The All New England v Wales bickering thread, 2012

[HERSH]

Same idea as the last one created by TycroesOsprey, but this time can we please stay on topic and no silly ponies.

"OK, every year we see threads that actually contain really good rugby discussion derailed by the ongoing Wales vs England bickering and WUMMING! I will name no names. I guess we have all been guilty.

Since most of the general bickering comes from the respective fans of Wales and England ; I thought I would create a thread for it in an effort to keep decent rugby discussion relatively WUM free in other threads. "

Let it commence

[Biltong]

Could you not just rename it to something else?

Like the Wales and english friendship thread.















Yeah, yeah, I know, but at least they can try.

[HERSH]

What have the Welsh ever done for British rugby?

[TycroesOsprey]

Spoiler:

[RubyGuby]

What have the Welsh ever done for British rugby?

2 Lions series in 71 and '74 to start

[HERSH]

Hmmm!

does that count?

[munkian]

Yes ?

[Biltong]

I don't think it matters whether you are going to count them, the welsh are counting it. Glass half full and all that eh!

[HERSH]

But it was a long long time ago.

[TycroesOsprey]

What have the Welsh ever done for British rugby?

2 Lions series in 71 and '74 to start

drawn lions series in 55 against the boks I think. Cliff Morgan running rings around the saffers. Was the most successful tour until the seventies

[Guest]

Biltong - you seem to be getting far too used to our optimism. I suggest you counter this by reading some of the regional debating threads where it is nowt but doom and gloom! As a Welsh fan it seems it's impossible for us to be happy about both

[TycroesOsprey]

What have the Welsh ever done for British rugby?

Gareth Edwards.

[HERSH]

Cliff who?

[HERSH]

What have the Welsh ever done for British rugby?

Gareth Edwards.

Is he still around?

[TycroesOsprey]

Cliff who?

really? you have never heard of Cliff Morgan? probably the best outside half wales produced. Im basing that on others opinions as I was not born but both my father and grandfather(mothers side) agreed on it and they didnt agree on anything.

[Biltong]

Biltong - you seem to be getting far too used to our optimism. I suggest you counter this by reading some of the regional debating threads where it is nowt but doom and gloom! As a Welsh fan it seems it's impossible for us to be happy about both

RD, I prefer to just read and not comment too much, I do have the need however to make a witty remark every now and then just to keep my Welsh Fans honest. It is not my style to hurt those already hurting.

[HERSH]

Should I get prawn or cucumber sandwiches made for this weeks game? or maybe both?

Also should I take the Aston or the Range to the game?

My only concern with the Range is that its a little common in the car park these days.

[HERSH]

Cliff who?

really? you have never heard of Cliff Morgan? probably the best outside half wales produced. Im basing that on others opinions as I was not born but both my father and grandfather(mothers side) agreed on it and they didnt agree on anything.

Another best outside half!

[RubyGuby]

Should I get prawn or cucumber sandwiches made for this weeks game? or maybe both?

Also should I take the Aston or the Range to the game?

My only concern with the Range is that its a little common in the car park these days.

Take the Sausage rolls and the Ford Focus as usual Hersh

[HERSH]

That wouldn't do for Twickers, its more than just a game.

[Guest]

Biltong - you seem to be getting far too used to our optimism. I suggest you counter this by reading some of the regional debating threads where it is nowt but doom and gloom! As a Welsh fan it seems it's impossible for us to be happy about both

RD, I prefer to just read and not comment too much, I do have the need however to make a witty remark every now and then just to keep my Welsh Fans honest. It is not my style to hurt those already hurting.

[gregortree]

Hersh, you're on fire today buddy

[RubyGuby]

That wouldn't do for Twickers, its more than just a game.

Of course it is - its a Picnic, now go get some pickles and lemonade to go with those sausage rolls for Twickers on Sat.

[HERSH]

My gardener made some nice courgette pickle during the summer, that might be nice with some cheese and Champagne, and before anyone asks I won’t be driving home.

I think I’ll take the Range as that won’t attract much attention when I leave it in the car park overnight.

[HERSH]

By the way the Champagne will be for the ladies I'll be on the Port and maybe the Whisky if it all goes wrong during the game.

[Glas a du]

Better take your priest in case the batman fails perform, what what!

[HERSH]

I hope that the majority of Welsh fans going to the game will be wearing those ghastly figure hugging tight shirts, as last time I won a few quid by guessing how many overweight slobs we could see from our box.

I must remember to take the binouculars this year.

[Glas a du]

How vulgar. For the races only dear boy. For a stadium event it surely must be a pair of opera glasses, what what!

[HERSH]

You're right maybe I'll take my Monocular instead.

Anyway back to the rugger, I think Englands bench will win us the game its far superior to the Welsh one.

As long as we hang in there for 65min, we'll win

[HERSH]

Lets go back to 1999 Wales 32-31 England, Wembley

Should this result be re-written in the history books as a win for England, Shane Howarth's try shouldn't stand seeing as he was an illegal player and shouldn't have been there?

It was a travesty, plus Scott Gibbs try was a result of a forward pass missed by the officials.

[gregortree]

'Champagne' please Hersh. Pass me a cucumber sandwich old boy

[Glas a du]

Anyway back to the rugger, I think Englands bench will win us the game its far superior to the Welsh one.

You're not allowed to hit people with it.

[bedfordwelsh]

[quote="HERSH"]

Anyway back to the rugger, I think Englands bench will win us the game its far superior to the Welsh one.

