best test side in, conditions, where the ball swings, seams around, in england, south africa, new zealand etc

Done the sub contient one, now what about in conditions where the ball nips around, in places like england, new zealand, south africa, etc what is your side, mine is:

1)Mohammad Hafeez
2)Brendon McCullum (WK)
3)Ramnarwesh Sarwan
4)Jonathon Trott
5)Shivnarine Chanderpaul
6)Shakib Al-Hasan (C)
7)Shane Watson
8)Zaheer Khan
9)James Anderson
10)Wahab Riaz
11)Graeme Swann

If the ball is swinging etc then surely Anderson has to be in there?

cricketfan

come on mate
riaz ahead of steyn??????????????????????????????????????????????

I don't think it has to be that blatantly obvious that you don't rate SA cricket players.

The best swing bowling conditions and the best swing bolwer out there is Dale steyn.

Gee!

You've got Swanny at 11 behing Jimmy A. Does not compute.

Carpe Diem wrote:You've got Swanny at 11 behing Jimmy A. Does not compute.

he edited anderson in, must have forgot to or didnt bother changing the order

i didnt bother changing the order

I assume having a Pakistani opening batsman in there is a joke?

Hes only played one test in England, hardly sufficent to elevate him to the status best in the world. We all know that Geoff Boycotts gramndmother should be opening witha stick of rhubarb.

Steyn, Anderson, Khan as the bowlers... Riaz is too prone to no balls.

Sarwans an odd pick too. His test record as a whole isnt great, and hes worse in England than elsewhere. The century he got last time they toured was in very tame conditions, no with the ball looping around.

Steyn, Anderson and Khan definitely as the three seam bowlers, and Swann as the spinner.

Trott has to move up to 3 - that's his spot, and his ability to adjust to the moving ball is very good.

A few years ago I'd have made a good case for Collingwood to be in there, especially if you are talking about extremely difficult conditions - he had many a good 50 in the toughest conditions.

hafeez offers spin bowling

biltongbek wrote:I don't think it has to be that blatantly obvious that you don't rate SA cricket players.

The best swing bowling conditions and the best swing bolwer out there is Dale steyn.

Gee!

Have to disagree mate, I have Anderson as the main man when it is swinging. Prodigious swing, both ways, and such wonderful control it is almost like he has the ball on a string.

Steyn is however a great exponent of very fast outswing and the two of them stand head and shoulders above the rest, but for me there is no more skilled bowler in world cricket than James Anderson with a swinging ball.

Fists of Fury wrote:

biltongbek wrote:I don't think it has to be that blatantly obvious that you don't rate SA cricket players.

The best swing bowling conditions and the best swing bolwer out there is Dale steyn.

Gee!

Have to disagree mate, I have Anderson as the main man when it is swinging. Prodigious swing, both ways, and such wonderful control it is almost like he has the ball on a string.

Steyn is however a great exponent of very fast outswing and the two of them stand head and shoulders above the rest, but for me there is no more skilled bowler in world cricket than James Anderson with a swinging ball.

What a joke.

Zaheer Khan is masterful of swing in all conditions, unlike Anderson who is only any good in England.

Yeah, Anderson took no wickets in Australis where the ball doesn't swing and they use the non swinging Kookaburra ball... Oh no hang on a sec...

JDizzle wrote:Yeah, Anderson took no wickets in Australis where the ball doesn't swing and they use the non swinging Kookaburra ball... Oh no hang on a sec...

Pitches where not the typical Oz pitches this time around.

Barring Perth and Brisbane, the other 3 venues had grass left on them.

This aided Anderson, yet he still didn't take a 5 wicket haul...

sonic_boom10 wrote:

Fists of Fury wrote:

biltongbek wrote:I don't think it has to be that blatantly obvious that you don't rate SA cricket players.

The best swing bowling conditions and the best swing bolwer out there is Dale steyn.

Gee!

Have to disagree mate, I have Anderson as the main man when it is swinging. Prodigious swing, both ways, and such wonderful control it is almost like he has the ball on a string.

Steyn is however a great exponent of very fast outswing and the two of them stand head and shoulders above the rest, but for me there is no more skilled bowler in world cricket than James Anderson with a swinging ball.

What a joke.

Zaheer Khan is masterful of swing in all conditions, unlike Anderson who is only any good in England.

It is not a joke at all, there is a very solid argument for Anderson being viewed as the finest swing bowler around today. It is an opinion. A normal response would have been appreciated, that is all that was necessary.

Are you Indian by any chance? Seems a slightly biased and unexplained claim.

Fists of Fury wrote:

sonic_boom10 wrote:

Fists of Fury wrote:

biltongbek wrote:I don't think it has to be that blatantly obvious that you don't rate SA cricket players.

The best swing bowling conditions and the best swing bolwer out there is Dale steyn.

Gee!

