Who has had the best run and fights since 2000?

Interested in peoples thoughts as to who has had the hardest run of fights since 2000, considering what sort of form their opponents were in at the time and not just the name.

Obviously the most recent one that springs to mind is Carl Froch having 5-6 title fights back to back over world class oppositon, just would like to see anyone else who could rival that over the past decade or so?

Also on how they performed against them, losing 5 fights in a row is not what I am after but as in Frochs case he faired well in all but perhaps the Ward fight where he was outclassed.

Floyd Mayweather Jnr

Floyd Mayweather Jr...

Or maybe Miguel Cotto.

Carl froch has had the toughest run of fights for me, 7 world class opponents in a row is not equalled by anyone else in the sport since 2000 IMO.

Victor Ortiz has gone through a tough run recently peterson,berto,may,berto

Glen Johnson the road warrior, he has had Bute, Dawson x2 Cloud, Froch, Green (ok Green aint great), but still, he isn't called the road warrior for nothing.

truth is, if you get a fighter who has had 3/4 tough fights out of 6, chances are they are worth a shout

Got to be Pacquiao really.

Between 2004-2008 he faced MAB x 2, Marquez x 2, Morales x 3 as well some other decent contenders.

Frochs opponents are a little infalted. Abraham and Johnson werent actually all that good really. Taylor was slightly shopworn.

I think the likes of Pacquiao, de la Hoya and Hopkins can all boast better sequences

When the title said 'Who has had the best run and fights since 2000?' I naturally assumed that we were going to judge fighters from the year 2000 and not just since 2007 to suit a certain fighters agenda



Floyd fights 2000-2006:

Carlos Manuel Baldomir
Zab Judah
Sharmba Mitchell
Arturo Gatti
Henry Bruseles
DeMarcus Corley
Phillip Ndou
Victoriano Sosa
Jose Luis Castillo
Jose Luis Castillo
Jesus Chavez
Carlos Hernande
Diego Corrales
Emanuel Augustus
Gregorio Vargas

Froch fights 2002-2006:

Brian Magee
Dale Westerman
Ruben Groenewald
Matthew Barney
Henry Porras
Damon Hague
Mark Woolnough
Charles Adamu
Marcus McDonnell
Dzmitri Adamovich
Alan Page
Vage Kocharyan
Michael Monaghan
Varuzhan Davtyan
Valery Odin
Mike Duffield
Paul Bonson
Darren Covill
Ojay Abrahams
Michael Pinnock

Steffan wrote:When the title said 'Who has had the best run and fights since 2000?' I naturally assumed that we were going to judge fighters from the year 2000 and not just since 2007 to suit a certain fighters agenda

Well said Steffan there is nothing worse than posters who have an agenda when it comes to certain fighters is there?

rowley wrote:

Steffan wrote:When the title said 'Who has had the best run and fights since 2000?' I naturally assumed that we were going to judge fighters from the year 2000 and not just since 2007 to suit a certain fighters agenda

Well said Steffan there is nothing worse than posters who have an agenda when it comes to certain fighters is there?

Why dont you just debate the topic that the OP has posted

Just a thought...

I reckon Steffan has a point on this one. No real comparison, even if you extend it out to 2011

Agree with Manos here, Pacquiao and by some distance, I'd say.

Hopkins a very good shout, also.

I was backing you up Steffan, is no pleasing some folk.

I presumed they meant 2000 was the cut off point and it was intended to look at fight streaks within the period 2000-present.

Either way, Froch probably wouldnt make my top 5. Pacquiao, Mayweather, Hopkins, de la Hoya, Morales, MAB, Marquez, Cotto - these guys would have similar or better claims for me.

bhb001 wrote:I reckon Steffan has a point on this one. No real comparison, even if you extend it out to 2011

Glad someone who is actually willing to look at fights before 2007 agrees

Seanusarrilius and two_tone have totally overlooked Floyd wins over Arturo Gatti, Jose Luis Castillo x2, Diego Corrales and Zab Judah

rowley wrote:I was backing you up Steffan, is no pleasing some folk.

Who was you referring to with an agenda then?

Roy Jones Jr
Bernard Hopkins
Mikkel Kessler

This looks like a promising run.

Oh, hang on...

Peter Manfredo Jr
Sakio Bika
Jeff Lacy
Evans Ashira
Mario Veit
Kabary Salem
Mger Mkrtchyan
Byron Mitchell
Tocker Pudwill
Miguel Angel Jimenez
Charles Brewer
Will McIntyre
Mario Veit
Richie Woodhall
Omar Sheika
David Starie

Erm...

Union Cane wrote:Roy Jones Jr
Bernard Hopkins
Mikkel Kessler

This looks like a promising run.