Not in term of experience with Wales boasting 205 caps compared to Englands 129 on the bench so I guess its down to how they are used.

[BridgendBoyo]

Lets go back to 1999 Wales 32-31 England, Wembley

Should this result be re-written in the history books as a win for England, Shane Howarth's try shouldn't stand seeing as he was an illegal player and shouldn't have been there?

It was a travesty, plus Scott Gibbs try was a result of a forward pass missed by the officials.

Absolute nonsense, t'was the flattest pass there has ever been

[Luckless Pedestrian]

I predict Wales to score an early try after Charlie Hodgson charges down Owen Farell's clearance kick.

[Glas a du]

[HERSH]

Not in term of experience with Wales boasting 205 caps compared to Englands 129 on the bench so I guess its down to how they are used.

Wales give out caps to retiring players just so they can do a forward roll infront of a full house, the Welsh cap has lost its value hence why Ben Morgan wanted to earn his.

[RubyGuby]

Jeremy Guscotts view - He's english I think

From what we have seen so far in the Six Nations, Wales are deserved favourites to beat England but that doesn't mean they will definitely win. I honestly don't believe Wales will be complacent because they have not won anything yet and have everything to lose.

There hasn't been a lot that I've seen from their performances that makes me confident that England can pull off an upset, if the game remains close, that could play on their minds.

Wales have a settled team playing in a style they all seem comfortable with and England are finding their way. England have to frustrate the Welsh and put them under pressure in all areas of the game.

Wales' one weakness appears to be the line-out but they have won both games so far despite that. Ideally, I would like England to have the same ambition as Scotland showed playing Wales but with better execution - if they do that they stand a chance of winning.

[majesticimperialman]

Not in term of experience with Wales boasting 205 caps compared to Englands 129 on the bench so I guess its down to how they are used.

Wales give out caps to retiring players just so they can do a forward roll infront of a full house, the Welsh cap has lost its value hence why Ben Morgan wanted to earn his.

Nice one Hersh, Nice one.

[HERSH]

Thankyou Majestic.

But it is true isn't it,

The big problem for Wales is that they have two world class props but both are the wrong side of 30 and have had their fair share of injuries, I don't think they can make the next RWC, without these two Wales are dead in the water.

[Ospreydragon]

"without these two Wales are dead in the water" -- I think you'll find (barring career-ending injuries) that other very good props will also be available for selection by the next WC.

[tatterd]

whereas lily cole and corbiwhatsit will be terrifying front rows for year's to come.............NOT!

[slartibartfast]

I hope that the majority of Welsh fans going to the game will be wearing those ghastly figure hugging tight shirts, as last time I won a few quid by guessing how many overweight slobs we could see from our box.

I must remember to take the binouculars this year.

I'll be wearing my daffodil hat with a giant leek in one hand and a warm expensive pint in the other - a proper mans day out. I'll then be hitting Llyndion to seek out the "prawn sandwich brigade" girl friends.

Yip yip yippee!!!

See you there Hershster

[Guest]

Is it true you can still shoot a Welshman if he's within an English city limits after nightfall as long as it's with a bow and arrow?

Or is that just Chester?

[CurlyOsp]

Not in term of experience with Wales boasting 205 caps compared to Englands 129 on the bench so I guess its down to how they are used.

Wales give out caps to retiring players just so they can do a forward roll infront of a full house, the Welsh cap has lost its value hence why Ben Morgan wanted to earn his.

Or maybe his Dad's in the coaching set up... That's how English players get picked now isn't it?

[Cowshot]

Is it true you can still shoot a Welshman if he's within an English city limits after nightfall as long as it's with a bow and arrow?

Or is that just Chester?

Just Chester, I think. A jealously guarded privelege.

Doesn't Carlisle have similar rights in relation to Scots?

slartibartfast: Head down Richmond High Street after the game. It goes Rugby after Internationals at Twickers and there's a good mixed crowd. Have a great day - I'm sure you will.

[slartibartfast]

Is it true you can still shoot a Welshman if he's within an English city limits after nightfall as long as it's with a bow and arrow?

Or is that just Chester?

Just Chester, I think. A jealously guarded privelege.

Doesn't Carlisle have similar rights in relation to Scots?

slartibartfast: Head down Richmond High Street after the game. It goes Rugby after Internationals at Twickers and there's a good mixed crowd. Have a great day - I'm sure you will.

Cowshot,

Will definatley hitting Richmond after the game - went there last year after warm up match. Good times.

Win or Lose I'll hold my head up high and count the planes going overhead.

Cheers

[HERSH]

Not in term of experience with Wales boasting 205 caps compared to Englands 129 on the bench so I guess its down to how they are used.

Wales give out caps to retiring players just so they can do a forward roll infront of a full house, the Welsh cap has lost its value hence why Ben Morgan wanted to earn his.

Or maybe his Dad's in the coaching set up... That's how English players get picked now isn't it?

Farrell earned his call up though consistent performances for his club, plus he has a league winners medal already at such a young age, I think some fans are worried that we might have found another Wilko!

[slartibartfast]

Is it true you can still shoot a Welshman if he's within an English city limits after nightfall as long as it's with a bow and arrow?

Or is that just Chester?

Hope it's Heartily with the bow - he'll never hit me

[CurlyOsp]

You're right HERSH! Last time a claim like that was thrown about it was for the ever so successful Danny Cipriani!

And the league medal suggests that he's at least as good as Dan Biggar!

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