Khans record v Hattons record

by Steffan Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:02 am

Amir Khans last 10 victories

Zab Judah
Paul McCloskey
Marcos Maidana
Paulie Malignaggi
Dmitry Salita
Andreas Kotelnik
Marco Antonio Barrera
Oisin Fagan
Michael Gomez
Martin Kristjansen

Ricky Hattons last 10 victories

Paulie Malignaggi
Juan Lazcano
José Luis Castillo
Juan Urango
Luis Collazo
Carlos Maussa
Kostya Tszyu
Ray Oliveira
Michael Stewart
Carlos Vilchés

Whos record is the best?

Regards

Steffan

by Jukebox Timebomb Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:04 am

Hatton's

by Jimmy Moz Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:06 am

Khan's

by **88Chris05** Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:08 am

Hatton's by a narrow margin, for me. Khan is one win (Bradley) away from surpassing Hatton, though.

by Day V Lately Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:16 am

Still Hatton's, Bradley might make me think otherwise, Morales would have no affect other that to Khan's bank balance.

by eddyfightfan Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:18 am

about the same, but as mentioned, khan is set to far suprass hatton, in terms of skill and acheivement if not popularity

by AlexHuckerby Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:20 am

Hatton's but to be fair it is just marginal and that shows how good Khan is I suppose considering he's only 24...

by eddyfightfan Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:21 am

khans defeats....... prescott

hattons defeats....... pac man and mayweather

life from another angle

by Day V Lately Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:22 am

Good point Eddy, we seem to going just on wins, Hatton never lost below elite level. Though Khan's a very different fighter now, we have to be fair and look at the whole picture.

by BALTIMORA Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:23 am

It'd be better to compare Hatton's last ten opponents when he'd had the same number of fights as Khan. Hatton's 27th opponent was one Justin Rowsell.

by Day V Lately Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:24 am

Or maybe compare there last 10 when managed by Frank Warren, just to be really cruel on ol' fish eyes!

by AlexHuckerby Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:29 am

To be fair Khan hasn't reach the elite level yet and clearly the Prescott was when he was green but you know still only 24... I reckon he may have a couple more fights left in him me thinks.

by Jukebox Timebomb Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:32 am

Khan's best win....Andreas Kotelnik?
Hatton's best win....Kostya Tszyu.

by AlexHuckerby Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:37 am

At this moment in time however, and I think Judah was perhaps a better win than Kotelnik, and with how he compoletely 100% schooled both of them very easily it shows he's on a different level to normal world class operators. imo.

by Jukebox Timebomb Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:47 am

Khan was good last night, but Judah has done nothing for years. What else have we got to go on? Khan's life or death struggle with Maidana, his pitter-patter run show against Kotelnik? At this moment in time Khan would still be the underdog v Bradley.

by eddyfightfan Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:49 am

i'd say the bookies would have khan favourite

by AlexHuckerby Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:50 am

Not on my money you can bet on Bradley if you like but I'm very confident I would come out laughing, Bradley doesn't beat Khan and I don't see how he could overcome Khan really...

by eddyfightfan Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:52 am

no i'd put khan favourite too, he would spend all night chasing khan and eating jabs/lossing rounds.

by AlexHuckerby Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:54 am

Khan would land far too many punches and seeing as Bradley couldn't pin down Alexander he has no chance for Khan who can do so much more, and is probably quicker, that jab looks better everytime I see him and he looks faster everytime aswell.

by Jukebox Timebomb Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:55 am

Over here Khan maybe favourite, but didn't some make Haye favourite over WK - ridiculous.

by AlexHuckerby Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:57 am

I think stateside he would be aswell HBO rate him VERY highly. I think you're massively underating how good the Americans think he is now and the fact he's trained by "The God" Freddy Roach.

by Jukebox Timebomb Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:58 am

Khan fights more off the front foot since being with Roach which would suit Bradley. Bradley is still number 1 in the division and quite rightly so.

by AlexHuckerby Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:00 am

Jukebox seriously, you not think it would be gameplans? They would devise particular game plans against particular opponents going at Judah was the correct thing to do and moving in and out of range and using the combinations and speed against Kotelnik was also the right thing to do.

by Jukebox Timebomb Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:07 am

AlexHuckerby wrote:Jukebox seriously, you not think it would be gameplans? They would devise particular game plans against particular opponents going at Judah was the correct thing to do and moving in and out of range and using the combinations and speed against Kotelnik was also the right thing to do.

.......and against Maidana?

by Bob Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:11 am

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:Khan fights more off the front foot since being with Roach which would suit Bradley. Bradley is still number 1 in the division and quite rightly so.

