-0 with 2 games to spare.

Aaron Finch continued his hot streak with 90 but Glenn Maxwell played the innings that shaped the match. ‘The Big Show’ blasted 71 off 55 balls on a pretty slow pitch.

Pakistan’s top order was blown away by Pat Cummins 3-24 and Adam Zampa claimed a career best 4-43 mowing down the tail. Only Imam 46 and Imad 43 crossed 40 for the hosts.

Six consecutive wins now for the Australians whom will be further buoyed by the returns of Smith, Warner and Starc.

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Post by wisden on Thu 28 Mar 2019, 4:03 pm

Smith dosent get back into the ODI side right now i dont think, think they will wait for the ashes, however they will do whatever they can to get Warner back in white ball cricket

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Fri 29 Mar 2019, 11:40 am

wisden wrote:Smith dosent get back into the ODI side right now i dont think, think they will wait for the ashes, however they will do whatever they can to get Warner back in white ball cricket
The likes of Khawaja, Marsh and Carey are the ones likely to miss out. Warner will open. There's no debate about it. And you'd have to be pretty brave to leave out Smith tbh. Khawaja has never been a top player so he's probably one under pressure.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 29 Mar 2019, 5:00 pm

Well given Smith and Warner were available play the last two ODIs it's a stretch to say CA would do anything.
The press has turned on them a bit too dragging up rumours that the entire senior test bowling unit threatened to strike unless they were banned and pointing tooth obvious tension that will remain in the camp on both sides from that.
There's no question both will be in the world cup squad but winning 6 on the trot, albeit against some poor opposition, is something they haven't managed for a long time with it without them. They clearly aren't indispensable players.
Talk from CA is of unity and how everyone needs to pull together and play for the team. That only screams more of internal drama.
Captain goldenbollovks is all about " tough selections"
But hey it's a much better place to be in than they were, and any runs Smith and Warner do get in IPL will greatly ease their selection. The worst case would be shoehorning them into the team if they weren't playing well. The minute they score some runs for Aus all will be forgiven.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Fri 29 Mar 2019, 7:02 pm

Australia move 4-0 in the series after Pakistan produced an epic choke.

Maxwell 98, Khawaja 62 and Carey 55 got Australia up to 277. Maxwell fifth time out in the 90s

Pakistan where 218-2 couldn’t get home. Debutant Abid Ali 112 and Rizwan 104 yet they crumbled at the end.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 1:01 pm

James Pattinson is pressing his case for Ashes selection. Pattinson took 7 wicket in the Sheffield Shield final.

Pattinson is scheduled to play 8 first class matches for Nottingham.

It seems like Richardson, Pattinson and Siddle are playing for two touring spots.

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Post by wisden on Tue 02 Apr 2019, 12:02 pm

India retain the ICC test mace, for the 3rd year in a row.

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Post by Duty281 on Thu 02 May 2019, 3:54 pm

Shahid Afridi is five years older than previously thought.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/26654309/shahid-afridi-reveals-real-age-autobiography

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Post by KP_fan on Wed 17 Jul 2019, 6:13 pm

India will start tour of WI for 2 tests and 3 ODIs and T20s each.....in a couple of weeks.

Indians adulate and treat their stars like god, but there is aftermath them for not meeting the expectations set, especially when many believed it was realizable.

-It appear like kohli will lose limited over captaincy to Rohit....and its not a bad thing necessary for 2 reasons:

1-Kohli treated tests as premium form of the game & often after a tough test series , he would skip half of the ODI series, seeking rest / break. with split captaincy ODIs will get as much focus as tests.

2-Kohli was found wanting in his captaincy in world cup, as in being too reactive.
He was always seen as trying to fix the limitations of the last game...and in the end resulted in confused batting orders and team selections.

-Dhoni surely will play no more but might be retained as a mentor or possibly even coach / advisor for limited overs.

-Management of ODIs should look at moving Kohli down to No. 4 or 5 vacated by Dhoni and aim that he uses his experience to Marshall the second half of the innings.
Leaving dashing players like Pant. Shaw., Shreyas Iyer to play in the top half of the inning.

-Bumrah 6 shami will get due rest and will be brought back in tests surely. Express Pacer Navdeep saini reportedly hitting 150kph might get a break and left arm seamer Khalil ahmed might be back too.





