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Post by Hero Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:51 am

Week 1 Results

Google Doc Link Week 1

SYDNEY v WELLINGTON

MELBOURNE VICTORY V WANDERERS

BRISBANE v NEWCASTLE

MELBOURNE CITY v CENTRAL COAST

PERTH V ADELAIDE

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Post by BamBam Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:55 am

What in the name of all that is holy was fookin Ribery doing at the end?!!!!!!!

I've had enough of FIFA already

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Post by TwisT Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:58 am

BamBam wrote:What in the name of all that is holy was fookin Ribery doing at the end?!!!!!!!

I've had enough of FIFA already

That's just made me laugh so much Laugh

I think he tried a Pirlo but missed?

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Post by BamBam Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:59 am

Is there anything that can be done about subs? Why on earth was Higuain taken off

I'm considering releasing Ribery for that

I'll sleep on it Laugh and summon him to my office first thing

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Post by Hero Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:16 am

How I laughed when scarface ballooned that.

Nando mentioned that possibly I could switch to manual in the game, make a sub and then switch back so I'm going to test it out later. If it's the case I can then for next week's games we can do that.
Alternatively have a sub bench full of players in positions you don't mind swapping especially as in game injuries and cards can't happen.

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Post by TwisT Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:18 am

Its all abour having depth in your squad too.

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Post by Afro Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:44 am

I think we keep the subs as is. It promotes building a squad.

Higuian being substituted on 58 minutes for Dolberg is as good an example of that as you could get
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Post by BamBam Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:12 pm

I get the squad building, but surely if we're trying to make it realistic there's no way Higgy would have been subbed off - there's some players that aren't ever subbed unless the game is out of sight!

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Post by BamBam Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:15 pm

Sydney player ratings - https://ibb.co/eij2Px

Wellington player ratings - https://ibb.co/j77TxH

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Post by BamBam Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:16 pm

Oops, just realised Hero already had them, never mind

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Post by TwisT Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:09 pm

BamBam wrote:I get the squad building, but surely if we're trying to make it realistic there's no way Higgy would have been subbed off - there's some players that aren't ever subbed unless the game is out of sight!

Are subs made at random times or is it if they reach a certain stamina level or something?

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Post by Afro Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:33 pm

That might be a fair point. The two subs I can remember from my test game were Iniesta and Reus, both of who have a below average stamina rating.

Also might be the reason for not just going for the older, cheaper players
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Post by BamBam Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:39 pm

Seems to be the striker who has been subbed off in the test games and the real one for me

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Post by TwisT Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:19 pm

Then it might also be based on other things like their rating at the time? I'm guessing for a striker a highish rating is based on if they score in the game or had shots?

If he had neither then FIFA could say he is having a bad game and take him off? Realistic in a way but I can see it's not ideal.

However I think it should stay as it is but, if my theory is sound, at least we learn from it and have a suitable back up for situations like this.

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Post by BamBam Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:22 pm

I'm fine with sticking to it as it is, too early to be making changes based on one real game

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Post by Holymiky Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:35 pm

I think we need to stick to the AI doing the work for us at least for season 2, on the flip side of potentially bad subs from the computer, it could also benefit.

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Post by Afro Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:11 pm

Just watched mine and Tino's game. Well that was pretty drab!!! Laugh

What the heck was the formation that FIFA had switched too at the end. Presumably it only switches the formation at the time of substitutions? Is there a way of switching that off
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Post by Hero Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:28 pm

Yeah as subs happen it tweaks formations unfortunately. Thought overall tactically the teams matched what people had sent me tbh.
Feedback wise for yourself would be to a bit bolder centrally, don't think you realise how good your team is and if you go for it you could decimate teams.

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Post by Afro Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:30 pm

Hero wrote:Yeah as subs happen it tweaks formations unfortunately. Thought overall tactically the teams matched what people had sent me tbh.
Feedback wise for yourself would be to a bit bolder centrally, don't think you realise how good your team is and if you go for it you could decimate teams.

Thanks and I agree.

TBH this week was a bit of a feeler to see what FIFA did. It has given me an idea of what I can try next week.
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Post by TwisT Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:00 pm

I don't know if this is correct or not, but in at least the games I have seen the subs have been like for like and not changed the formation.

If the sub it picks doesn't have a like for like position on the pitch as their primary position, then it changes the formation to accomadate it.

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Post by Afro Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:17 pm

So my thought of not picking subs that could replace players I don't want to get subbed doesn't work then.

It picks the players to get subbed first and then changes the formation, so actually has a potentially worse outcome
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Post by Hero Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:19 pm

It subbed out Hamsik for me when he was bossing it.

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Post by TwisT Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:37 pm

All about strength in depth. The days about having RVP x2 have long gone Laugh

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Post by Afro Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:54 pm

My strength in depth was okay - my 3 subs on were Sanabria (79), Tousart (78) and Aouar (75). But my formation went from 4-2-3-1 at the start to 3-4-3 at the end.

Also, it brought on Aouar but kep Seri on the bench, who is an 82 rating and plays the same position. So you can't just assume it will pick the best replacement. You could have Ronaldo on the bench and it will choose Bolasie to come on instead
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Post by TwisT Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:57 pm

Only way round it is for everyone to pick 3 subs. Is that possible?

My formation was and stayed 4231. But as I say it was like for like subs.

Any idea what sub caused that formation change?

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Post by Hero Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:09 pm

I've trialled it with the quick Sub options and it didn't swap to them.

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Post by Afro Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:30 pm

TwisT wrote:Only way round it is for everyone to pick 3 subs. Is that possible?

My formation was and stayed 4231. But as I say it was like for like subs.

Any idea what sub caused that formation change?

No, because you could still easily do the original formation from the final XI - subs were Sanabria for Jesus, Tousart for Fabinho and Aouar for Matuidi

Subasic
Pereira---Ramos---Chiellini---Alonso
Tousart---Aouar
Callejon----Iniesta----Reus
Sanabria

Where is ended

Subasic
Ramos---Alonso---Chiellini
Pereira---Tousart---Aouar---Iniesta
Callejon-----------------Reus
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Post by TwisT Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:42 pm

Aouar is a CM not a DCM so it could have been that? Just a quick check. Because your formation has no CM (if you did play with 2 DM originally) it tried to accomadate?

The other two subs were like for like.

I actually think that's the reason. That's why I never included Pellegrini in my subs (I don't think anyway) because my formation had no CM.

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Post by Afro Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:51 pm

TwisT wrote:Aouar is a CM not a DCM so it could have been that? Just a quick check. Because your formation has no CM (if you did play with 2 DM originally) it tried to accomadate?

The other two subs were like for like.

Good point. That is probably when it switched over. Having said that, it meant Alonso then switched to CB when he is not a CB in his official postions. Silver lining is I got to see how Alonso faired at CB, which I was pondering anyway as he has a decent CB rating (78)
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Post by TwisT Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:54 pm

It's a bit silly I know but if I'm right we would know how to get round it. Depending on your formation make sure your subs can slot in like for like for their primary position. So if you have no CM don't have a CM sub or you run the risk of this.

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