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Post by TightHEAD on Wed 14 Aug 2019, 9:56 am

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WALES VS ENGLAND........................................It deserves a dedicated match thread.

Date: 17th AUG 2019
KO Time: 14:15
Venue: Principality Stadium, Cardiff.

Teams

Wales

Liam Williams; George North, Jonathan Davies, Hadleigh Parkes, Josh Adams; Dan Biggar, Gareth Davies; Nicky Smith, Ken Owens, Tomas Francis; Jake Ball, Alun Wyn Jones (C); Aaron Wainwright, James Davies, Ross Moriarty.

Subs: Elliot Dee, Wyn Jones, Dillon Lewis, Aaron Shingler, Josh Navidi, Aled Davies, Jarrod Evans, Owen Watkin.


England

England starting XV v Wales
15 Elliot Daly (Saracens, 31 caps)
14 Ruaridh McConnochie (Bath Rugby, uncapped)
13 Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 41 caps)
12 Piers Francis (Northampton Saints, 5 caps)
11 Joe Cokanasiga (Bath Rugby, 5 caps)
10 George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 56 caps) C
9 Willi Heinz (Gloucester Rugby, 1 cap)
1 Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 10 caps)
2 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 12 caps)
3 Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 86 caps)
4 Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 59 caps)
5 Maro Itoje (Saracens, 27 caps)
6 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 72 caps)
7 Lewis Ludlam (Northampton Saints, 1 cap)
8 Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 42 caps)

Finishers
16 Jamie George (Saracens, 37 caps)
17 Joe Marler (Harlequins, 59 caps)
18 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 22 caps)
19 George Kruis (Saracens, 33 caps)
20 Jack Singleton (Saracens, 1 cap)
21 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 86 caps)
22 Owen Farrell (Saracens, 70 caps)
23 Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers, 33 caps)


Head to head -  Played 133 - England 63 - Wales 58 - Drawn 12


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Post by tigertattie on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 2:55 pm

Game is Frak.

Just throw the ball at your opponent when they try to tackle you
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Post by Poorfour on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 2:56 pm

Smith is hinging in the scrums.

England are not protecting their possession enough, and while their play in the air is better than it has been for a while, Wales have a definite edge there. England are making yards but losing composure in the red zone.

Watson’s yellow is the first instance of something that is going to be a huge problem at the RWC. Now that players have to clearly wrap the arms, there are going to be a lot more knock ons in the tackle. If they are all going to be treated as deliberate, it’s going to ruin the game.
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Post by RDW on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 2:58 pm

You can't make a yellow out of that kind of scenario when there's so much focus on using your arms in tackles - he was fully committed to the tackle.

Going to be huge controversy at the WC if that's what refs are being told to do!

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Post by tigertattie on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 2:59 pm

A deliberate knock knock on should be where you arm bats the ball down. Of the ball bounces off you in the tackle then it’s not deliberate.

Crazy crazy law. If it’s so open to opinion then by all means penalise but it shouldn’t be a card offence like that
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Post by kingelderfield on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 3:01 pm

George Ford, Eddie Jones, Owen Ferrell......the brians of english rugby.
I don't want to be negative its just so predictable, and it doesnt matter that its only a friendly, as we've seen this too many times before.
All very boring.

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Post by RDW on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 3:02 pm

Also I really don't understand world rankings if Wales winning this will make them top - they're playing a team below them at home, just as NZ did earlier!

Anyone with a PHD in maths able to explain?

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Post by RDW on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 3:06 pm

Pretty turgid stuff but Wales will certainly be the much happier team. Pretty uninspiring from England.

I don't get all the negativity about Biggar - his style of play is perfect for Wales and they've still got as much of a chance with him at 10 IMO

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 3:07 pm

Australia are a couple of rankings below England so a win v them is not worth as much. Fair enough I reckon.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 3:08 pm

Looks like Wales are the best side in the world. 1 loss in two seasons is better than any other side so fair enough.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 3:09 pm

Yellow was fair I think. Watson was trying to make it look like a tackle bit clearly trying to cut off the pass and wales did have an overlap.
Incidentally the director of the tv feed is atrocious. We've missed countless lineouts and the buildup to the try.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 3:10 pm

Are you really allowed to take a penalty, when the opposition are in the middle of changing an injured player during a stoppage, a player who has been carded is still on the field and three "waterboys" are on the pitch distributing water? I always thought the ref had to blow the whistle once play had stopped to restart play.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 3:31 pm

Why would you have to wait for the opposition to be ready? Defeats the purpose of a quick penalty, no?

