Holy sweet God!!!!

Hey lads,

Nearly fainted when I seen this!!!

Now I'm not talking about the fact that the author has Khan at number 10 in the P4P rankings as it could be a decent argument on both sides.

BUT!!!!! scroll down the article and look at who these wackjobs have at number 5 and number 8!!!????

How on Gods earth can they claim these 2 too hold such high rankings at this point!?

Yahoo Sports, hang your idiotic heads in shame!!!

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/30072011/58/khan-s-top-10-stay-short.html

I personally think Bute is a highly overrated fighter. Stopped against Andrade (or at least he should of been) yet still gets the win. Not fought anyone of note to justify being ranked by many as the best SMW.

Ward, again, has not fought high enough quality of oppo to be ranked where his is. Add the fact that he fights in his home town and is constantly allowed to foul and you really have to question how they come up with some a shambolic list.

Bute probably annoys me more than any other fighter in the world today outside of Margarito, how anyone can rate him so high is beyond me, how hard can it be to remain unbeaten when the best your division has to offer are all tied up fighting each other, leaving you to feast on the scraps. Not saying he can't fight but lets wait till he beats someone before we lavish such rankings on him

Bradley? Do you get bumped up the list for talking about fighting now?

I could see an argument for Ward being on the periphery of the top ten, but not fifth. As for Bute...who's he fought?

With you on Bute, Rowley. Criminally overrated, can't wait for Froch to spank Ward sideways out of the ring then hand Bute a one sided pummelling!

Personally I'd have Gamboa ahead of Ward Bradley and Bute. And if Froch and Khan win their respective 'big ones' they'll push Ward and Bradley out of the top 10 p4p entirely. Though presumably PBF will be 'active' again by then so will be back in at 1/2.

Neither should be in the top ten and don't understand how Khan can be rated the number one 140lber in the world now but is behind Bradley in the p4p stakes.

BALTIMORA wrote:I could see an argument for Ward being on the periphery of the top ten, but not fifth. As for Bute...who's he fought?

If Ward gets a top 10 ranking then Froch should get one as well.

Ward is nowhere near top 5, I would personally have Hopkins in number 5.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Neither should be in the top ten and don't understand how Khan can be rated the number one 140lber in the world now but is behind Bradley in the p4p stakes.

Khan has a loss to Prescott at Lightweight.

coxy0001 wrote:With you on Bute, Rowley. Criminally overrated, can't wait for Froch to spank Ward sideways out of the ring then hand Bute a one sided pummelling!

Let's hope so, mate, however I just get the feeling Ward is destined to win this super six, and might just be a little too smart for Froch.

Bradley and Khan are more or less on an equal footing right now, so anywhere between ninth and, say, twelfth for them is understandable, I'd say. Not as high as the number seven spot they've given to Bradley, though.

Ward would be somehwere around the twelve / thirteen mark for me, with Froch a couple of spaces ahead. I'd say that, despite the Kessler defeat, Froch has done more good work than him over the past two or three years, and has usually looked a lot better in doing it.

Bute at eight? The less said about that, the better.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:I could see an argument for Ward being on the periphery of the top ten, but not fifth. As for Bute...who's he fought?

If Ward gets a top 10 ranking then Froch should get one as well.

Ward is nowhere near top 5, I would personally have Hopkins in number 5.

Well, Froch has beaten more ranked opposition (Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham, Johnson compared with Kessler, Abraham...Green?), but he lost to a guy Ward beat. Certainly I can see either argument. Number 5 though? Someone's having a giraffe.

Scottrf wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Neither should be in the top ten and don't understand how Khan can be rated the number one 140lber in the world now but is behind Bradley in the p4p stakes.

Khan has a loss to Prescott at Lightweight.

Which was how many years ago now?

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Neither should be in the top ten and don't understand how Khan can be rated the number one 140lber in the world now but is behind Bradley in the p4p stakes.

Khan has a loss to Prescott at Lightweight.