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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 17 Jul 2019, 8:08 pm

I cannot imagine how bad the west indies are going to be in that tour

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 19 Jul 2019, 9:15 am

Zimbabwe have been banned again for "political interference" which is a nice way of saying corruption.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 19 Jul 2019, 9:17 am

Ben Stokes has been nominated for the "New Zealnder of the year" award  Laugh

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Post by wisden on Fri 19 Jul 2019, 4:17 pm

Trevor Baylis will take over as coach of sunrisers hyderbard once his england contract expires

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Post by KP_fan on Mon 22 Jul 2019, 7:16 pm

India bring in express Navdeep Saini, leggie Chahar, Shreyas Iyer and Manish Pandey in team(s) for WI

I think pandey has been picked many times and found inconsistent......ain't a good pick.
Shubhman Gill would have been better.

Sahas back as WK and I think that's with an eye on Pant's workload...but pant's most needed in tests to give depth to our batting and Saha is not in the limited over form.

Bharat would have been a better pick.

Kohli is the captin for all forms but its not realistically possible to stay focused on all forms of cricket and also captain a side in IPL
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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 26 Jul 2019, 11:05 am

Mohammad Amir retires from test cricket to concentrate on the white ball game.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 26 Jul 2019, 11:11 am

LondonTiger wrote:Mohammad Amir retires from test cricket to concentrate on the white ball game.

I think the emergence of Shaheen Afridi might have "retired" him...
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Post by KP_fan on Mon 29 Jul 2019, 9:41 am

World test championship starts now and top-2 teams will play in the final in less than 2 years time.
Its no an all play all...nor is there a strict minimum away game critera
How is the points system?
what if teams are tied on points?
maybe there should be a separate thread for ICC test championships

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Post by Pal Joey on Mon 29 Jul 2019, 1:52 pm

Yes indeed. The New Era begins now. I'll go with it.  Very Happy

It's probably a lifeline for Test cricket in a way. Seemed to be petering out in certain parts of the globe. It gives us a points table; something to look at and analyse/predict performances/results for a given block of time. At least it should perk some interest with a Final at the end of a 2-year cycle.

You'd want your team at the end of all those games to be match fit and ready and in form for the big one, wouldn't you?
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Post by Duty281 on Mon 29 Jul 2019, 2:46 pm

It's a nice idea, but the World Test Championship has very flawed execution. The points system looks awful. Having a one-off final, rather than a series, is silly. Not every team is playing each other - New Zealand don't have to play England or South Africa, while Australia won't be playing Sri Lanka or the West Indies, so that's a huge advantage to the Kiwis over the Aussies straight away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–21_ICC_World_Test_Championship

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Post by KP_fan on Mon 29 Jul 2019, 2:59 pm

Duty281 wrote:It's a nice idea, but the World Test Championship has very flawed execution. The points system looks awful. Having a one-off final, rather than a series, is silly. Not every team is playing each other - New Zealand don't have to play England or South Africa, while Australia won't be playing Sri Lanka or the West Indies, so that's a huge advantage to the Kiwis over the Aussies straight away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–21_ICC_World_Test_Championship

you are right....not all play all...and the home vs away advantage is not evenly treated in the 2 year cycle.

This is because there are no special schedules designed for the championship......countries stick to their existing FTP schedules...and so the some will have an easy cycle now and a difficult one in the subsequent two years.

What I would like to understand if the points scoring system giving weight to the relative rankings of the side is at-least preserved

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 29 Jul 2019, 3:06 pm

Agree that is a good idea in principle, but poorly executed due to essentially them not designing the schedule to make it even for all. Feels very half heartedly done, like many things the ICC do in terms of the global game when it comes to Test cricket.

And the final not being a series is a shame - I've always wondered what it would be like to get a series like say Eng vs Aus in a neutral venue (ie. UAE, India etc) where neither side benefit from home conditions.
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Post by Duty281 on Mon 29 Jul 2019, 6:42 pm

KP_fan wrote:What I would like to understand if the points scoring system giving weight to the relative rankings of the side is at-least preserved

Doesn't look like it, the only variable on the points scoring is the length of the series e.g. a test win in a two match series is worth 60 points while in a five match series a win is worth 24 points.

Seems a pretty poor system as, for instance, a 4-1 win for England over Australia is worth fewer points than a 2-0 win over Bangladesh in a two match series!

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Post by KP_fan on Mon 29 Jul 2019, 8:08 pm

Duty281 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:What I would like to understand if the points scoring system giving weight to the relative rankings of the side is at-least preserved

Doesn't look like it, the only variable on the points scoring is the length of the series e.g. a test win in a two match series is worth 60 points while in a five match series a win is worth 24 points.