Have to disagree mate, I have Anderson as the main man when it is swinging. Prodigious swing, both ways, and such wonderful control it is almost like he has the ball on a string.

Steyn is however a great exponent of very fast outswing and the two of them stand head and shoulders above the rest, but for me there is no more skilled bowler in world cricket than James Anderson with a swinging ball.

What a joke.

Zaheer Khan is masterful of swing in all conditions, unlike Anderson who is only any good in England.

It is not a joke at all, there is a very solid argument for Anderson being viewed as the finest swing bowler around today. It is an opinion. A normal response would have been appreciated, that is all that was necessary.

Are you Indian by any chance? Seems a slightly biased and unexplained claim.

I take it you didn't see the Ashes sonic where Jimmy in the 4th Test had the Aussies on the rack with swing!!

We shall see how good Khan is in England won't we?

Oh and sonic, grass on the pitch is more of a seam friendly condition, swing is through the air and as such the pitch doesn't have as much of an impact.

Anderson to take more wickets than Khan in England is my bet, though Khan may indeed get Straussy a few times, going by his recent left arm failures

For the record the finest swing bowler around is Mohammad Asif. unfortunately the guy is a special and destroyed his career 5 times overs.

legendkillar wrote:

Fists of Fury wrote:

sonic_boom10 wrote:

Fists of Fury wrote:

biltongbek wrote:I don't think it has to be that blatantly obvious that you don't rate SA cricket players.

The best swing bowling conditions and the best swing bolwer out there is Dale steyn.

Gee!

Have to disagree mate, I have Anderson as the main man when it is swinging. Prodigious swing, both ways, and such wonderful control it is almost like he has the ball on a string.

Steyn is however a great exponent of very fast outswing and the two of them stand head and shoulders above the rest, but for me there is no more skilled bowler in world cricket than James Anderson with a swinging ball.

What a joke.

Zaheer Khan is masterful of swing in all conditions, unlike Anderson who is only any good in England.

It is not a joke at all, there is a very solid argument for Anderson being viewed as the finest swing bowler around today. It is an opinion. A normal response would have been appreciated, that is all that was necessary.

Are you Indian by any chance? Seems a slightly biased and unexplained claim.

I take it you didn't see the Ashes sonic where Jimmy in the 4th Test had the Aussies on the rack with swing!!

We shall see how good Khan is in England won't we?

Zaheer won the 2007 series with a magnificent spell at Trent Bridge.

I rest my case

Fists of Fury wrote:Oh and sonic, grass on the pitch is more of a seam friendly condition, swing is through the air and as such the pitch doesn't have as much of an impact.

Anderson to take more wickets than Khan in England is my bet, though Khan may indeed get Straussy a few times, going by his recent left arm failures

Money wasted.

Zaheer will take 30+ wickets

sonic_boom10 wrote:

Fists of Fury wrote:Oh and sonic, grass on the pitch is more of a seam friendly condition, swing is through the air and as such the pitch doesn't have as much of an impact.

Anderson to take more wickets than Khan in England is my bet, though Khan may indeed get Straussy a few times, going by his recent left arm failures

Money wasted.

Zaheer will take 30+ wickets

Be lucky if he gets 20!

One spell of bowling doesn't constitute him being a better swinger then Anderson

legendkillar wrote:

sonic_boom10 wrote:

Fists of Fury wrote:Oh and sonic, grass on the pitch is more of a seam friendly condition, swing is through the air and as such the pitch doesn't have as much of an impact.

Anderson to take more wickets than Khan in England is my bet, though Khan may indeed get Straussy a few times, going by his recent left arm failures

Money wasted.

Zaheer will take 30+ wickets

Be lucky if he gets 20!

One spell of bowling doesn't constitute him being a better swinger then Anderson

Anderson has done what exactly?

Bowled decent vs Pakistan? Wow I could do that

sonic_boom10 wrote:

legendkillar wrote:

sonic_boom10 wrote:

Fists of Fury wrote:Oh and sonic, grass on the pitch is more of a seam friendly condition, swing is through the air and as such the pitch doesn't have as much of an impact.

Anderson to take more wickets than Khan in England is my bet, though Khan may indeed get Straussy a few times, going by his recent left arm failures

Money wasted.

Zaheer will take 30+ wickets

Be lucky if he gets 20!

One spell of bowling doesn't constitute him being a better swinger then Anderson

Anderson has done what exactly?

Bowled decent vs Pakistan? Wow I could do that

Hmmmmmm 7/43 against New Zealand at Trent Bridge

5/42 against India at Lords

legendkillar wrote:

sonic_boom10 wrote:

legendkillar wrote:

sonic_boom10 wrote:

Fists of Fury wrote:Oh and sonic, grass on the pitch is more of a seam friendly condition, swing is through the air and as such the pitch doesn't have as much of an impact.

Anderson to take more wickets than Khan in England is my bet, though Khan may indeed get Straussy a few times, going by his recent left arm failures

Money wasted.

