England coach selection panel

Well looks like the RFU is one of the bbiggest employers on the planet again.

They have announved a 5 man pnale to discuss bwteen the two applicants for the long term England coaching role, despit ethe internet and media already having made the decision for them

Stuart Lancasters appointment is to be rubber stamped by :

Connor OShea ( representing PRL, will he want Robshaw back and not capation and vote against Lancaster? Or will he be happy that Lancaster is letting him keep Easter and Care?)
Rob "look Johnson wasnt my choice in the first place" Andrew
Kevin Bowring representing the "RFU staff noones heard of" department
Geech ... just because its him or something
And some bloke who took his first jonb in rugby on Monday and has presided over the abysmal state of British tennis for the last few years.


The dream team?

Kevin Bowring representing the "RFU staff noones heard of" department

You must have heard of the Silver Fox? The man who gave Aled Thomas his caps in the mid 90's? The man who made sure we have Dr Gwyn Jones as a pundit because he made him captain fo the Wales team?

So you've got a welshman an Irishman and a Scotsman on the selection panel - I have a feeling Johnny English will be the next England coach

Stuart Lancaster to get England interview before Six Nations ends
Interim England coach Stuart Lancaster will be interviewed to become Martin Johnson's permanent successor before the end of the Six Nations.

Rugby Football Union chief Ian Ritchie wants to formally meet with Lancaster and appoint a new coach by 17 March.

"It is helpful to be able to do that so we can move the process on," he said.

Sir Ian McGeechan, Conor O'Shea and Richard Hill will join Ritchie and Rob Andrew on a five-man panel which will advise the RFU board.

Lancaster is the only candidate to confirm he has applied for the role, although Nick Mallett, Eddie O'Sullivan and John Kirwan have all been linked to the job.

"We have tried to do it at a time that is most convenient to Stuart," Ritchie continued.

ENGLAND COACHES
•Martin Johnson (Jul 08-Nov 11) Tests: 38, Win %: 55.26.
•Rob Andrew (Jun 08) Tests: 2, Win %: 0.
•Brian Ashton (Dec 06-Jun 08) Tests: 22, Win %: 54.5.
•Andy Robinson (Oct 04-Nov 06) Tests: 22, Win %: 40.9.
•Clive Woodward (Nov 97-Sep 04) Tests: 83, Win %: 71.1.
"I appreciate it puts more pressure on Stuart because he has the day job to be getting on with.

"Timetable-wise I would hope, believe, we should be in a situation to do it [make an appointment] towards the end of the Six Nations."

Ritchie has targeted having the new man in place before England's June tour of South Africa.

He added he would be prepared to wait until as late as October if that was necessary to secure the right man.

Caretaker coach Lancaster replaced Martin Johnson after he resigned the post last November.

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“What Stuart has undoubtedly done is, by the strength of what he's achieved, put himself on the list
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Ian Ritchie

RFU chief executive
The former England Saxons coach has appointed Harlequins' Chris Robshaw as captain and introduced a raft of new faces to the squad.

He has overseen all three of England's Six Nations game, registering wins against Scotland and Italy, plus last Saturday's 19-12 defeat by Wales.

England play France on 11 March and finish their Six Nations title defence against Ireland on 17 March.

"I think Stuart has done a fantastic job," Ritchie said.

"He was in a very difficult position but has done a lot of the things that we would all agree are the right things to have been done. If you talk to him, he's an impressive person.

"What Stuart has undoubtedly done is, by the strength of what he's achieved, put himself on the list. But how does he compare with other people on the list? Selection is all about comparisons."

I think that this is Great News not only for Stuart Lancaster. But also for England.

What is your opinion on this Great News.

They should have given him their backing for the 6 Nations and summer tour at least.

But we all know that the Unions (well especially the RFU & WRU) and still run by clowns and old farts as Carling called them.

IRB. Ready to interview Stuart Lancaster for the FULL TIME Coach.

IRB Maj? Do the RFU have some expansion plans?

i think he should stay on as full time- i think he is decent

Kiwireddevil wrote:

IRB. Ready to interview Stuart Lancaster for the FULL TIME Coach.