Seems a pretty poor system as, for instance, a 4-1 win for England over Australia is worth fewer points than a 2-0 win over Bangladesh in a two match series!

Oh I see now BCCI has arranged a 2 match series vs WI and another one against BD in a hurry.....so these 4 wins will give India 240 points already
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Post by Galted on Mon 29 Jul 2019, 10:39 pm

At least it means the more useless countries will get plenty of tests.
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Post by KP_fan on Tue 30 Jul 2019, 6:00 am

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/world-test-championship-explained-a-total-of-71-test-matches-played-over-27-series-5862289/

A good explanation here
-6 series, 3 home and away each for each of the 9 teams
-each series 2 to 5 tests and cumulative 120 points per series
-ICC ranking points system and rankings will count & continue separately
-Ind's away series are in NZ, Aus and WI....an Ind's 5 match series is when hoisting Eng next winter
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Post by Gooseberry on Tue 30 Jul 2019, 7:35 am

It's kind of inevitable that the finals would have to be a single test. How else would they fit it in the schedule? Or does everyone else have to take a two month break for it?

The same goes for the everyone plays everyone thing. Now there's a lot more test teams it's not plausible, unless you want to a strict two division system with almost no cross play which would hurt those "developing" teams. It would also damage any hopes of test cricket being profitable which does matter if it's going to have a future.

I don't really see that anyone's "nice to haves" are really practical, except maybe a slightly different coring system based on relative ranking weights? (Then we could complain that the top teams are effectively shutting out the lower ones by not playing them enough ....)

Its a flawed system of course, but the one off test will still have some spice to it and some of the series leading up to it will have a bit more interest for the neutral.

I'll be interested to see how much disparity there is between the champ and world rankings at the end of the cycle. You could end up with the number one team not playing for the trophy, if that is the case it will strongly indicate the scoring system is heavily flawed. I'm kinda hoping someone did an exersice to go back and check historic results against rankings under the two systems to see if they broadly matched up, if they don't it will undermine the credibility of the champs.

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Post by KP_fan on Tue 30 Jul 2019, 9:20 pm

I won't be surprised if its an Ind-SL fiinal at Lords
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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 31 Jul 2019, 1:18 pm

Is that based on Sms fixtures? They are rank awful at test cricket despite their home advantage.

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Post by Galted on Mon 05 Aug 2019, 3:36 pm

SA have let Ottis Gibson go, not surprising after the less than perfect world cup. Might deserve some sympathy as he wasn't given much time though this is balanced by the fact that they lost the ability to bat and field during his tenure.
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Post by JDizzle on Mon 05 Aug 2019, 5:53 pm

Dale Steyn has retired from Test cricket. Not a major surprise, the injuries have been piling up but he has a legitimate argument to be considered (certainly amongst) the best fast bowler of all time. Incredible record.

Here is the full list of Test bowlers who have a better strike rate (minimum 200 wickets):

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Mon 05 Aug 2019, 5:56 pm

Steyn was the benchmark for so long, something like 230 odd weeks as number 1 ranked bowler. He leaves just as the next generation have arrived - Cummins, Bumrah and Rabada.

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Post by Galted on Mon 05 Aug 2019, 6:50 pm

JDizzle wrote:Dale Steyn has retired from Test cricket. Not a major surprise, the injuries have been piling up but he has a legitimate argument to be considered (certainly amongst) the best fast bowler of all time. Incredible record.

Here is the full list of Test bowlers who have a better strike rate (minimum 200 wickets):

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Just had a look on Cricinfo and the next best strike rate for bowlers with over 400 wickets is Richard Hadlee with 51, Steyn's is 42.
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Post by KP_fan on Mon 05 Aug 2019, 7:04 pm

India has in a lacklustre way won 2 T20s....batting continues to be wobbly
150kph Saini is the only bright spot
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Post by JDizzle on Mon 05 Aug 2019, 7:29 pm

Galted wrote:
JDizzle wrote:Dale Steyn has retired from Test cricket. Not a major surprise, the injuries have been piling up but he has a legitimate argument to be considered (certainly amongst) the best fast bowler of all time. Incredible record.

Here is the full list of Test bowlers who have a better strike rate (minimum 200 wickets):

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Just had a look on Cricinfo and the next best strike rate for bowlers with over 400 wickets is Richard Hadlee with 51, Steyn's is 42.

Steyn played the majority of his career in a batsman friendly era too. Mind boggling numbers.