Not quite sure Bradley deserves the number one slot. Khan has beaten three of the Ring top six at 140lbs. Only Bradley and the hugely overrated Alexander remain. Bradley has one fight this year, an uninspired technical decision over Alexander, and he didn't fight at all in 2010 at 140lbs.

by KO-KING Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:13 am

Luis Collazo - Makes the Difference in my opinion,
Hatton by a tiny margin

by zx1234 Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:16 am

what's interesting is khan has already beaten the number 3 light welter maidana and a number 2 vs number ranked fighter makes a ring champion, unfortunately for khan at the time of the fight maidana was ranked 4 or 5

by Jukebox Timebomb Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:27 am

Bradley is number 1 at 140 because he beat Alexander when they were considered the best two in the division. What has Khan done to deserve top spot?

by BALTIMORA Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:30 am

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:Maidana is number 1 at 140 because he beat Alexander when they were considered the best two in the division. What has Khan done to deserve top spot?

Care to re-word that..?

by KO-KING Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:31 am

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:Maidana is number 1 at 140 because he beat Alexander when they were considered the best two in the division. What has Khan done to deserve top spot?

Bradley beat Alexander.

Khan was number 2 when Bradley and Alexander fought

by captain carrantuohil Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:13 am

I've thought a bit about this, and would now have to have Khan slightly ahead of Hatton on the lists. For me, if he beats Bradley, he would go ahead of Berg as the greatest British light-welter ever.

by Imperial Ghosty Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:31 am

Khan was rated higher than Alexander at the time of the Bradley fight hence why he's not the ring magazine champion, would have to have Khan has the premier fighter in the division now, beaten 5 top ten ranked fighters in the space of 6 fights.

by WelshDevilRob Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:30 am

Not been a fan of either fighter but Hatton has the better names. I'd take an old Castillo over an old Zab anyday.
Maidana is likely to look worse and worse with every fight as Morales proved.

Great performance by Khan last night but Judah has seen better days.

by Jukebox Timebomb Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:53 am

OK. Bradley was ranked as #1 and Alexander as #3 at the time they fought. By beating Alexander, Bradley cemented his position at the top of 140 lbs. Khan beating #6 ranked Judah is no where near enough to displace Bradley.

by Imperial Ghosty Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:58 am

It's close between the pair his win over Maidana tips it in his favour for me

by J.Benson II Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:01 am

There's not much in it.

Currently, Hatton's win over a faded but still strong Tszyu probably gives him the edge overall.

Other than that, I think Khan has the better quality. Both men have Paulie on their records but Khan's victories over Kotelnik, Maidana and Judah are more impressive than Urango, Maussa and Castillo.

The Collazo win was at 147 so I guess that needs to be taken into consideration, even though I thought Hatton lost that fight.

A unification win over Bradley will surely seal Khan's position above Hatton.

by Lumbering_Jack Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:12 am

Hatton for me. You cant rate a fighter on his wins only. Khan was polaxed by a heavy handed plodder. Hatton lost to the two best fighters of his generation.

Khan will overtake Hatton, but just not yet.

by NoMasDinero Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:25 am

Hatton's is better but if you compare their acccomplishments at this same stage of their careers, Khan is ahead. And barring any major hiccups, Khan will surpass Hatton's overall record.

by paperbag_puncher Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:34 pm

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Hatton for me. You cant rate a fighter on his wins only. Khan was polaxed by a heavy handed plodder. Hatton lost to the two best fighters of his generation.

Khan will overtake Hatton, but just not yet.

Surely Hatton cant be given credit for being dominated by both? The losses weren't even close. He deserves massive credit for fighting them but the fact he lost to them comprehensively is hardly a reason to rate him higher?

by Atila Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:07 pm

paperbag_puncher wrote:
Lumbering_Jack wrote:Hatton for me. You cant rate a fighter on his wins only. Khan was polaxed by a heavy handed plodder. Hatton lost to the two best fighters of his generation.

Khan will overtake Hatton, but just not yet.

Surely Hatton cant be given credit for being dominated by both? The losses weren't even close. He deserves massive credit for fighting them but the fact he lost to them comprehensively is hardly a reason to rate him higher?

Hatton doesn't even deserve massive credit for fighting Mayweather or Pacquiao. If he won he got to say that he beat the best, when he lost at least he was well paid. Hardly much of a risk was it?