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Post by The Oracle on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 3:34 pm

Seen plenty of tries scored from catching the opposition napping after the penalty has been awarded. Don’t need to wait for them to be ready.
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 3:43 pm

Ludlam lawes vunipola is not a back row I hope to see much of going forward.

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Post by Poorfour on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 3:46 pm

So is “slide down in the tackle to milk the penalty” officially part of the Gatland playbook now?
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 3:47 pm

Worked in the 6ns so why wouldn't you.

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Post by The Oracle on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 3:54 pm

Poorfour wrote:So is “slide down in the tackle to milk the penalty” officially part of the Gatland playbook now?

But players need to get the ball to ground otherwise they’ll be turned over for being held up. They have to ‘slide down’ to reach the ground!
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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 3:54 pm

Next score wins

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Post by Presuming Ed on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 3:55 pm

wow! Talk about a homer.

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Post by Presuming Ed on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 3:58 pm

No penalty or yellow for Biggar's "tackle" wow!

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Post by Presuming Ed on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:00 pm

Got to hand it to Wyn Jones, he knows how to keep the ref in his pocket with the support of the baying home crowd.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:05 pm

The prop?

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Post by Presuming Ed on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:08 pm

Why do England always kick away pocession when things arent going their way?

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Post by Presuming Ed on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:09 pm

wow collapsing a maul and they get the penalty. says it all really. A farce.

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Post by Presuming Ed on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:10 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:The prop?

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Post by Presuming Ed on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:12 pm

Well done ref, got the result you wanted or felt intimidated to give. I have never seen an international game of rugby that one sidedly refereed. Awful!

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:12 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Why would you have to wait for the opposition to be ready? Defeats the purpose of a quick penalty, no?

90 seconds is not a quick penalty, Youngs has been pulled back twice for taking legitimate quick pens

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:13 pm

Hes just jones then ed.
Dont think jones will be too scared about facing this wales team come the world cup. Get a proper 7 out there or 2 in underhill and curry and we'll be fine. He'll also be pleased by the defence.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:14 pm

Plenty of crying from the English as expected.

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Post by Poorfour on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:14 pm

The Oracle wrote:
Poorfour wrote:So is “slide down in the tackle to milk the penalty” officially part of the Gatland playbook now?

But players need to get the ball to ground otherwise they’ll be turned over for being held up. They have to ‘slide down’ to reach the ground!

Oh come on. There’s going to ground, and there’s milking it. Biggar’s mate even slapped an arm in his face to hold the offending arm in the tackle.

Gatland is a good coach, but all his teams play for penalties.
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:15 pm

Is ed english?

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Post by nathan on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:15 pm

Pretty poor game and ref performance. How biggar didnt get a yellow for that bizarre tackle. Welsh players all over the ball, not releasing tackled players, Moriarty being a dirty I am a twonk of the highest order.

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Post by nathan on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:16 pm

https://twitter.com/SaintsRugby/status/1162741388930420736?s=19

Definitely a yellow.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:16 pm

I am not complaining about Wales winning the game. But regards Wales try. Should it have been allowed to stand? What with players still going off the field.

It was a real test match today and a good win for Wales. But i just question whether the try should of stood.

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Post by Pie on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:16 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Plenty of crying from the English as expected.

Going for the 7 pointer in the last few minutes and losing possession....sound familiar Laugh

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Post by nathan on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:17 pm

Didnt think you could take a quick penalty after the tmo.

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Post by nathan on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:19 pm

Oh and it was a crap game with not much to play for.
I'm not sure many were worried who won.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:19 pm

nathan wrote:Pretty poor game and ref performance. How biggar didnt get a yellow for that bizarre tackle. Welsh players all over the ball, not releasing tackled players, Moriarty being a dirty I am a twonk of the highest order.

laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:20 pm

nathan wrote:Oh and it was a crap game with not much to play for.  
I'm not sure many were worried who won.

You were obviously, going by your reaction. Take a break and let the real fans have the forum back.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:21 pm

Wales showed a lot more of their old self today, but that ref, he needs to go back to reffing school games.

I have never seen an international referee miss so much at the breakdown and maul. Not releasing, playing the ball when not supporting your own weight, in at the side, collapsing the maul. England as usual struggled to adapt to the way the ref wanted to play.

