The RWC needs a shock result!

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I've really enjoyed the world cup, it's good to see that there haven't been any totally one sided games as yet and that the underdogs have competed really well so far. But I feel that this tournament really needs an upset. There's been many close calls with Argentina, Romania, Japan, Wales and USA all fighting hard but just falling short.

Do you think we will see any upsets in the next round of matches??

Samoa v Namibia
Tonga v Canada
Scotland v Georgia - Could Georgia push Scotland all the way?
Russia v USA
New Zealand v Japan
Argentina v Romania
South Africa v Fiji - SA were not convincing today, could Fiji beat them?
Australia v Ireland
Wales v Samoa - Will Wales suffer from a hangover over playing so well - but still losing - against SA?
England v Georgia
France v Canada
Italy v Russia

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

PJHolybloke wrote:

biltongbek wrote:I have to say this ongoing wishlist of fans wishing SA to lose to every team they meet is getting a little tiring and monotonous now.

Pick someone else to lose for a change, if it is not our kicking, then it is our game plan, or our aging players, or we were lucky, or the referee, or we are thugs etc. etc.

I get it, we aren't a popular team.

let it go.

It is more likely that Wales will lose to Fiji or Samoa.

I think you've got a bit of a nerve there biltong, that's England's place, find yer own.

To be fair though SA seem to be the only other team Ireland ever try against these days

Tru-dat.

PJHolybloke wrote:

biltongbek wrote:I have to say this ongoing wishlist of fans wishing SA to lose to every team they meet is getting a little tiring and monotonous now.

Pick someone else to lose for a change, if it is not our kicking, then it is our game plan, or our aging players, or we were lucky, or the referee, or we are thugs etc. etc.

I get it, we aren't a popular team.

let it go.

It is more likely that Wales will lose to Fiji or Samoa.

I think you've got a bit of a nerve there biltong, that's England's place, find yer own.

My apologies Sir, but everyone wanting you to lose is the domain of the celtic nations, and ours is them plus the rest of the rugby playing world, so I guess that trumps your measly little tiny issue.

biltongbek wrote:

PJHolybloke wrote:

biltongbek wrote:I have to say this ongoing wishlist of fans wishing SA to lose to every team they meet is getting a little tiring and monotonous now.

Pick someone else to lose for a change, if it is not our kicking, then it is our game plan, or our aging players, or we were lucky, or the referee, or we are thugs etc. etc.

I get it, we aren't a popular team.

let it go.

It is more likely that Wales will lose to Fiji or Samoa.

I think you've got a bit of a nerve there biltong, that's England's place, find yer own.

My apologies Sir, but everyone wanting you to lose is the domain of the celtic nations, and ours is them plus the rest of the rugby playing world, so I guess that trumps your measly little tiny issue.

You havent met many Aussies have you!

And The GreyGhost isnt a Celtic Nation either

True he is a cult all on his own.

biltongbek wrote:

PJHolybloke wrote:

biltongbek wrote:I have to say this ongoing wishlist of fans wishing SA to lose to every team they meet is getting a little tiring and monotonous now.

Pick someone else to lose for a change, if it is not our kicking, then it is our game plan, or our aging players, or we were lucky, or the referee, or we are thugs etc. etc.

I get it, we aren't a popular team.

let it go.

It is more likely that Wales will lose to Fiji or Samoa.

I think you've got a bit of a nerve there biltong, that's England's place, find yer own.

My apologies Sir, but everyone wanting you to lose is the domain of the celtic nations, and ours is them plus the rest of the rugby playing world, so I guess that trumps your measly little tiny issue.

How very dare you sir! It is my birthright as an Englishman to be despised by all (and Celtic sundry), and if you don't step aside and take your rightful place as second most despised nation in rugby, I shall be forced to call you out for satisfaction.

You may of course choose your weapons.

Would England geocaching down to Scotland be seen as an upset?

nottins_jones wrote:Would England geocaching down to Scotland be seen as an upset?

Not on Saturday's performance.

I raise you the celtic nations, an australian cricket team, australian Rugby team, an All Black team, two South africans in your rugby squad (low blow I know) and a couple of south africans in your cricket team ( yet even lower I know), but I will give you Kevin Peterson.

biltongbek wrote:I raise you the celtic nations, an australian cricket team, australian Rugby team, an All Black team, two South africans in your rugby squad (low blow I know) and a couple of south africans in your cricket team ( yet even lower I know), but I will give you Kevin Peterson.

I'll see all of that and raise you England being joint 8th in the number of penalties conceded but top in the number of yellow cards, AND the fact that despite all of South Africa's so called reputation - England are in possession of the only thug at the WC so far.

What say you to that then?!

Fine you win, but only because you have a THUG.

biltongbek wrote:Fine you win, but only because you have a THUG.

Hey, I like to share.

