Eliota thingywotsit charged with misconduct

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_7217778,00.html

Serves him right

Genuinely hope he is banned for at least 6months. This is as serious as any act of foul play. He has brought the sport into disrepute and is taking us towards a football-style after match reactionary attitude.

Lets stamp this out now IRB!

Standulstermen wrote:Genuinely hope he is banned for at least 6months. This is as serious as any act of foul play. He has brought the sport into disrepute and is taking us towards a football-style after match reactionary attitude.

Lets stamp this out now IRB!

+1

He's a qualified lawyer, he'll be fine.

Shipman was a qualified Dr

Good point, well made.

EnglishReign wrote:He's a qualified lawyer, he'll be fine.

That's quite worrying, he seems dull as dog shít!
Did he qualify by buying a piece of paper from a car boot sale in Samoa, or did he get a genuine education?

Either way lets hope both he (and Samoa) get a massive fine, and he gets a long suspension, you can't go round accusing referees of being racist.

I've had an extensive look through Eliota's tweets and not once does he call Nigel Owens racist. The only thing he says about it is "Wow! Just watched the game! Man we got some horrible calls." and later "Losing Paul was huge!"

well that's because he removed the worst of them isn't it EnglishReign? or can you access historic ones? Not really sure how twitter works.

EnglishReign wrote:I've had an extensive look through Eliota's tweets and not once does he call Nigel Owens racist. The only thing he says about it is "Wow! Just watched the game! Man we got some horrible calls." and later "Losing Paul was huge!"

They were all there yesterday.

Yes, he deleted some of his worst tweets. The racist one, and the one from earlier in the RWC where he compared Samoa's draw to the Holocaust.

Cymroglan wrote:Shipman was a qualified Dr

I don't drink simply because beer does not make me a nice person I would suggest that this guy follows my lead.

Cymroglan wrote:I don't drink simply because beer does not make me a nice person I would suggest that this guy follows my lead.

Are you seriously telling us you post sober? Blimey.

Rollmeister wrote:Yes, he deleted some of his worst tweets. The racist one, and the one from earlier in the RWC where he compared Samoa's draw to the Holocaust.

And the IRB repsonded by denying their draw happened?

Good, he deserves it. He got a fair warning. He has a responsibility to the ethos of the game as a professional sportsman and he should never have made the remark he's being censured for- especially after an official warning. Not acceptable to accuse a referee of racism without significant evidence, which is of course lacking.

AlynDavies wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:He's a qualified lawyer, he'll be fine.

That's quite worrying, he seems dull as dog shít!
Did he qualify by buying a piece of paper from a car boot sale in Samoa, or did he get a genuine education?

Either way lets hope both he (and Samoa) get a massive fine, and he gets a long suspension, you can't go round accusing referees of being racist.

Presumable if they are actually racist then it's ok.

Ironic that the comment is so heavily racist, isn't it?

Typical that Samoa are again being punished by the IRB, whereas again England members seem to be getting off scott-free despite a serious sexual harrassment misconduct.

Perhaps it just is possible that the kind of overt racism indicated in this post, exists in endemic form within the IRB.

rugbydreamer wrote:well that's because he removed the worst of them isn't it EnglishReign? or can you access historic ones? Not really sure how twitter works.

He did indeed delete them. Cat was out of the bag, I'd say. Alcohol and the internet don't mix. Especially if you're a professional sportsman!

TheGreyGhost wrote:

AlynDavies wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:He's a qualified lawyer, he'll be fine.

That's quite worrying, he seems dull as dog shít!
Did he qualify by buying a piece of paper from a car boot sale in Samoa, or did he get a genuine education?

Either way lets hope both he (and Samoa) get a massive fine, and he gets a long suspension, you can't go round accusing referees of being racist.

Presumable if they are actually racist then it's ok.

Ironic that the comment is so heavily racist, isn't it?

Typical that Samoa are again being punished by the IRB, whereas again England members seem to be getting off scott-free despite a serious sexual harrassment misconduct

Perhaps it just is possible that the kind of overt racism indicated in this post, exists in endemic form within the IRB.