Oh, hang on...

Peter Manfredo Jr
Sakio Bika
Jeff Lacy
Evans Ashira
Mario Veit
Kabary Salem
Mger Mkrtchyan
Byron Mitchell
Tocker Pudwill
Miguel Angel Jimenez
Charles Brewer
Will McIntyre
Mario Veit
Richie Woodhall
Omar Sheika
David Starie

Erm...

But I never said Calzaghe had the best run since 2000 did I?

I never said you did say that did I?

Hopkins, Mayweather and Pacquiao are all good shouts. Think I am swaying towards Hopkins in this one but its hard to judge.

Steffan wrote:

bhb001 wrote:I reckon Steffan has a point on this one. No real comparison, even if you extend it out to 2011

Glad someone who is actually willing to look at fights before 2007 agrees

Seanusarrilius and two_tone have totally overlooked Floyd wins over Arturo Gatti, Jose Luis Castillo x2, Diego Corrales and Zab Judah

I just said the first that came to mind

I didnt JUST put Froch but his run is impressive and current and he is British, so obviously it springs to mind. Now i will add some more to Appease your tiny mind.

Cotto had a tough set

Pac had a tough set until lately

Oscar was a fighting champ.

Jeez.

Calzaghe he had a real.... no wait, sorry, we said toughest run of fights didn't we. (That one was for Steffan)

Seanusarrilius wrote:Calzaghe he had a real.... no wait, sorry, we said toughest run of fights didn't we. (That one was for Steffan)

Yeah good attempt at goading me pal even though I never brought a certain Calzaghe into it...

Has anyone mentioned Morales? He had a hellish run in the naughty's (hate that term)

Seanusarrilius wrote:Now i will add some more to Appease your tiny mind.

7/10 so not bad

Surley you can do better insults though

For me Wonjongkam takes it and by a fair stretch. Lost once in something stupid like 15 years and hasn't exactly been shirking challenges.

Steffan, i normally leave you alone don't I, I will end it here, just don't start with me. I am allowed to put Froch in so stop taking such offence, because it makes you look like a fool and reminds me why people on here slate you all the time.

Mannys record is good but if you look at the 2000-2005 period Floyds is slightly better

Same applies to Hopkins

Cotto is definitely top 3 for me

Steffan wrote:

bhb001 wrote:I reckon Steffan has a point on this one. No real comparison, even if you extend it out to 2011

Glad someone who is actually willing to look at fights before 2007 agrees

Seanusarrilius and two_tone have totally overlooked Floyd wins over Arturo Gatti, Jose Luis Castillo x2, Diego Corrales and Zab Judah

I havent overlooked anyone I said the most recent to compare against, I hadnt picked anyone he was simply offered up as an example. Try and take more care reading and there is no agenda behind this either, I thought with all the repetitive threads we have had recently I might try and spark a different debate.

two_tone wrote:I havent overlooked anyone I said the most recent to compare against, I hadnt picked anyone he was simply offered up as an example. Try and take more care reading and there is no agenda behind this either, I thought with all the repetitive threads we have had recently I might try and spark a different debate.

I wasnt referring to you so much anyway. I was just making that point that if it is going to be from 2000 then we really do need to look all the way back there

It is a good thread though so thanks for posting it

So far my top 3 are Floyd, Cotto and im undecided as of yet for the 3rd one

Mosley's isn't too shabby either actually.

Is the point not to look at sequences that have occured since 2000? As opposed to looking at entire fight lists since that date. I dont think anyone is daft enough to include Frochs fights from before world level as part of his sequence so I think the suggestion was to look at tough fights that happened back to back in streaks rather than entire careers.

At heavyweight John Ruiz has a good record from 2000-2005

Holyfield x3
Hasim Rahman
Andrew Golota
James Toney
Nikolay Valuev

Bit poor 2006- to warrent any decent shout though

two_tone wrote:Mosley's isn't too shabby either actually.

I think Mosley would fit the bill for my top 3 to be honest looking at it

Pacquiao
Mayweather
Margarito
Cotto
Collazo
Vargas
Winky
De La Hoya
Vernon Forrest

Very impressive

Off the top of my head (may have missed out a fight or two),

Hopkins has : de la Hoya, Eastman, Taylor x 2, Tarver, Wright, Calzaghe, Pavlik back to back.

Pacquiao: MAB, JMM, Morales, Velasquez, Morales, Solis, Morales, Larrios, MAB back to back.

de la Hoya: Campas, Vargas, Mosely, Sturm, Hopkins, Mayorga, Mayweather, Forbes, Pacquiao back to back.