Which was how many years ago now?

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Ward shouldn't be so high but is there because he's American.

Bute being in any p4p list should be a criminal offence carrying a minimum sentence of 6 weeks in jail.

Fists of Fury wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:With you on Bute, Rowley. Criminally overrated, can't wait for Froch to spank Ward sideways out of the ring then hand Bute a one sided pummelling!

Let's hope so, mate, however I just get the feeling Ward is destined to win this super six, and might just be a little too smart for Froch.

I agree. Although a lot of people are not very favourable towards Ward, i think he will make Froch look a bit silly. More so than Dirrell did.

I don't understand some placements on that list at all...

Bute above Froch is disgusting. I'd have to say Froch is UK's No.1 P4P at present.

Lets compare Bute and Froch for a second and get some clarity:

Froch last 5:

Johnson - MD Win
Abraham - UD Win
Kessler - UD Loss
Dirrell - SD Win
Taylor - KO Win

Not forgetting a convincing win of Jean Pascal, a man Bute wanted no part of and a man who pushed Hopkins like never before in their first fight!

Bute last 5:

Mendy - KO Win
Magee - TKO Win
Brinkley (who??) - KO Win
Miranda - TKO Win
Andrade - KO Win

With the exception of Andrade who can be dangerous and Miranda who is exceptionally crude, I wouldn't say that's a stella line up.

Also, how can they rank Ward so high and Froch not at all when they've fought the same opposition?

School Project wrote:Also, how can they rank Ward so high and Froch not at all when they've fought the same opposition?

Ward beat Kessler, Froch lost to him.

Scottrf wrote:

School Project wrote:Also, how can they rank Ward so high and Froch not at all when they've fought the same opposition?

Ward beat Kessler, Froch lost to him.

Scottrf wrote:

School Project wrote:Also, how can they rank Ward so high and Froch not at all when they've fought the same opposition?

Ward beat Kessler, Froch lost to him.

Froch's loss to Kessler was more credible than Ward's cuts win over him.

This isn't the real P4P rankings, but you would think the author would see sense. He must be giving Ward that respect that he is crying out for.

Aside from beating Kessler what else has Ward actually done?

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:This isn't the real P4P rankings, but you would think the author would see sense.

There is no 'real' P4P ranking, it is all entirely subjective.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Aside from beating Kessler what else has Ward actually done?

Aside from beating the top ranked Super Middle at the time? Bika and Abraham are both solid wins.

Scottrf wrote:

School Project wrote:Also, how can they rank Ward so high and Froch not at all when they've fought the same opposition?

Ward beat Kessler, Froch lost to him.

Granted yeah, but Froch has beaten the bigger and better names than Ward before his loss. I'd also have to assume that the rankings are based on this incredibly made up and humorous attempt at micky-taking - Based on the fact that:

Ward is ranked higher than Hopkins because Hopkins lost to Jermain Taylor twice, and that Abraham beat Taylor by KO, Ward beat Abraham and is therefore greater than Hopkins.

On that premise, Froch beat Pascal, who also fought Hopkins to a Draw and a Loss, because Froch DIDN'T draw with Pascal he is also greater than Hopkins. However Froch's loss to Kessler and Wards win over Kessler mean Froch is the most useless Super-Middleweight of all time, THUS making Hopkins lower than Froch. Froch's win over Taylor is null and void because (although Taylor beat Hopkins), he was EXPOSED BRUTALLY IN THE 12TH by Abraham, who Ward also beat after Froch, thus making Froch's win over Abraham completely void.

BUT because Calzaghe beat Hopkins (who also beat Pascal) AND beat Kessler (Who Froch lost to)... Calzaghe, really, is the winner of Super 6.

I don't feel well

Union Cane wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:This isn't the real P4P rankings, but you would think the author would see sense.

There is no 'real' P4P ranking, it is all entirely subjective.

Damn you Union, why do you do this too us!!!!!

Scottrf wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Aside from beating Kessler what else has Ward actually done?