I still can't get over allowing that try, it wasn't a quick penalty, play had stopped, players were being carded and replacements were being made for what presumably was an HAD. If quick pens are allowed in that scenario with none playing personnel still on the field the game is going to go pot.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:22 pm

nathan wrote:Didnt think you could take a quick penalty after the tmo.

Precisely, ref has to restart the game. Where are all the refs on here

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:23 pm

Poorfour wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
Poorfour wrote:So is “slide down in the tackle to milk the penalty” officially part of the Gatland playbook now?

But players need to get the ball to ground otherwise they’ll be turned over for being held up. They have to ‘slide down’ to reach the ground!

Oh come on. There’s going to ground, and there’s milking it. Biggar’s mate even slapped an arm in his face to hold the offending arm in the tackle.

Gatland is a good coach, but all his teams play for penalties.

You’re usually sensible but this is a really poor argument. Biggar had to get to ground, Ludlam could have let him go and stood his ground but chose to go for the neck. Clear as day penalty.

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Post by Pie on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:24 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:I am not complaining about Wales winning the game. But regards Wales try. Should it have been allowed to stand? What with players still going off the field.

It was a real test match today and a good win for Wales. But i just question whether the try should of stood.

should have stood thumbsup

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:29 pm

Pie wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:I am not complaining about Wales winning the game. But regards Wales try. Should it have been allowed to stand? What with players still going off the field.

It was a real test match today and a good win for Wales. But i just question whether the try should of stood.

should have stood up like a man, ignored the crowd and done his job, which was to call it back until he restarted the game thumbsup

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:31 pm

Lol. Gatland is still moaning about the roof.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:32 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
Poorfour wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
Poorfour wrote:So is “slide down in the tackle to milk the penalty” officially part of the Gatland playbook now?

But players need to get the ball to ground otherwise they’ll be turned over for being held up. They have to ‘slide down’ to reach the ground!

Oh come on. There’s going to ground, and there’s milking it. Biggar’s mate even slapped an arm in his face to hold the offending arm in the tackle.

Gatland is a good coach, but all his teams play for penalties.

You’re usually sensible but this is a really poor argument. Biggar had to get to ground, Ludlam could have let him go and stood his ground but chose to go for the neck. Clear as day penalty.

From my memory, Ludlam's arm only entered the neck area once Biggar's weight was on the ground, therefore no danger to the player, The welsh player swinging his arm into Biggar's face was more dangerous

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:32 pm

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Wales showed a lot more of their old self today, but that ref, he needs to go back to reffing school games.

I have never seen an international referee miss so much at the breakdown and maul. Not releasing, playing the ball when not supporting your own weight, in at the side, collapsing the maul. England as usual struggled to adapt to the way the ref wanted to play.

I still can't get over allowing that try, it wasn't a quick penalty, play had stopped, players were being carded and replacements were being made for what presumably was an HAD. If quick pens are allowed in that scenario with none playing personnel still on the field the game is going to go pot.

Ref blew his whistle and play started again. England were napping. Every forum and social media outlet outlet I look at is full of English crying, I'm not sure why you always do that when you lose.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:34 pm

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
Poorfour wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
Poorfour wrote:So is “slide down in the tackle to milk the penalty” officially part of the Gatland playbook now?

But players need to get the ball to ground otherwise they’ll be turned over for being held up. They have to ‘slide down’ to reach the ground!

Oh come on. There’s going to ground, and there’s milking it. Biggar’s mate even slapped an arm in his face to hold the offending arm in the tackle.

Gatland is a good coach, but all his teams play for penalties.

You’re usually sensible but this is a really poor argument. Biggar had to get to ground, Ludlam could have let him go and stood his ground but chose to go for the neck. Clear as day penalty.

From my memory, Ludlam's arm only entered the neck area once Biggar's weight was on the ground, therefore no danger to the player, The welsh player swinging his arm into Biggar's face was more dangerous

The laws state you can’t go for the neck, because when you do there’s danger to the player. Go back and watch it with your eyes open because you’ve already got your previous call wrong. No arrogant comments from you this week either, I wonder why that is....

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:36 pm

mikey. 

I am not crying, Wales won fair and square. I am just questioning the try by North when Wales took the kick off before Watson even left the field.

A good win for Wales. well done.

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Post by Pie on Sat 17 Aug 2019, 4:39 pm

nathan wrote:Oh and it was a crap game with not much to play for.  
I'm not sure many were worried who won.

Not many except yourself

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