V2 WCC Round 1 Group 11

Yesterday saw group 10 winner John cena and runner up Sheamus make the next round and today's group sees an interesting match up so please vote for the wrestler you rate the highest and the top two will progress to the next round!

Please try to leave a comment why you voted.


 

I went for Mark Henry as within the mould that he is (big guy) he is doing really well at the moment. I fully expect Samoa Joe to win this, but during my brief time watching TNA he hasn't been given decent story lines etc so I can't feel I can comment.

Samoa Joe by a country mile.
Yes the Hogan regime has poopied all over him but for anyone that questions why he should be the winner I simply ask you to watch either his matches v AJ Styles & Christopher Daniels or his ones v CM Punk and then tell me he shouldn't win this.

Going on the here and the now I've taken Henry. He is the best he has ever been as is carrying the top title (well, one of them) of his company.

Not many third seeds can say that.

Gone for Henry... His rise over the last 6 months has been nothing short of phenomenal, considering he was a laughing stock the 14 years prior to this. Watch TNA in the post Hogan era (& hardly followed it closely) so I don't get the love in for Samoa Joe, didn't like Umaga which I understand was WWE rip off of him.

Samoa Joe, none of the others are anywhere near him.

Went for Batista. Really enjoyed his rise to the main event in 2004 and then his heel run before he left. Henry has been fantastic recently, but it's only a drop in the ocean to his otherwise unmemorable (bar the Mae Young fiasco) career. I haven't seen much of Samoa Joe, although his look puts me off near straight away. The rest, I don't know/care.

Mark Henry - 2011 proving he has been criminally wasted for the past decade.

At the risk of coming across as an Indie mark, I am going to go with 'Mr Wrestling' Kevin Steen, I am choosing to focus on wrestlers over the past couple of years or so which immediatly rules out Joe, who as fabulous as he once was, really hasn't been up to much since he won his TNA title from Kurt Angle in early 2008, Mark Henry as good as he has been recently does have to contend with 14 1/2 years of a career thats ranged from medicore to awful, and what he has achieved so far has IMO paled in comparison to the work of Steen. His tag team with El Generico was entertaing and very over and his turn on Generico that dominated last year in ROH was fantastic, In no small part of this was Steen's unbalanced monster heel charcter which for me was probably better in comparison to Henrys.

I went for steen also, gregory has basically said the same reason as i would

Mark Henry for me. Any time I have watched TNA Samoa Joe has been used sparingly or hasn't shown what he is capable of so don't think I can pick him. So had to plump for Mark Henry who has been excellent recently and has run with a role which has shown that he could have been used much better than he has done.

I just can't see past Samoa Joe, people always make comparisons in Wrestling and for me no-one was closer to 96/97 Austin than Samoa Joe, I love his 'like no-one attitude' and feel that he and Bobby Roode could rip TNA apart with a World Title feud, if the WWE signed him, basically kept him the same with a few minor tweaks he'd sell out arena's, people talk about the 'it' factor, no matter how much crap this guy gets given, he is one guy who has the 'it' factor by the barrel load

I'd take Kevin Steen as number two

the-gaffer wrote:I just can't see past Samoa Joe, people always make comparisons in Wrestling and for me no-one was closer to 06/97 Austin than Samoa Joe, I love his 'like no-one attitude' and feel that he and Bobby Roode could rip TNA apart with a World Title feud, if the WWE signed him, basically kept him the same with a few minor tweaks he'd sell out arena's, people talk about the 'it' factor, no matter how much crap this guy gets given, he is one guy who has the 'it' factor by the barrel load

I'd take Kevin Steen as number two

This

apart from the 06/97 time line 96/97

Brady12 wrote:Gone for Henry... His rise over the last 6 months has been nothing short of phenomenal, considering he was a laughing stock the 14 years prior to this. Watch TNA in the post Hogan era (& hardly followed it closely) so I don't get the love in for Samoa Joe, didn't like Umaga which I understand was WWE rip off of him.

Umaga was nothing like Samoa Joe to be honest, I liked Umaga too right enough but apart from both being of the same race that's where the similarities in their characters end

Umaga was everything that shouldn't be done with someone from Samoa, Joe was everything that should.
Umaga was lazy 'native' stereotyping, reverting back to WWE's usual easy option on foreigners and it's probably for the best that Joe has never come over.