Aside from beating the top ranked Super Middle at the time? Bika and Abraham are both solid wins.

So one good win and 2 decent wins gives him a place at number 5?

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Damn you Union, why do you do this too us!!!!!

Because I am a narse.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Aside from beating Kessler what else has Ward actually done?

Aside from beating the top ranked Super Middle at the time? Bika and Abraham are both solid wins.

So one good win and 2 decent wins gives him a place at number 5?

In my opinion he's too high up. But I can see why you would have him above Froch, if you valued top level wins over consistency, and considering that Froch has had a couple of fights which could have gone against him.

In reality though...

Despite a loss to Kessler... Johnson, Dirrell, Taylor and Pascal are better opposition to:

Green (KO'd by Johnson).
Bika (who anyone would struggle with I know, but not the fight a P4P no.5 would have struggled with).
Pudwell (No idea who he is).
Miranda (who headbutted Abraham to death but STILL couldn't finish the job).

The reality is, if Ward is THAT high... Froch shouldn't be too far behind.

School Project wrote:In reality though...

Despite a loss to Kessler... Johnson, Dirrell, Taylor and Pascal are better opposition to:

Green (KO'd by Johnson).
Bika (who anyone would struggle with I know, but not the fight a P4P no.5 would have struggled with).
Pudwell (No idea who he is).
Miranda (who headbutted Abraham to death but STILL couldn't finish the job).

The reality is, if Ward is THAT high... Froch shouldn't be too far behind.

That tactic could be applied to anyone as we well know:

Pascal: Lost to a 46 year old, was green/weight drained.
Dirrell: Controversial decision, green fighter.
Kessler: Lost.
Abraham: Never performed at SMW.
Johnson: Loses at the top level.

Thats my point though Scott, in one of my earlier posts, it seems as though they have Ranked Bute and Ward based off this premise.

School Project wrote:Thats my point though Scott, in one of my earlier posts, it seems as though they have Ranked Bute and Ward based off this premise.

I think it's probably based on them being unbeaten.

Scottrf wrote:

School Project wrote:Thats my point though Scott, in one of my earlier posts, it seems as though they have Ranked Bute and Ward based off this premise.

I think it's probably based on them being unbeaten.

Again though, that means very little unless in context. Kell Brook's unbeaten. So is Groves. Etc...

Leaving Froch out of the equation, I really don't see how Ward's career this far can entitle him to be top ten, let alone five. He beat Kessler, and besides that has yet to beat a really credible top SMW. I expect him to beat Froch via a combination of hugging and headbutts, but until then he has one decent win. He made a hard night's work out of Bika, regardless of the one-sided nature of the scorecards.

Scottrf wrote:

School Project wrote:In reality though...

Despite a loss to Kessler... Johnson, Dirrell, Taylor and Pascal are better opposition to:

Green (KO'd by Johnson).
Bika (who anyone would struggle with I know, but not the fight a P4P no.5 would have struggled with).
Pudwell (No idea who he is).
Miranda (who headbutted Abraham to death but STILL couldn't finish the job).

The reality is, if Ward is THAT high... Froch shouldn't be too far behind.

That tactic could be applied to anyone as we well know:

Pascal: Lost to a 46 year old, was green/weight drained.
Dirrell: Controversial decision, green fighter.
Kessler: Lost.
Abraham: Never performed at SMW.
Johnson: Loses at the top level.

You forgot about Taylor.

Taylor: Already lost twice to Pavlik and in freefall since the Hopkins wins
Dirrell: As above
Kessler: As above
Abrham: As above
Johnson: As above

Froch's championship wins have not come against a Super Middleweight world champion. The only one he faced he lost to.

Ward does deserve to be higher than Froch but Froch should be higher than Bute.

Anyone who puts Bute in a p4p top ten list should be imprisoned for at least a month with a big hairy lump who really misses his wife!

i think after ward fights froch the winner will face bute, i think froch will win both as well.