Morales: Chavez, MAB, Pacquiao, Raheem, Pacquaio x 2, Diaz

Those four are tough to beat. Mayweather, MAB, JMM, Cotto, Froch honourable mentions.

My only issue with Mosley's run would be the number of losses in there, realise a couple come when he was long in the tooth but DLH aside which was a stellar win certainly first time the rest of the guys he has managed to beat tend to fall into the category of good rather than great

Cotto's is pretty impressive fought just about everyone and only 2 losses 1 highly controversial,Mayweathers stands up against anyone's.

Steffan wrote:At heavyweight John Ruiz has a good record from 2000-2005

Holyfield x3
Hasim Rahman
Andrew Golota
James Toney
Nikolay Valuev

Bit poor 2006- to warrent any decent shout though

Chagaev, Valuev again and Haye.

Oh, I see what you're doing.

Very subtle.

Union Cane wrote:

Steffan wrote:At heavyweight John Ruiz has a good record from 2000-2005

Holyfield x3
Hasim Rahman
Andrew Golota
James Toney
Nikolay Valuev

Bit poor 2006- to warrent any decent shout though

Chagaev, Valuev again and Haye.

Oh, I see what you're doing.

Very subtle.

I was referring to the fact that the quality of opponents dropped a bit like Adnan Serin, Jameel McCline and Otis Tisdale

I also forgot to mention that he fought Roy Jones Jnr during the 00-06 era

Do you actually have an opinion on the OP or are you just coming on this thread to single me out?

Do you have an opinion that doesn't involve surreptitiously slating English fighters?

Union Cane wrote:Do you have an opinion that doesn't involve surreptitiously slating English fighters?

He thinks Beckham is crap.

Steffan wrote:Do you actually have an opinion on the OP or are you just coming on this thread to single me out?

Union Cane wrote:Do you have an opinion that doesn't involve surreptitiously slating English fighters?

Il take that as a no then...

And so will I.

Got to love Union

Union Cane wrote:And so will I.

Iv already posted some of my "non-surreptitiously" views:

Steffan wrote:Mannys record is good but if you look at the 2000-2005 period Floyds is slightly better

Same applies to Hopkins

Steffan wrote:Cotto is definitely top 3 for me

Steffan wrote:So far my top 3 are Floyd, Cotto and im undecided as of yet for the 3rd one

Steffan wrote:I think Mosley would fit the bill for my top 3 to be honest looking at it

Pacquiao
Mayweather
Margarito
Cotto
Collazo
Vargas
Winky
De La Hoya
Vernon Forrest

Very impressive

but clearly you either:

a) Did not read them

b) Read them but could not be bothered to post anything that wasnt meant for my attention...

Is Union getting 'owned' by Steffan...

I think so...

Keep digging chaps.

Floyd Mayweather by a country mile!!!

Victor Ortiz - After Pacquiao dodged Floyd Mayweather again...Mayweather fought the next best guy at 147 and a top 10-15 pound for pounder coming off a career best win against Andre Berto.

Shane Mosley - Fought the welterweight champion and was rated top 5 pound for pound coming off one of his best wins of his career against Margarito...Some people said Mosley never looked as good as he did in the Margarito fight.

Juan Manuel Marquez - Faced the number 2 or 3 in the world after a near 2 year absence...The best mexican of his era.

Ricky Hatton - A prime and undefeated top 10 pound for pounder

Oscar De La Hoya - Fought the legend WBC light middleweight champion...Who was fit and healthy...not weight drained and Mayweather was the underdog.

Carlos Baldomir - Fought the welterweight champion and had not lost in 8 years at the time so was prime and ready.

Zab Judah - Fought the 2nd best welterweight at the time

Sharmba Mitchell - Beat a former world champion, fighting at a new weight for first time.

Arturo Gatti - Beat the WBC light welterweight champion coming into the fight in the best form of his career.

Beat respected world champions in Hernandez, Chavez, Vargas and Corley.

Faced solid contenders like Augustus, Ndou, Sosa and Bruseles.

Beat a great lightweight and top 10 p4p in Castillo...Faced the beast Corrales who was also rated top 10 p4p and considered a major underdog.

Totally agree with you there PBF

Floyd wins it and by a long way as well

Despite over rating the value of Mayweathers opposition beyond recognition he would also have to be my pick, aside from the first Castillo fight has been fighting top class fighters without looking like losing.

Jermain Taylor has been in with a high standard of opponents although not quite back to back and he lost more than he won.

Hopkins x 2
Winky Wright
Cory Spinks
Pavlik x 2 (unbeaten at the time)
Froch (unbeaten at the time)
Abraham (unbeaten at the time)