You've got to love it that a Welsh poster makes a comment that greyghost doesn't agree with so he has a pop at England

TheGreyGhost wrote:

AlynDavies wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:He's a qualified lawyer, he'll be fine.

That's quite worrying, he seems dull as dog shít!
Did he qualify by buying a piece of paper from a car boot sale in Samoa, or did he get a genuine education?

Either way lets hope both he (and Samoa) get a massive fine, and he gets a long suspension, you can't go round accusing referees of being racist.

Presumable if they are actually racist then it's ok.

Ironic that the comment is so heavily racist, isn't it?

Typical that Samoa are again being punished by the IRB, whereas again England members seem to be getting off scott-free despite a serious sexual harrassment misconduct.

Perhaps it just is possible that the kind of overt racism indicated in this post, exists in endemic form within the IRB.

England players have been sexually harrassing Nigel Owens?

Notch wrote:I'd say. Alcohol and the internet don't mix.

Yep, it is similar to not driving under the influence, except using your opinion under the influence can be just as costly.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

TheGreyGhost wrote:

AlynDavies wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:He's a qualified lawyer, he'll be fine.

That's quite worrying, he seems dull as dog shít!
Did he qualify by buying a piece of paper from a car boot sale in Samoa, or did he get a genuine education?

Either way lets hope both he (and Samoa) get a massive fine, and he gets a long suspension, you can't go round accusing referees of being racist.

Presumable if they are actually racist then it's ok.

Ironic that the comment is so heavily racist, isn't it?

Typical that Samoa are again being punished by the IRB, whereas again England members seem to be getting off scott-free despite a serious sexual harrassment misconduct.

Perhaps it just is possible that the kind of overt racism indicated in this post, exists in endemic form within the IRB.

England players have been sexually harrassing Nigel Owens?

According to tweets on the beeb he was initially handed a lifetime ban for not turning up to his hearing! They have since reported that Jeff Blackett has said he is suspended from taking part in all rugby until he turns up for a hearing.

I genuinely hope he is banned for a long time. What a tw@t

http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/story/151167.html?addata=chromium

He is staying defiant and seems to genuinely believe what he is saying even now.

Anyone see the SSN interview with him? He seems to be more composed and articulate than you'd think from his Twitter account. Apparently he wasn't given a time or date for the hearing.

Even ex players are backing him, Healy recently Tweets "the banning of Sapolu without a hearing is illegal, the IRB are not a law to themselves #breachofhumanrights"

Found the interview http://www.3news.co.nz/Banned-England-RWC-player-Sapolu-speaks-out/tabid/367/articleID/228251/Default.aspx

Healy is a famed gobshine too though isnt he!

"We always get bad referees, we always get the stereotype that we don't know how to play rugby, the stereotype that we're thugs, we're violent, we're stupid - we always get that," he said.

I agree with him on that. I said it before the tournament, and before the game.

If you look at how Samoa are handled, there's invariably some dodgy calls for "dangerous" tackles, that on replay are just good tackles. Samoa play with tremendous structure and discipline these days and the reality is that the referees look at them similarly to the media, with an eye of suspicion.

Jonathan Davies in the recent EOYT tour made the comment regarding the All Blacks this time (and this is accurate, I stand by it) "Too complex there from Nonu. I suggest to Nonu that he just keeps it nice and simple. Leave that to one of the thinkers in the team like Conrad Smith". It was just horrible to hear on an international broadcast. You have to be careful suggesting the thinking is left to the european descendents, even if that's not what he meant.

Prior to Wales being in this pool all we heard was how "battered" Wales would be by all the "South Sea Islander bit hits".

The fact that the hideous pejorative term "South Sea Islander" is still commonly used by ignorant northern hemispherian commentators is frankly testiment to this outdated and incorrect colonial hang-over. It'd be like hearing American football commentators describing african-american's as negros.

I don't know if he is a qualified lawyer but he is certainly a fully qualified, with first class honours, moaning little sh*t.

