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Post by Josiah Maiestas Wed 29 Jun 2011, 4:56 pm

Is anyone else thinking that Lopez will give Nadal a much tougher contest than Murray will?

Lopez has:

Better serving
Better volleying
Better temperament -

than Murray has, in my opinion Nadal would prefer to play Murray than Lopez simply because he knows Murray will either play defensive and get overrun, or he will take chances and miss one too many forehands.

What you say?
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Post by legendkillar Wed 29 Jun 2011, 5:01 pm

Considering Nadal holds an 8-2 record on Lopez and 11-4 on Murray, I think Murray would give Nadal the better match.

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Wed 29 Jun 2011, 5:03 pm

Hmm well...

It is more predictable the outcome of Nad-Murray on grass, afterall Nad has beaten him 3-0 both times, and recently 3-0 on clay which is almost playing like the grass.

Lopez seems more dangerous on this surface for Nad than Murray would..
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Post by legendkillar Wed 29 Jun 2011, 5:06 pm

Considering Lopez has only beaten Nadal on Grass last year, and the last time back in 2003 when Nadal was 17. Hmmm.....

Think Murray's game is much better compared to last year.

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Wed 29 Jun 2011, 5:14 pm

Rafa knows how to deal with Murray at Wimby, and Murray is not confident or positive enough to take the match out of Rafa's hands, i'd surely believe that Lopez will make more of a match against Nadal if he is in fit condition..
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Post by yummymummy Wed 29 Jun 2011, 5:16 pm

Hold your horses Josiah - Andy HAS ACTUALLY beaten Rafa.
or did you conveniently forget that fact ?

In answer to your*question*

Nalad would BURY Lopez - the same as he always Has 🤦


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Post by legendkillar Wed 29 Jun 2011, 5:16 pm

I am not so sure. Murray has beaten Rafa twice in Grand Slams, Lopez hasn't. Lopez has beaten Nadal on Grass and Murray hasn't. Can't say I have seen a close Lopez v Nadal match.

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Wed 29 Jun 2011, 5:18 pm

Don't get me wrong yummy, I would probably consider Murray favourite playing Nadal on HC, but never on grass and clay as he has proven much superior for Murray each time they played..
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Post by erictheblueuk Wed 29 Jun 2011, 5:22 pm

If I was Nadal, as I've lost twice to Murray in slams, I'd want to to play Lopez.

Lopez against Nadal will be like another "Fish" out of water once a rally starts.
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Post by sportslover Wed 29 Jun 2011, 5:30 pm

Yes Lopez is good hence he has just lost the first set.

His serving by the way is rubbish!

You must try harder Josiah Laugh

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Post by yummymummy Wed 29 Jun 2011, 5:32 pm

Murray 1 set to love Yahoo Yahoo
I wasn't ignoring you Josiah - just watching tv a the crucial moment Smile

After the disaster of Murrays HC season and then the blossoming
of his CC season and reaching the last 16 at Wimby twice in a row
I'm not QUITE sure WHAT Andys favourite surface is at the moment ! Erm

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Post by sportslover Wed 29 Jun 2011, 7:03 pm

" in my opinion Nadal would prefer to play Murray than Lopez"

With an 8-2 h2h for Nadal against Lopez and Murray having beaten Nadal in two slams.

You cannot be serious Laugh

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Wed 29 Jun 2011, 7:06 pm

I am serious son, Nadal will have little problem taking Murray's game down..
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Post by wow Wed 29 Jun 2011, 7:22 pm

murray will beat nadal, he is going all the way.

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Post by Chazfazzer Wed 29 Jun 2011, 7:30 pm

Lopez is pretty rubbish, frankly. I don't know how he got as far as he did in this tournament. Nadal would rather play Lopez than Murray any day of the week, I imagine!

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Wed 29 Jun 2011, 7:41 pm

u mad?

Murray will go into pusher mode against Nadal which frankly only works on the HC, sorry but it will be a 3-0 Nadal win..
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Post by legendkillar Wed 29 Jun 2011, 7:43 pm

Ha 3-0. Murray will take him in 4.

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Post by Chazfazzer Wed 29 Jun 2011, 7:43 pm

Still, at least Murray has a chance of winning the baseline rallies against Nadal...

