Khan - Does a Petersen defeat count anymore????

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Has Khan got his reputation back without having to avenge his loss????....Even though he lost his p4p spot ..should he get it back???

Has his future legacy been affected or do we put his defeat down to cheating???

Or does petersen's defeat still count as Khan being exposed and his star being diminished and p4p status out of the window???

What does the Petersen saga do for Khan???

Do we just forget it happened and it's as you were????

Does a Petersen defeat count anymore??? I'm not sure it does!!!!!!!!!

Mr Bounce wrote:I don't like Khan very much, but I dislike drug cheats more. It should be changed to a NC and the belts either handed back or made vacant.

I believe the boxing world will uncover a lot more of this sort of behaviour going on if random drug tests were brought in like athletics. Gaining a training & stamina advantage through PEDs is unfair and should not be tolerated. Strip the man!

It appears that some prefer drug cheats to prosper at the expense of Khan. Such blind hatred is sad especially given that boxing is an extremely dangerous sport.

The belts must be returned to Khan if there is no mitigating circumstances in Peterson's defence. Ignorance is certainly not one of them. He has admitted he knew it was testosterone before he took it so good luck getting out of that one kid.

Khan's reputation is another issue altogether. It's difficult to erase the memories of him struggling and looking lost against the pressure that Peterson was apllying(albeit drug enhanced).

In my view he is getting the gift of a huge reality check with the added bonus of probably having a defeat erased and his title back.. The question is will he embrace this reality check or will he continue to believe his own hype to the point where he dismisses of all the shortcomings highlighted in this fight.

Not sure whether there is sufficient protocal for returning the belts though??????

Isn't it standard for them to be made vacant!!!!

Exactly as I stated Truss - give 'em back if the bodies deem it necessary otherwise make them vacant.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not sure whether there is sufficient protocal for returning the belts though??????

Isn't it standard for them to be made vacant!!!!

I wouldn't know to be honest, but if indeed that is the case, long term it wouldn't do Khan any harm to have to swallow this bitter pill provided it pushes him to improve and acknowldge his shortcomings. The defeat surely must be erased though??

The General wrote:The belts must be returned to Khan if there is no mitigating circumstances in Peterson's defence. Ignorance is certainly not one of them. He has admitted he knew it was testosterone before he took it so good luck getting out of that one kid.

Khan's reputation is another issue altogether. It's difficult to erase the memories of him struggling and looking lost against the pressure that Peterson was apllying(albeit drug enhanced).

In my view he is getting the gift of a huge reality check with the added bonus of probably having a defeat erased and his title back.. The question is will he embrace this reality check or will he continue to believe his own hype to the point where he dismisses of all the shortcomings highlighted in this fight.

Khan is many things, but more importantly he is a damn hard worker and trains like a spartan. As for his shortcomings, he'll have to be working on them. He mentioned as such after the fight. I dont think he dismisses his shortcomings. He just doesn't admit to them in public and why should he? It would give his opponents an advantage for Khan to admit he finds it hard to fight on the inside.

IMO I dont think he can improve his inside game too much. He's just not good as an inside fighter and probably never will be. He has to improve his jab to keep opponents from bulling forward.

Not sure you're objective on Khan Mate........You're like an apologist...

It's like reading Azumah's opinion on Floyd....

Believe me he's got a lot to work on inside and outside the ring....

Lacks class in both..

azania wrote:

The General wrote:The belts must be returned to Khan if there is no mitigating circumstances in Peterson's defence. Ignorance is certainly not one of them. He has admitted he knew it was testosterone before he took it so good luck getting out of that one kid.

Khan's reputation is another issue altogether. It's difficult to erase the memories of him struggling and looking lost against the pressure that Peterson was apllying(albeit drug enhanced).

In my view he is getting the gift of a huge reality check with the added bonus of probably having a defeat erased and his title back.. The question is will he embrace this reality check or will he continue to believe his own hype to the point where he dismisses of all the shortcomings highlighted in this fight.

Khan is many things, but more importantly he is a damn hard worker and trains like a spartan. As for his shortcomings, he'll have to be working on them. He mentioned as such after the fight. I dont think he dismisses his shortcomings. He just doesn't admit to them in public and why should he? It would give his opponents an advantage for Khan to admit he finds it hard to fight on the inside.

IMO I dont think he can improve his inside game too much. He's just not good as an inside fighter and probably never will be. He has to improve his jab to keep opponents from bulling forward.