Yeah, Umaga was like the way they used Afa and Sika in the 70s, the Islanders in the 80s and the Headshrinkers in the 90s, even look at the way the portrayed Manu, it was all very lazy

Has to be Joe TNA should never get talent like him again as they only waste it

When was Batista's last wrestling match?

Can he really be described as "active"?

I'd like to see Joe eventually end Crimson's undefeated streak, not for a few monts yet but I'd seriously build him up again as the main man to oppose Roode, I'd not job Crimson out but have Joe lock in his submission finisher only for Crimson to not give up but pass out with the pain, this would put both over.

Joe should be a big deal in TNA, he is supremely talented, supremely over and most importantly, TNA did their best PPV business while he was involved in World Title main events

I wouldn't render him totally blameless with the position he has though, whle he has been given some absolute crap to work with n his time, he has also been very unmotivated and easily sickened for little reason at times to, it's important not to portray him as some kind of paragon of virtue to the business

@ Mort I realise that although the animal is not active he is not retired and I personally felt that the competition would be richer to have past world champions that are on hiatus such as the batista and Y2J. Obvoiusly if they had taken the spot of a more deserving guy then I could understand the criticism, but with 96 spots to fill IMO he deserves to be there.

MtotheC

Didn't mean it as a criticism, was just wondering about the criteria as I also noticed Y2J and Bobby Lashley in previous rounds.

I might have missed the initial postings on this but are Hulk Hogan and Rick Flair also included in the competition?

For me Joe has all the tools both in the ring and on the mic to be one of the biggest names in the industry. He mixes a ground and pound, smash mouth style with a technical submission based style, he cuts good promo's and when given the right people to work with in the right situations he has proven he can compete with best. As mentioned before he has had legit 5* matches and a solid run as world Champion, I would love to see him in wwe or even in tna back as a take no bull, need no friends bad ass.

@ Mort no worries mate, no flair and hogan are not included as IMO they are pretty much retired bar the occasional swan song and I wanted it to be about who we rate the best is today not an overall greatest ever which if you included flair and hogan it would turn into. As I said I know Jericho, lashley and Batista are not active but still IMO should be involved, I guess it's open to opinion on who should and shouldn't be involved but I did ask for opinions before the competition started and a few people did suggest them.

MtotheC - agreed it is a bit of a tough one though I think that you have the balance about right. They all were on full time reasonably recently and all could come back and in most cases have been rumoured to be returning so it is fine.

It's impossible to please all of the people all of the time, I just wish MVP was involved, given, how well he did in WWE until he mocked a Wellness tester and the impact he's had in both Japan and Mexico since, I'd say he'd have easily made last 16 going on the posters we have on here

MVP was an oversight on my part, apologies to all the MVP fans out there!

No need to apologise,like I said, you can't please all of the people all of the time

MtotheC

Not a problem. As I said, I came into this late so missed the early discussions about who was all included. Enjoying it so far and I think in the later rounds there will be a few surprise entries.

In terms of the seedings for the next round. Do those who qualify retain their original seeding or is it based on who tops the group. Take this one for example. Looks like Joe and Batista are going through, but which will be seeded higher for next round?

Stick a folk in this group it's done! Joe is the run away winner and we have another tie for second place between mark Henry and Batista therefore both will join Joe in the next round.

Mort I was going to seed the winners but I might just pick them randomly to make the next stage more interesting, what do you and other think?

Next group up soon

MtotheC

How many will be in each next group? if 6, I'd do three winners, and three runners up in each group. If randomly done it could be more interesting as you could in theory have a group comprising of runners up who received few votes due to the runaway success of the winner.

Not too bothered wither way.

Well the next stage in theory should have had two guys from each first round group making groups of 4 in the next stage however due to vote ties in some groups three have progressed therefore making some groups of 5 in the next.

I think im going to draw it randomly as some people have raised concerns that the first round has been to predictable.

MtotheC - in case anyone complains about it I would be happy to act as a second draw master so that bias etc cannot be raised if someone's favourite ends up in a tough group...

Ok Josh sounds like a plan I will message you at some point to sort out the legistics