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Post by wow Wed 29 Jun 2011, 9:15 pm

legendkillar wrote:Ha 3-0. Murray will take him in 4.
Superlike- you are my fav mod, LK Very Happy

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Wed 29 Jun 2011, 9:23 pm

LK you're falling into the trap of following the BBC biased ideology too much, Murray has no game to threaten Nadal.

A straight forward win for Nadal; bookmark it.
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Post by CaledonianCraig Wed 29 Jun 2011, 9:31 pm

No logic to your thinking whatsoever Josiah.

If world no.24 del Potro and world no.10 Mardy Fish can take sets off of Rafael Nadal at Wimbledon there is absolutely no reason to think why Andy as world no.4 can't do even better - especially considering he has beaten Nadal twice before in slam matches.
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Post by legendkillar Wed 29 Jun 2011, 9:31 pm

Well Josiah tell me what area's of Murray's game that Nadal will exploit and dominate on?

Nadal's BH is weaker now than it has ever been. His first serving percentage is down because he has added pace to it. Murray by far is playing the best tennis of his career. I don't think it is as straight forward as people are thinking.

I think people see Nadal winning so much and believe it is as inevitable as a British summer wash out.

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Wed 29 Jun 2011, 9:33 pm

erm....

Craig, last year Nadal was 2-1 down to Haase and Petzschner, and lost 1st set to Soderling 6-1, Nadal clearly plays better in the 2nd week as he proved by hammering the 4th seed in the semi's.

Murray won't get ahead in the match, you shouldn't believe everything the BBC churns out..
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Post by CaledonianCraig Wed 29 Jun 2011, 9:38 pm

Maybe you allow yourself to be brain-washed by the BBC but my thoughts are clear and by the way we have seen Nadal lose two sets in the second week of a slam event already which proves he is not bullet-proof whilst Andy has won in straight sets. And like I said before Andy has beaten Nadal twice before in slam events so its not like he hasn't done it before.
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Post by Guest Wed 29 Jun 2011, 9:41 pm

I wonder what the betting odds are for a MTO during the Nadal-Murray semi-final.

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Wed 29 Jun 2011, 9:46 pm

Andy's serve will not hold up to the barrage of ammunition that Nadal will throw at him.. he's just a couple of levels below Nadal when they meet outside HC.
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Post by legendkillar Wed 29 Jun 2011, 9:49 pm

I think it will be much closer this time. The most loyal of Nadal fans would admit he hasn't found top form at the moment. He has shown lapses in matches during this tournament and I think if Murray is on top of his game, he can exploit them.

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Post by CaledonianCraig Wed 29 Jun 2011, 9:50 pm

Very odd Josiah. His serve has heldf up before (TWICE) in slams and check your stats and you'll find Andy's serve has improved a lot since then.
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Post by Josiah Maiestas Wed 29 Jun 2011, 10:08 pm

That was on HC brother, totally different game.

Andy has unfortunately been up against players with an average return of serve, and will likely fall into a false sense of security due to not being tested.

Nadal will not let Murray get a look in :p
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Post by CaledonianCraig Wed 29 Jun 2011, 10:11 pm

We shall see. My reasons for optimism:-

1. Rafael Nadal has shown he isn't bullet proof in his last two matches dropping sets against del Potro and Mardy Fish.

2. He has been missing a few eye-opening shots in these matches.

3. His form is not as dynamic as it was this time last year when Andy lost in three tight sets.

4. Andy is in better form than he was at this time last year (when he pushed Rafa hard).

5. Andy is mentally stronger as well than he was a few months ago.
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Post by legendkillar Wed 29 Jun 2011, 10:11 pm

Well Murray has the highest return of serve percentage on the tour this year. Where Nadal is ranked 3rd. Like I say I think Nadal might be in for a shock come friday Smile

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Wed 29 Jun 2011, 10:15 pm

He will try and rally with Nadal, and we know how that always gonna end...
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Post by sportslover Wed 29 Jun 2011, 10:17 pm

Let's hope so legend and I hope he goes on to win it.

Same old records getting played over & over again which gets boring I'm afraid.

I bet Italy, Germany,USA, Australia plus a host of other countries wish they could get one of their players in the semi final of slam never mind win one.

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Post by CaledonianCraig Wed 29 Jun 2011, 10:18 pm

So you are not arguing with my five points then?
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