IRB Maj? Do the RFU have some expansion plans?

Oooppssss my mistake. Sorry.

https://www.606v2.com/t24825-england-coach-selection-panel

merge?

That interview makes it sound like theyve made their minds up to stick with Lancaster already.
Which strikes as a bit worrying when you consider hes a halfway house between Ashton and Johnson.

Lancaster has done quite well, but I think England need someone with more of a backs centred understanding of the game. Combining that with the physicality and toughness we associate with the NZ game, I feel John Kirwan makes the best candidate.

I am liking what Lancaster has done.

Laid downa marker about behaviour standards by roppping Care

Introduced a few new players who should have had more caps and dropped the old donkeys

Built gradually from a low base.

so far so good - if the players like him I would stick with him.

Lancaster has been a mixed bag for me so far. He's certainly shown himself to be a good coach, he works well with the guys on the training pitch, improving their attitude and so on. However as a manager I think he's been poor, England's tactics and strategy have been lacking, the substitutions that he's made have been badly thought out, and he seems to be sticking with a few players, like Youngs and Ashton based on their reputations despite big drops in form. I can't see he's done anything particularly special as a selector. Dropping the likes of Cueto and Tindall were no-brainers - any other coach would have made many of the same decisions.

The problem is that those managerial skills are exactly what England have been missing since 2003, and I think that what they desperately need now is someone who has those skills. Lancaster would be a great addition to the England set-up, but I don't think he's ready for the top job yet.

Read this morning SL is to be interviewed about the job before the end of 6 Nations. RFU have gone as far as suggesting an appointment could be made by the 17th March.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/17222251

It seems a bit premature to me and I'm not sure quite whether there is some agenda, maybe trying to force the hand of other potential applicants?

Interesting times and another potentially embarrassing chapter in RFU management history?

What price do we get for Mallett getting the job with Lancaster as his assisstant - Its a long shot but after the millions spent on the corporate search this is probably the way they will go.

https://www.606v2.com/t24825-england-coach-selection-panel

Do keep up.


The applications closed some time ago. They initialy said they wouldnt make a decision untill after the 6 nations, but it looks like the timetables been moved forwards.
It strikes as abit premature to decide before the last games been played, although perhaps rightly this signals they are more interested in what Lancaster will bring in the long term rather than the short term.
Its also possibel to read it as a sign that they have already made their minds up, with the help of the media and fan tidal wave in favour of him.

Could be a lot of egg on faces when Lancaster recalls Tindall, Shaw, Worsley, a three legged donkey, and that guy with the African name noone can spell let alone pronounce for the Ireland game.

I saw Ritchie interviewed this morning and from the way he was extolling the virtues of Lancaster, I think the decision has already been made. I think it's probably the correct decision but the sheer fact that it's the decision the RFU has taken amkes me doubt its credibility entirely

Clealry where Johnson went wrong was beating Wales the last two years. He really shouldve known better.

Do you think that the Welsh could have infiltrated the RFU? It would explain alot.

RubyGuby wrote:What price do we get for Mallett getting the job with Lancaster as his assisstant - Its a long shot but after the millions spent on the corporate search this is probably the way they will go.

That would be my thinking as well Ruby. Having someone in there like Mallet to take charge and guide would be great. He could also perhaps add some extra talent to the coaching team. Perhaps a defence/ and or attack coach with some pedigree would be nice. I think Lancaster and crew have done well so far, but in the long term it strikes me that a little more technical ability as well as spirit is required. Particularly in light of a tough summer tour to SA.

A World Cup and 3 Finals wrote:Do you think that the Welsh could have infiltrated the RFU? It would explain alot.

What are you trying to say about Martyn Thomas?

Chjw131 wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:What price do we get for Mallett getting the job with Lancaster as his assisstant - Its a long shot but after the millions spent on the corporate search this is probably the way they will go.

That would be my thinking as well Ruby. Having someone in there like Mallet to take charge and guide would be great. He could also perhaps add some extra talent to the coaching team. Perhaps a defence/ and or attack coach with some pedigree would be nice. I think Lancaster and crew have done well so far, but in the long term it strikes me that a little more technical ability as well as spirit is required. Particularly in light of a tough summer tour to SA.