Nobody likes us, everybody hates us think we'll go and eat worms


PS. To be fair Bakkies is injured. X

Yeah, you guys had a distinct Thug advantage this weekend. although we did have a high tackle by JP Pietersen.

biltongbek wrote:Yeah, you guys had a distinct Thug advantage this weekend. although we did have a high tackle by JP Pietersen.

The Hobbit ducked and you know it!

No, you are not going to take that away from us, it was a ligitimate high tackle we even got penalised for it, retract your statement or........

biltongbek wrote:True he is a cult all on his own.

Are keyboards in safrica layed out with the L key next to the N?

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

biltongbek wrote:True he is a cult all on his own.

Are keyboards in safrica layed out with the L key next to the N?

you just made me fall off my chair.

biltongbek wrote:No, you are not going to take that away from us, it was a ligitimate high tackle we even got penalised for it, retract your statement or........

OK, OK, - twas but a petulent display of second division thuggery anyway. You can keep it, barely worth a mention let alone a real honest in-yer-face citing.

biltongbek wrote:I raise you the celtic nations, an australian cricket team, australian Rugby team, an All Black team, two South africans in your rugby squad (low blow I know) and a couple of south africans in your cricket team ( yet even lower I know), but I will give you Kevin Peterson.

We get to keep KP because we at least attempt to spell his name correctly
And a couple? Prior, Pietersen, Strauss, Kieswetter, Dernbach, Trott (and thats just in the last month)....why can't you produce any decent bowlers?
Stevens needs to work on his thuggery to get a starting slot, now hes off the coke hes calmed down too much.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

biltongbek wrote:I raise you the celtic nations, an australian cricket team, australian Rugby team, an All Black team, two South africans in your rugby squad (low blow I know) and a couple of south africans in your cricket team ( yet even lower I know), but I will give you Kevin Peterson.

We get to keep KP because we at least attempt to spell his name correctly
And a couple? Prior, Pietersen, Strauss, Kieswetter, Dernbach, Trott (and thats just in the last month)....why can't you produce any decent bowlers?
Stevens needs to work on his thuggery to get a starting slot, now hes off the coke hes calmed down too much.

hell if we provide you with some bowlers, you might as well not have county cricket anymore.

The only shock so far has been the shocking rugby.

NZ kicked off with a solid if not spectacular first 40 minutes, then found their set piece bullied by Tonga and a sudden inability to find the try line no matter how much it begged to be crossed.

France fluffed their lines against Japan. England were almost more awful than Argentina in what will go down as two of the most incomplete performances in RWC history. South Africa trumped NZ by playing for just 5 minutes in each half to taunt the Village Idiots. Scotland demoted themselves to tier-B status for 70 minutes. Australia revisiting their Samoa performance against Italy and Ireland put pay to the myth that they were bluffing.

Seriously, it's been awful. The "big 8" mis-firing and the second tier failing to have the composure to force an upset.

It seems ITV have cancelled all but the first highlights package on the basis that there haven't been any.

Let's hope it gets better, or we might have to abandon the whole thing on the basis that nobody deserves to win.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

biltongbek wrote:I raise you the celtic nations, an australian cricket team, australian Rugby team, an All Black team, two South africans in your rugby squad (low blow I know) and a couple of south africans in your cricket team ( yet even lower I know), but I will give you Kevin Peterson.

We get to keep KP because we at least attempt to spell his name correctly
And a couple? Prior, Pietersen, Strauss, Kieswetter, Dernbach, Trott (and thats just in the last month)....why can't you produce any decent bowlers?
Stevens needs to work on his thuggery to get a starting slot, now hes off the coke hes calmed down too much.

What the feck is Hartley on then?!

Bookies favourite of Wales vs. France SF.... yes because they want your money!

There are 3 obstacles that will probably prevent this.

a) Samoa... they are on form, they are a real pool threat and by all accounts are playing in a home RWC.... its going to be a massive test for Wales and they will need to be at their best to come out victors.

b) England always beat France in RWC KO matches... forget the 95 meaningless 3rd place playoff when Rowell dropped half his 1st team and the others didn't care to play... in RWC ENG always beat France. Why it happens we don't quite know... its like how Usain Bolt always beats Asafa Powell, Powell often is better, often quicker but he just can't compete when it counts.
FRA have a distinct inferiority complex when it comes to ENG, when the big games come, when pressure mounts the French crumble and we all know ENG laps it up.

c) Wales will have to beat Aus in the QF. Can they do it... well statistically it will be one of the greatest RWC shocks of all time to do so... Aus are 9 points in the IRB rankings ahead of Wales.... these sorts of gaps are in truth massive... its the equivelent of Wales losing to Georgia. Do you give Georgia a chance vs. Wales?