A risk would have been fighting Witter, something he didn't have the balls to do.

by paperbag_puncher Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:55 pm

What? Of course it was a risk fighting the 2 best fighters of his generation. Manny nearly decapitated him and i'm sure those 2 losses combined with his lifestyle shortened his career. He was so popular he could have gotten a decent pay day no matter who he fought. From listening to Hatton seems like he genuinely wanted to test himself against the best, and in an era where boxers are happy to hide away at home making meaningless defences of titles that were handed to them he deserves much credit.

Perhaps he should have fought Witter but to say he has no balls after he gets in the ring with people vastly superior to him is nonsense.

by coxy0001 Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:57 pm

A risk would have been fighting Witter, something he didn't have the balls to do.

The same Witter who got smacked around by the horribly average Alexander and Judah? Who never beat an elite fighter of the division?

I guess we should also be saying Khan has no balls as he won't fight Kell Brook. Fact of the matter is that they're simply on 2 different levels, much like Hatton and Witter were and the latter bought absolutely nothing to the table for the former.

by Rowley Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:02 pm

Coxy don't really want to revisit the debate but Witter bought as much to the table as Urango, Paulie or Maussa all of whom were accomodated at various points. Even going back to his WBU days guys like Vilchers, Smith or countless others all of who were faced rather than the British Euro and Commonwealth champion witter. Ultimately Ricky has had his career and it is more than decent with or without Witter but there were plenty times the fight could and should have happened and Ricky chose not to take it.

Never really bought into this Witter brings nothing to the table because when you can shift 50,000+ tickets against Lazcano your opponents ability to sell tickets becomes largely academic.

by Scottrf Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:02 pm

Khan isn't in the same division as Brook and Brook hasn't been his top contender for years like Witter was. Hardly comparable.

by JDandfries Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:35 pm

Asking Hatton to fight Witter, was like expecting Calzaghe to fight Froch.

by captain carrantuohil Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:03 pm

No it wasn't JD, Froch was not a world champion until Calzaghe had virtually retired, and even then, they were in different divisions; there was neither a unification imperative nor any other compelling reason for Froch-Calzaghe, other than Froch's highly understandable desire to unseat the old lion, or at least have a go at it. Completely different from a situation where two fighters from the same country hold world belts in the same division at the same time, and one of them chooses to fight world contenders with many fewer credentials than his co-belt holder.

It was nothing to do with cowardice, I should emphasise for the millionth time. I remain convinced that Witter had annoyed Hatton to the point that Ricky was going to give him a payday over his dead body, but the fight should still have happened, whoever you think might have won it. As far as that is concerned, I think that Ricky would have had a horrible evening but would probably have found a way of winning somehow.

by Rowley Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:10 pm

Captain. I met Hatton some time ago and was discussing this at some length with a friend of his and you are pretty much spot on in your analysis. He basically said that Hatton was more than aware of the negative press he was receiving on this from fans and certain elements of the press but did not care because Witter had peed him off that much he was willing to take this because the thought of giving Junior a career high payday and a moment in the spotlight was far worse to his mind.

Ultimately for me when a guy has faced the likes of Manny, Kostya and Floyd as well as a number of belt holders at the weight such as Urango, Maussa and Paulie the lack of Witter on the ledger does not hurt him too greatly but there were plenty of times going back to the WBU days when Junior should have and probably could have been accomodated.

by captain carrantuohil Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:19 pm

Very interesting, Jeff, and I'm not remotely surprised, nor do I blame Hatton for his entirely human response. People like Witter (and Froch, until he saw the light) need to understand that a little humility can go a long way in getting the sort of fights that you really want. By all means shout the odds, but if you are not a boxer who generates ticket sales or publicity, the likelihood is that you end up defending your hard-earned WBC belt in a leisure centre in Doncaster, or somewhere similar. And you're certainly not facing anyone who is going to help you change that fact.

Witter was his own worst enemy (apart, perhaps, from Ricky) and has had to reap what he has sown.

by kevchadders Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:37 pm

The best chance Witter had of getting Hatton in the ring was when Hatton had just been beaten by Mayweather and Witter had just won the WBC belt.

At that point there was a huge amount of interest in that fight. All witter had to do was to get past his mandatory in Bradley and i honestly beleive the pressure from the public would have made Hatton take the fight.

But Witter blew it.

by OasisBFC Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:57 am

kevchadders wrote:The best chance Witter had of getting Hatton in the ring was when Hatton had just been beaten by Mayweather and Witter had just won the WBC belt.

At that point there was a huge amount of interest in that fight. All witter had to do was to get past his mandatory in Bradley and i honestly beleive the pressure from the public would have made Hatton take the fight.

But Witter blew it.

witter didnt blow it, he was simply never good enough.

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