He moaned when Gloucester got beat by Sarries in May
He moaned when Wales beat Samoa
He was still moaning when SA beat Samoa

Is there only injustice if his side loses, because it seems like. You can bet your life that if they had beat Wales he would have been lording it. In that game they had by far the better of many calls as they did against SA.

Many teams played with a 4 day turnaround. No one else is crying about it.

No one made Samoa pick their best side against Namibia and then against Wales.

Maybe Mr Lawyer, Samoa just weren't good enough...or is that not a possibility. The only possibility is that Poor little Samoa have been the subject of a conspiracy. Grow up.

What 'big hits' did Nigel Owens ping them for? true enough that Williams strike on Brussouw was overplayed (and brussouw should have faced an inquiry about that) but a strike to the face is technically a red card as the TJ said.

Im not sure how Nigel Owens could be described as Racist which was the accusation Sapolu made. he has brought the game into disrepute. End of story.

TheGreyGhost wrote:"We always get bad referees, we always get the stereotype that we don't know how to play rugby, the stereotype that we're thugs, we're violent, we're stupid - we always get that," he said.

I agree with him on that. I said it before the tournament, and before the game.

If you look at how Samoa are handled, there's invariably some dodgy calls for "dangerous" tackles, that on replay are just good tackles. Samoa play with tremendous structure and discipline these days and the reality is that the referees look at them similarly to the media, with an eye of suspicion.

Jonathan Davies in the recent EOYT tour made the comment regarding the All Blacks this time (and this is accurate, I stand by it) "Too complex there from Nonu. I suggest to Nonu that he just keeps it nice and simple. Leave that to one of the thinkers in the team like Conrad Smith". It was just horrible to hear on an international broadcast. You have to be careful suggesting the thinking is left to the european descendents, even if that's not what he meant.

Prior to Wales being in this pool all we heard was how "battered" Wales would be by all the "South Sea Islander bit hits".

The fact that the hideous pejorative term "South Sea Islander" is still commonly used by ignorant northern hemispherian commentators is frankly testiment to this outdated and incorrect colonial hang-over. It'd be like hearing American football commentators describing african-american's as negros.

To be fair Fiji were putting in some vary dubious 'tackles' against Wales and the ref hardly batted an eye lid.

Do you have so much guilt about your ancestor's treatment of New Zealand's orginal inhabitants that you have to defend everything they do to the hilt GG ?
jikjkmlk

Standulstermen wrote:What 'big hits' did Nigel Owens ping them for? true enough that Williams strike on Brussouw ...

Oh for the FACEPALM emoticon.

TheGreyGhost wrote:

Standulstermen wrote:What 'big hits' did Nigel Owens ping them for? true enough that Williams strike on Brussouw ...

Oh for the FACEPALM emoticon.

MAybe someone could make a gif of Williams facepalming Brussow?

Ok. Whatever about Owens and his decisions, I really hate when a team or individual play the race card when somethig goes against them. It is easy as to say and undermines situations of actual prejudice. Like a false accusation of r ape does more damage to genuine victims.

In saying all of that, not bothering to post an individual's name correctly when posting an article is just breath takingly condescending. You live in a global world when on the net and while this website is in English, at the very least any player/official or team is entitled to their name, ffs. That is borderline racism.

Obviously, comparing the holocaust where amongst other things to happen 6 million Jews were killed to playing 3 matches in 11 days is ever so slightly OTT and insulting to actual victims. And the overt homophobia subsequently displayed by certain irrate Samoan fans is frankly aappaling and incredibly small minded. But it is not like homophobia is the preserve of Samoan culture or that Owens hasn't had to deal with it in Wales, Ireland or wherever.

Horrible to see that behaviour, and as we so often have a smug sense of intellectual superiorty as rugby fans to the round ball game (myself included) this really doesn't help.

Could the Tournament be better organised, yes, add a week to the pool stages so everyone has a gye at some stage and you're sorted from the congestion POV. Peeps would then moan about a team getting to play four on the bounce and then have two to prepare for a QF, but it would remove 3 matches in 11 days, which is brutal for a rugby team.