Not trying to upset the Welsh fans here but Gatland has only beaten a 3N once.... in 15 attempts. Scotland have 2 victories in the same period.... yes, Scotland.
I read many saying that in many of those 15 games, Wales were unlucky that in these scenarios you win some you lose some... if thats the case Wales would have won a lot more than 1 out of 15.
With the players Wales have 1 out of 15 is a disgrace. If England had the players Wales possess they would be regularly beating SA & AUS... its a mentality issue..one of the reasons Germany always does so well in FIFA WC... one of the reason's ENG football team do so badly.

In the professional era only once has 1 side broken the traditional ENG, FRA & 3N's hold on RWC SF places... and Argentina only had to beat Scotland in the QF of 07.... come the SF I very much expect the same old rules to apply I'm afraid, if not then great, but for the RWC at this moment in time, its just unrealistic.

Shhhhhhhsh - nobody move.

Someone just got serious.

That greyghost is something you should advocate to the RWC committee, we will then take Bill back home where he belongs until the next RWC.

Thanks for thinking of that.

PJHolybloke wrote:Shhhhhhhsh - nobody move.

Someone just got serious.

I can't believe he had the audacity to get back on topic.


where are the moderators when you need one?

biltongbek wrote:

PJHolybloke wrote:Shhhhhhhsh - nobody move.

Someone just got serious.

I can't believe he had the audacity to get back on topic.


where are the moderators when you need one?

Sending Barnesy down the bakers...

I think fa0019's gone now anyway - all that rugby stuff freaked me out.

It was dead serious and stuff.

WTf was he doing here anyway, we have a respite of 2 more days and then it is back to the real life. Geez.

Sorry guys for upsetting your mud slinging... you may continue.

PS - you know there are websites that you can do the above with more ease... you know the 'adult friend finder' types

Do find it faintly amusing that SA in cricket is captained by a Smith and England&Wales by a Strauss.

But if by some miracle England and Samoa play eachother we'd have two Tuilagis playing against eachother in a World Cup. Would that be a record for brothers?

fa0019 wrote:Sorry guys for upsetting your mud slinging... you may continue.

PS - you know there are websites that you can do the above with more ease... you know the 'adult friend finder' types

Eh? like findasouthafricanireallylike.com?

Honestly? Got a link?

As a Scottish fan i think we'll do much better, this team i think is more solid in defense. Hoping for about a 20 point win though it could be tough, as long as we go into the Pumas game with something to build on.

PJHolybloke wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

PJHolybloke wrote:Shhhhhhhsh - nobody move.

Someone just got serious.

I can't believe he had the audacity to get back on topic.


where are the moderators when you need one?

Sending Barnesy down the bakers...

Costerning ...to talk at length and with great seriousness about a subject others had stopped caring about and moved on from a long time ago.

Cowshot wrote:Do find it faintly amusing that SA in cricket is captained by a Smith and England&Wales by a Strauss.

But if by some miracle England and Samoa play eachother we'd have two Tuilagis playing against eachother in a World Cup. Would that be a record for brothers?

The Bachops played against each other in Samoa vs Japan in RWC 99. Mike and Tana Umaga Samoa vs NZ early 2000s. The So'ialo brothers didn't manage it, ditto the Yachvilis. Not sure about the 2 brothers (can't spell the surname) playing for Fiji and Samoa this time.

Kiwireddevil wrote:

Cowshot wrote:Do find it faintly amusing that SA in cricket is captained by a Smith and England&Wales by a Strauss.

But if by some miracle England and Samoa play eachother we'd have two Tuilagis playing against eachother in a World Cup. Would that be a record for brothers?

The Bachops played against each other in Samoa vs Japan in RWC 99. Mike and Tana Umaga Samoa vs NZ early 2000s. The So'ialo brothers didn't manage it, ditto the Yachvilis. Not sure about the 2 brothers (can't spell the surname) playing for Fiji and Samoa this time.

Thats nothing, Hape was picked several times for England but still played against them

Cowshot wrote:Do find it faintly amusing that SA in cricket is captained by a Smith and England&Wales by a Strauss.

But if by some miracle England and Samoa play eachother we'd have two Tuilagis playing against eachother in a World Cup. Would that be a record for brothers?

Can only think of Matt (Wallabies) and Brent (Wales) Cockbain, where brothers played for different countries.

Brent the later starter by I think the higher profile player. But did they actually faced each other in a match?? I don't know, I guess not else Wiki woudl have mentioned it!

oops posted late and have been corrected now read posts submitted. brothers have played against each other!!

PJHolybloke wrote:

fa0019 wrote:Sorry guys for upsetting your mud slinging... you may continue.

PS - you know there are websites that you can do the above with more ease... you know the 'adult friend finder' types

Eh? like findasouthafricanireallylike.com?

Honestly? Got a link?

-> keyboard

thats the sister site of findaceltwholikesme (which shut down due to lack of entries)

Thanks PSW (and OzT), the Bachops I vaguely recall now they are mentioned.

Brothers playing for different countries is much more frequent than I had realised!