Thats what id advocate too. Lancaster running the team and coaching, someone like Mallet in the old Rob Andrew role tasked with making England rugby players think they are New Zealanders even if they actually arent. However it appears the the RFU will vote for jobs for the boys instead, and Lancaster will report to the guy whos made British tennis what it is today.

"the guy whos made British tennis what it is today"

That really should be Ritchie's strap line. Perhaps we should put a group email together advising the RFU to print it on his business cards?

At which point Andy Murray would pipe up reminding everyone hes Scottish not British and he left the UK specificaly because he thought it would hamper his chances of success to stay here.

Ah good old English rugby it has been such a joy to have something to moan about these past eight years! Will the farce ever come to an end we wonder? Perhaps it might with the following coaching team:

Nick Mallet (Manager) Stuart Lancaster (Head Coach) Wayne Smith (Attack) Dave Ellis (Defence - i'm lacking in inspiration for this department, and no I don't want Shaun Edwards' blitz) Dorian West (Forwards Coach) Graham Rowntree (Scrum Coach)

What say you?

Chjw131 wrote: Nick Mallet (Manager) Stuart Lancaster (Head Coach) Wayne Smith (Attack) Dave Ellis (Defence - i'm lacking in inspiration for this department, and no I don't want Shaun Edwards' blitz) Dorian West (Forwards Coach) Graham Rowntree (Scrum Coach)

What say you?

Yes please!

More likely

Nick Mallet (Head Manager and Communication Officer)
Stuart Lancaster (Assistant Head Manager and Chief Coach)
John Kirawn (Assitant Chief Coach and 2nd Assistant Head Manager, Performance Manager and Assistant Communication Officer)
Martin Johnson (Assistant Staff Performance Liason Officer)
Wayne Smith (2nd Assistant Chief Coach, Media Consulant Overview Official and Back Line Consulant)
Graham Rownstree (1st Assistant Coach, Set Piece Executive Commissioning Officer and Media Outlet Liason Official)
Dave Ellis (Chief Operating Commissioner and Executive Prevention of On-Field Opposition Insurgency Director)
Dorain West (2nd Assistant Coach Liason Offical, Executive Tight Unit Offensive Specialist)
Jonny Wilkinson (3rd Assistant Coach and Director for Performance of Projectile Explusion Accuracy, Dept. Assistant Media Consultation Coordinator)
Sir Clive Woodward (unemployed prat still inclined to chime in with opinions taken seriously by the media)

Can I have the contract to do their business cards? Obviously I'm charging on a per letter basis

miteyironpaw wrote:More likely

Nick Mallet (Head Manager and Communication Officer)
Stuart Lancaster (Assistant Head Manager and Chief Coach)
John Kirawn (Assitant Chief Coach and 2nd Assistant Head Manager, Performance Manager and Assistant Communication Officer)
Martin Johnson (Assistant Staff Performance Liason Officer)
Wayne Smith (2nd Assistant Chief Coach, Media Consulant Overview Official and Back Line Consulant)
Graham Rownstree (1st Assistant Coach, Set Piece Executive Commissioning Officer and Media Outlet Liason Official)
Dave Ellis (Chief Operating Commissioner and Executive Prevention of On-Field Opposition Insurgency Director)
Dorain West (2nd Assistant Coach Liason Offical, Executive Tight Unit Offensive Specialist)
Jonny Wilkinson (3rd Assistant Coach and Director for Performance of Projectile Explusion Accuracy, Dept. Assistant Media Consultation Coordinator)
Sir Clive Woodward (unemployed prat still inclined to chime in with opinions taken seriously by the media)

James Haskell (Assistant Global Brand manager, SANZAR region)
Phil Vickery (Head Chef)
Manusamoa Tuillagi (3rd Assistant Cheif Coach, Cross training speacialist : Boxing and Diving, and Eligiability Liasson to the Home Office)
Mike Tindall (Team Morale Officer)