As for GG defending Samoa and standing against the stereotypes, I can see his point. But then again, many a Samoan, Fijian, Tongan and New Zealand players pride themselves on being big tacklers and enjoying the physical test that is rugby union, so being then labelled as big tacklers and not liking it, is somewhat strange. A bit like rappers complaing when anyone uses a certain words that features heavily in their own music.

Now I hate lazy commentators that label a team for ease of use. Ireland are plucky, France are mercurial and flakey, SA are rough, the Aussies are all attacking flair, Wales are majestic when on form, NZa are the best but choke blah blah blah. Lazy.

Some truth in everything above, but even the most limited club side have a second or third string to their bow.

TheGreyGhost wrote:

Standulstermen wrote:What 'big hits' did Nigel Owens ping them for? true enough that Williams strike on Brussouw ...

Oh for the FACEPALM emoticon.

If you are going to make a quote at least quote the entire passage and not just the part of the sentence that suits your purpose. Your arguments just seem weaker. I realise you are just here to provoke a reaction but at least back up your arguments in that case.

debaters1 wrote:Ok. Whatever about Owens and his decisions, I really hate when a team or individual play the race card when somethig goes against them. It is easy as to say and undermines situations of actual prejudice. .

If they legitimately believe there are elements of racism at play, then they should legitmately be allowed to raise the concern. I tend to believe that the way to go about raising serious allegations is not on twitter however. But suggesting they are not somehow important enough to raise a complaint because they are just little old Samoans, is probably just making their point for them.

TheGreyGhost wrote:

debaters1 wrote:Ok. Whatever about Owens and his decisions, I really hate when a team or individual play the race card when somethig goes against them. It is easy as to say and undermines situations of actual prejudice. .

If they legitimately believe there are elements of racism at play, then they should legitmately be allowed to raise the concern. I tend to believe that the way to go about raising serious allegations is not on twitter however.

Or after you have been wanred once for doing it. Then refuse to apologise or even turn up to explain yourself.

It tends to make people think you are just a grumpy sausage rather than a victim.

Yes, for a lawyer he's made some basic mistakes in terms of making a compelling case and presenting it in a persuasive manner.

Better to take out your personal frustrations in private and then confront systemic issues with a clear head and a calm voice.

We shouldn't however, fall into the trap of disregarding possible truths in his argument just because we don't like the manner in which it was presented. This would make us shallow and vapid and the kind of people likely to fall prey to cheap marketing ploys.

TheGreyGhost wrote:Yes, for a lawyer he's made some basic mistakes in terms of making a compelling case and presenting it in a persuasive manner.

Better to take out your personal frustrations in private and then confront systemic issues with a clear head and a calm voice.

We shouldn't however, fall into the trap of disregarding possible truths in his argument just because we don't like the manner in which it was presented. This would make us shallow and vapid and the kind of people likely to fall prey to cheap marketing ploys.

Can you recomend a mouthguard for me?

Of course he has a very valid point regarding the scheduling. How can tier 2 nations possibly break into the top tier if we keep undermining their chances with short turnarounds. That isnt the issue however

Whoa GG, I'm not at all thinking 'little old Samoans'.

Point of fact, Ireland have suffered incorrect decisons at the hands of one Jonathon Kaplan twice this year. In one instance it cost us a win (or at the very least gifted 7 points to Wales in a low scoring game) Did you hear any Irish player complain of Racism or the system being Anti-Irish. He blew a forward pass that wasn't forward, and the the TMO decided not to see a tackle without the ball after a dozen replays showed it.

I have seen posts complaining of said decisions but putting it down to poor officiating, not racial/culterally motivated bias. No player was on Twitter making such accusations.

PDV complained of a pro-NZ, anti-SA conspiracy last year when NZ blackwashed the Springboks in the 3N.

I don't recall him being hauled in front of an IRB disciplinary committee.

"Blackwashed" RACIST!!!!!! Oh crap, it's catching....

debaters1 wrote:Whoa GG, I'm not at all thinking 'little old Samoans'.