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Post by KP_fan on Wed 07 Aug 2019, 10:41 am

Ind white-wash WI in T20s by a 3-0 margin....no big deal...but there are other objectives India has viz:

1-Trying that Pant matures fast into one who could build innings and play to potential

2-Try to other seamers / fast bowlers

3- try back up spin / allrounders

Pant played one good inning and two rash one......the back spinners have been limited in their impact and although Kohli has been verbal in praise of medium pacer Chahr's swing skills.......the real find has been Saini who can bowl at 150kph.

Though the seam bowling combo of Khalil ( left arm fast medium), Saini ( Right arm fast) and Chahr ( right arm medium fast) is not a bad one

Rahul, Dhawan, Pandey didn't prove anything that we didn't know
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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 07 Aug 2019, 11:35 am

JDizzle wrote:
Galted wrote:
JDizzle wrote:Dale Steyn has retired from Test cricket. Not a major surprise, the injuries have been piling up but he has a legitimate argument to be considered (certainly amongst) the best fast bowler of all time. Incredible record.

Here is the full list of Test bowlers who have a better strike rate (minimum 200 wickets):

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Just had a look on Cricinfo and the next best strike rate for bowlers with over 400 wickets is Richard Hadlee with 51, Steyn's is 42.

Steyn played the majority of his career in a batsman friendly era too. Mind boggling numbers.


Also played the majority of his tests in SA (56 of 93) which has been and absolute paradise for seamers. His figures over the past few years havent even been the best of the south african bowlers. 

Not wishing to downplay him too much because he clearly has been a cut above in terms of top level ability and consistency over a number of years, and his away record is not in anyway shabby. If youre giving him bonus points for being in a batsmans era take them off for South Africa compared to seamers who bowled a lot on drop in pitches in UAE (he averages 33 there, which is still good for there but nothing like his home figures). 

That aside he will go down as number one in his generation. Just a shame he didnt play more, but perhaps thats why he managed to maintain such high standards consistently.

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Post by JDizzle on Wed 07 Aug 2019, 12:50 pm

Steyn in SA - 261 @ 21.62 (SR 40.2)
Steyn abroad - 178 @ 24.91 (SR 45.5)

If you just take Steyn’s figures away from home and compare it to all time figures, it’s the fourth best strike rate of all time (min 150 wickets)! He’s an absolute gun and averaging 33 in a whole 4 Test matches in the UAE doesn’t change that. And he did play 90+ Tests...

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Thu 08 Aug 2019, 4:48 pm

Hashim Amla retires from all international cricket

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Post by KP_fan on Sat 10 Aug 2019, 8:00 pm

Rahkeem Cornwall makes it to West Indies Test squad
He is an all-rounder from the islands of Antigua and is perhaps the heaviest cricketer ever. He stands at a towering height of 6’6” and weighs around 140 kg.

Cornwall made his first-class debut in 2014 and has since become a regular for Leewards Islands, even captaining them earlier this year. He has 260 wickets from 55 first-class matches and finished as the leading bowler in the most recent regional four-day tournament.


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Post by Gooseberry on Sat 10 Aug 2019, 8:24 pm

Samit Patel and Mike Getting would make ideal running mates for this guy.

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Post by Galted on Sat 10 Aug 2019, 10:25 pm

Gooseberry wrote:Samit Patel and Mike Getting would make ideal running mates for this guy.

Dwayne Leverock be the ideal captain.
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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 11 Aug 2019, 9:20 am

I was trying to remember that chaps name!

Jokes aside though this does show how unprofessional cricket in the West Indies has become.
Yet somehow they still manage to be a match for the disaster zone that is England

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 11 Aug 2019, 10:24 am

Meanwhile, some Oval regulars believe that Surrey's heavy concentration upon fitness is a reason why so many of their players have missed so many games through injuries this season.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 11 Aug 2019, 10:37 am

Cornwall may be large, but he’s a damn good spinner and big hitter - really should’ve played a lot more for the WIndies already
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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 11 Aug 2019, 10:46 am

Well given they are still willing to pick gayle thats a fair comment. Fat is one thing, but fat and lazy is worse.

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Post by VTR on Sun 11 Aug 2019, 12:49 pm

I'd like to see Devon Smith recalled to play alongside him

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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 11 Aug 2019, 2:55 pm

Apparently he played against England in 2016 and has previous of duffing up the Indians on tour too. Favourite story about him is retiring hurt after being hit IN THE STOMACH. (What are the rules about lost balls in cricket?)

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