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Post by Adam D Fri 28 Oct 2011, 9:48 am

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After the numerous ladies golf articles recently, I found this interesting one. Apparently lady golfers want equal rights but not have to pay as much as the men. Disgrace!! Thoughts?

The Equality Act has given women more rights in golf clubs – but many lady golfers have been left out of pocket and out of sorts.

It was meant to put women on a par with men.

Women golfers have long faced restrictions at their local courses on what times they could play and which bars they could drink in. Often they were blocked from becoming club captain.

So when Harriet Harman introduced the Equality Act to give women more rights in work places and social settings, golf clubs were seen as ripe for reform.
But the drive by Labour’s leading feminist seems to have landed in the bunker. Many women golfers say that, following the changes, which have brought an end to men-only tee-off times at many clubs, they now have to pay more for membership.

Although the legislation was passed by Parliament just before last year’s election and came into force in October, many of its effects are only now being felt, with golf clubs forced to rewrite their own rule books.

As well as allowing ladies to play on whatever day they want, clubs are also having to admit women to “men only” bars and restaurants in clubhouses, and some are abolishing the traditional post of club captain. Others are even planning to scrap “husband and wife” contests, replacing them with “mixed competitions” in which civil partners can also compete.

Kirstie Thirde, from the English Golf Partnership which incorporates governing and professional bodies, said many women were unhappy that they must now have the same unrestricted membership terms as men, meaning that they lost their ladies’ discount.

Mrs Thirde backed the Act but admitted: “Many golf club ladies don’t want equality.

“All they feel the Equality Act does is increase their fees and allow them access to the course at weekends, which they really don’t need.
“I visit an awful lot of clubs talking about the equality issue, and they will say to you 'women don’t want this.’ ”
Many women golfers are over 50 and retired. She said: “They play during the week. They don’t need access to the course at the weekend, so why would somebody pay for something they don’t want?”

Chris Jones, editor of Golf World magazine, said he too had heard women golfers complaining about the Act. “A lot of them are on fixed incomes and can’t justify an extra £40 a month for golf club membership.

“Most women don’t want to play with us men. They don’t want to endure the bravado, the trying to play like Tiger Woods, and the swearing, stamping and snapping of golf clubs that ensues. Ladies’ day is their day when they can get away from us.”
At some clubs, the post of club captain – once the preserve of men only – has been scrapped in favour of separate ladies’ and men’s captains. A 70-year-old honorary secretary at one club, who asked not to be named, regretted the change.
“To be club captain is one of the highest honours. These people that come up with the legislation don’t understand the traditions of this place.”
Some clubs have introduced changes with reluctance. Lenzie Golf Club, near Glasgow, announced that “veteran ladies” would now be expected to pay the same as “veteran gents”.

However, Robert Chalmers, the club captain, added: “I hope members will appreciate the changes are to be made as the result of legislation which we must comply with and not of our own initiation.”

A newsletter from Northwood Golf Club in Middlesex worried that “the new law bans the candidacy of a captain only being available to men. There’ll be a few harrumphs about this at the club bar, I am sure.”
The move was voted through with a big majority, but the club is now grappling with the thornier issue of whether it can still allow husband and wife discounts, or whether the average couple will have to pay an extra £200 in fees.

In Northwood’s newsletter, Steve Derbyshire, the club’s general manager, writes that “husband and wife competitions are discriminatory and need to be 'mixed competitions’ in future, taking into account civil partnerships as well as gender reassignment and sexual orientation issues”.
Alison Root, 43, the editor of Women & Golf magazine and a regular player, admitted: “To be honest, a lot of women don’t want change. They play during the week. They don’t care what happens on Saturdays. If you’re happy with your lot, why change?”
Objections to the Act among female golfers surprised Barry Johnston, compiler of the book The Wit of Golf. “I am sure they don’t want to go back to the bad old days,” he said.

“That’s when you heard stories about the ladies sitting on the veranda who were appalled by swearing from so-called gentlemen on the 18th hole. When the ladies complained, the committee took action – by banning ladies from the veranda.”


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Post by gaelgowfer Mon 31 Oct 2011, 6:06 pm

Indeed Doon. In my experience girls are not interested in playing on a midweek evening either. Schoolwork, other after-school activities together with the length of time it takes to complete 18 holes hardly acts as an incentive to get involved in the game.

Playing an evening midweek competition is the pits quite frankly particularly when trying to service a low h'cap. Scuffed greens, bunkers which have not been raked properly and late dew not to mention the sheer stress of trying to make a tee-time via the rush hour all combine to make it much less the experience than it ought to be.

It's a particular shame because as golf is a non contact sport, it's an ideal activity for girls.

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Post by Doon the Water Mon 31 Oct 2011, 6:29 pm

Not to mention the deadly slow male hackers playing a four ball who refuse to let two WIMIN through.
My daughter [off 2] generally has to play evening medals with a 6 handicapper, they can tell a few tales about the sporting behaviour of the male of the species.

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Post by gaelgowfer Mon 31 Oct 2011, 6:54 pm

She has my sympathy!

Meant to say Doon, great news that Russell Knox has made it onto the pga tour having managed to finish in the top 25 of the Nationwide tour.

If you remember, rather than continuing on the Hooters tour, he decided to chance the Nationwide Monday qualifier.

Some competition for Martin Laird!

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Post by Doon the Water Mon 31 Oct 2011, 7:02 pm

Good news
Finally us Scots seem to have a few decent players on both Tours.
It's been dire for far too long.

I was looking up something and came across the 41 qualifiers for the 1999 European Tour. I had to look down to 35th place before I recognised a name, Stephen Gallacher.

34 broken dreams.

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