Point of fact, Ireland have suffered incorrect decisons at the hands of one Jonathon Kaplan twice this year. In one instance it cost us a win (or at the very least gifted 7 points to Wales in a low scoring game) Did you hear any Irish player complain of Racism or the system being Anti-Irish. He blew a forward pass that wasn't forward, and the the TMO decided not to see a tackle without the ball after a dozen replays showed it.

I have seen posts complaining of said decisions but putting it down to poor officiating, not racial/culterally motivated bias. No player was on Twitter making such accusations.

The first one of those wasn't Kaplan's fault. You could clearly hear him asking the AR if it was the right ball and he said yes. Nothing else he could do other than accept the irish players' word. the other one happened outside of the in-goal area and couldn't be judged by the TMO. Had no choice. If the incident with the All Blacks and the forward pass hadn't happened earlier I expect it would have been called but the TMO have been reminded of the limits of their roles.

TheGreyGhost wrote:PDV complained of a pro-NZ, anti-SA conspiracy last year when NZ blackwashed the Springboks in the 3N.

I don't recall him being hauled in front of an IRB disciplinary committee.

Positive discrimination in favour of the mentally challenged.

Joking aside its pretty clear they are taking things like this more seriously during teh world cup, hardly suprising. Its a high profile worldwide tournamnet.
Same goes for teh red card itself, the players wer ewnred there would be less toleration of that kind of thing ( one of the reaosn why Tuilagis inclussion was questioned)

I was interested to read yesterday that there was a trial during the Currie Cup with TMO's being allowed to rule on forward passes, knock ons and foul play.

It made me wonder if the confusion in the NZ v SA game wasn't a result of the local man being involved in the CC and forgetting his jurisdiction on the international stage. Believe he was a late replacement and might not have been fully professional and up to speed with the rulings.

Clancy however should have known better. Still disappointed he's involved in the RWC after so many howlers.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

TheGreyGhost wrote:PDV complained of a pro-NZ, anti-SA conspiracy last year when NZ blackwashed the Springboks in the 3N.

I don't recall him being hauled in front of an IRB disciplinary committee.

Positive discrimination in favour of the mentally challenged.

Joking aside its pretty clear they are taking things like this more seriously during teh world cup, hardly suprising. Its a high profile worldwide tournamnet.
Same goes for teh red card itself, the players wer ewnred there would be less toleration of that kind of thing ( one of the reaosn why Tuilagis inclussion was questioned)

Because he's Samoan and likely to be thug?? Oh where is that facepalm.

TheGreyGhost wrote:
Clancy however should have known better. Still disappointed he's involved in the RWC after so many howlers beacuse hes from Europe, but Im not in anyway biased in my opinions and lets not use the r word.

TheGreyGhost wrote:

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

TheGreyGhost wrote:PDV complained of a pro-NZ, anti-SA conspiracy last year when NZ blackwashed the Springboks in the 3N.

I don't recall him being hauled in front of an IRB disciplinary committee.

Positive discrimination in favour of the mentally challenged.

Joking aside its pretty clear they are taking things like this more seriously during teh world cup, hardly suprising. Its a high profile worldwide tournamnet.
Same goes for teh red card itself, the players wer ewnred there would be less toleration of that kind of thing ( one of the reaosn why Tuilagis inclussion was questioned)

Because he's Samoan and likely to be thug?? Oh where is that facepalm.

No because hed just come back from a long ban after punching the hell out of Ashton.
Same goes for Hartley the Samoan Englishman New Zealander

To be fair, punching the hell out of Ashton is something we'd all like to do, so there's no hint of racism there.

FAO TGG

From the New Zealand Herald:

Ybgur Noinu (Dunedin)
03:48 PM Tuesday, 4 Oct 2011
As Peter de Villiers explained, the Springboks were aware of the over robust play of the Samoans and decided to kick possession back at the Samoans after half time, so that the Springboks were no longer targets of the head high tackles. It was a ploy to keep the injury rate down.

Ybgur Noinu, racist.