Zaheer will take 30+ wickets

Be lucky if he gets 20!

One spell of bowling doesn't constitute him being a better swinger then Anderson

Anderson has done what exactly?

Bowled decent vs Pakistan? Wow I could do that

Hmmmmmm 7/43 against New Zealand at Trent Bridge

5/42 against India at Lords

Exactly Anderson is only good at home.

Sonic boom, your ignorance is astounding. Anderson has just proven himself in Australia, a place notoriously hard for pure swing bowlers to take wickets. Surely even you can recognise the skill in doing so?

Fists of Fury wrote:Sonic boom, your ignorance is astounding. Anderson has just proven himself in Australia, a place notoriously hard for pure swing bowlers to take wickets. Surely even you can recognise the skill in doing so?

Factor in it was the most pathetic Oz side I've seen in my lifetime, then no it wasn't anything special.

But each to their own.

For the record Steyn is the best around, be it swing, pace, etc.

Give England credit, they were extremely good out there, and when looking at the Aussie line-up it most certainly wasn't pathetic. Light on bowling options, yes, but their batting was still a strong unit and it took skill to dislodge their top order players.

Steyn is the best pace bowler around at the moment, we are in agreement there. My only point is that I believe (that would be an opinion, it doesn't mean it is set in stone) James Anderson to be the finest exponent of swing when the conditions are in his favour. The control and variation he displays are second to none, in my view.

1. Amla
2. Cook
3. Trott
4. Tendulkar
5. Watson
6. Bell
7. Prior
8. Swann
9. Syteyn
10. Anderson
11. Tremlett/Khan

Subcontinent

Sehwag
Gambhir
Amla
Tendulkar
Sangakkara
Laxman
Dhoni
Harbhajan
Steyn
Zaheer
Mendis

Bouncy/Swinging conditions

Cook
Watson
Trott
Kallis
De Villiers
Bell
Haddin
Swann
Steyn
Zaheer
Anderson

Hafeez? Riaz? Seriously?

And no Steyn ...got to be having a laugh.

Rather Kallis or Amla than Sarwan also. And I'd pick Tendulkar in any conditions.

alfie wrote:Hafeez? Riaz? Seriously?

And no Steyn ...got to be having a laugh.

Rather Kallis or Amla than Sarwan also. And I'd pick Tendulkar in any conditions.

Someone I agree with

yh but sonic people dont agree with ya cos most of the time you just crictise england players when most of them are awesome, for example swann and anderson

My side. Bear in mind this is my opinion, so any attacks on my choice would be greatly unwelcomed!

Assuming this in tests.

1) Cook
2) Dilshan
3) Trott (The man's a class act)
4) Tendulkar
5) Amla (3,4 and 5 could be interchangable really.)
6) Bell (On current form.)
7) Prior (I feel that on his day, he can handle swing better than any keeper.)
8) Swann
9) Anderson
10) Steyn
11) Khan

sainty thats a very good side mate

Cor Sainty that is a cracking side. The only question mark I have would be Bell, I know on current form the boy is doing well, but I was thinking maybe Ross Taylor or Yuraj Singh someone explosive in the side?

its a test side

Each test side has someone explosive and get runs at a quicker rate. Gilchrist, Sehwag, Tammim, Gayle!

Plus with Yuvraj you get bowling!

yuvraj cant get in indian test side, raina and pujara been in his sport for last 6-8 months

Yuvraj should never play Test cricket again.

He can't play swing or seam bowling and is pitiful against spin.

legendkillar wrote:Cor Sainty that is a cracking side. The only question mark I have would be Bell, I know on current form the boy is doing well, but I was thinking maybe Ross Taylor or Yuraj Singh someone explosive in the side?

Ross Taylor is worth a shout he is awesome, a class act in any form of the game, not Singh he is awful.

legendkillar wrote:Cor Sainty that is a cracking side. The only question mark I have would be Bell, I know on current form the boy is doing well, but I was thinking maybe Ross Taylor or Yuraj Singh someone explosive in the side?

you say that however Bell can go at a good rate when he wants to

I considered Taylor, but like I said, opted for Bell on current form and the fact that whyen he's playing well, he's technically the best English batsman in my opinion!

For arguments sake though, Taylor can be 12th man!

I considered Tamim as well too. I thought in the series against England, he was absolutely outstanding.

Ross Taylor has a mediocre test record.

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:Ross Taylor has a mediocre test record.

Average of 41 playing most of his test in New Zealand, which is one of the hardest places to bat. Thats not to bad.

not better than bell though

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:not better than bell though

That's why i have Bell in my side

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:not better than bell though

Does Bell play all his cricket in an average NZ side?

OR damp green tops in NZ?

Bell is better than taylor

Maybe Ross Taylor, but he is definitely not better than Jimmy Taylor...

cricketfan90 wrote:Bell is better than taylor

I'll agree to disagree, but I won't say anymore than that