I get that point.. And I did consider most of what you said before posting. I'm just not sure how much of it he will or can take on board. He had similar issues with Maidana interms of trying to repell a bulldozer type opponent. I would have expected a far better showing when faced with a similar issue so soon after that fight. However the improvement didn't happen.. Why? Perhaps he underestimated Lamont, Perhaps Lamont was just superhuman due to the testosterone or perhaps it takes Khan too long to digest information which he is then able to put it into practice under pressure.

I agree he will improve.. but at what rate and what are the barriers to his learning?

Didn't happen because he was stupid enough to try to act macho and gave a sucker an even break...

The kid is thick that's his main problem to work on.....

He has enough natural assets to recover in other departments..

The General wrote:

azania wrote:

The General wrote:The belts must be returned to Khan if there is no mitigating circumstances in Peterson's defence. Ignorance is certainly not one of them. He has admitted he knew it was testosterone before he took it so good luck getting out of that one kid.

Khan's reputation is another issue altogether. It's difficult to erase the memories of him struggling and looking lost against the pressure that Peterson was apllying(albeit drug enhanced).

In my view he is getting the gift of a huge reality check with the added bonus of probably having a defeat erased and his title back.. The question is will he embrace this reality check or will he continue to believe his own hype to the point where he dismisses of all the shortcomings highlighted in this fight.

Khan is many things, but more importantly he is a damn hard worker and trains like a spartan. As for his shortcomings, he'll have to be working on them. He mentioned as such after the fight. I dont think he dismisses his shortcomings. He just doesn't admit to them in public and why should he? It would give his opponents an advantage for Khan to admit he finds it hard to fight on the inside.

IMO I dont think he can improve his inside game too much. He's just not good as an inside fighter and probably never will be. He has to improve his jab to keep opponents from bulling forward.

I get that point.. And I did consider most of what you said before posting. I'm just not sure how much of it he will or can take on board. He had similar issues with Maidana interms of trying to repell a bulldozer type opponent. I would have expected a far better showing when faced with a similar issue so soon after that fight. However the improvement didn't happen.. Why? Perhaps he underestimated Lamont, Perhaps Lamont was just superhuman due to the testosterone or perhaps it takes Khan too long to digest information which he is then able to put it into practice under pressure.

I agree he will improve.. but at what rate and what are the barriers to his learning?

I dont think Khan is a good enough boxer as many try to make out...or has the talent as many here claim he has. He's a good boxer but one fundermental flaw in his game which I dont believe hehas overcome is his inability to throw a jab that would act as a deterrant.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not sure you're objective on Khan Mate........You're like an apologist...

It's like reading Azumah's opinion on Floyd....

Believe me he's got a lot to work on inside and outside the ring....

Lacks class in both..

Truss

You can dish it out, but when someone dishes it back at you you cry like a little girl. I suggest you try not to make it personal.

An apologist? Jacka$$

azania wrote:

The General wrote:

azania wrote:

The General wrote:The belts must be returned to Khan if there is no mitigating circumstances in Peterson's defence. Ignorance is certainly not one of them. He has admitted he knew it was testosterone before he took it so good luck getting out of that one kid.

Khan's reputation is another issue altogether. It's difficult to erase the memories of him struggling and looking lost against the pressure that Peterson was apllying(albeit drug enhanced).

In my view he is getting the gift of a huge reality check with the added bonus of probably having a defeat erased and his title back.. The question is will he embrace this reality check or will he continue to believe his own hype to the point where he dismisses of all the shortcomings highlighted in this fight.

Khan is many things, but more importantly he is a damn hard worker and trains like a spartan. As for his shortcomings, he'll have to be working on them. He mentioned as such after the fight. I dont think he dismisses his shortcomings. He just doesn't admit to them in public and why should he? It would give his opponents an advantage for Khan to admit he finds it hard to fight on the inside.

IMO I dont think he can improve his inside game too much. He's just not good as an inside fighter and probably never will be. He has to improve his jab to keep opponents from bulling forward.

I get that point.. And I did consider most of what you said before posting. I'm just not sure how much of it he will or can take on board. He had similar issues with Maidana interms of trying to repell a bulldozer type opponent. I would have expected a far better showing when faced with a similar issue so soon after that fight. However the improvement didn't happen.. Why? Perhaps he underestimated Lamont, Perhaps Lamont was just superhuman due to the testosterone or perhaps it takes Khan too long to digest information which he is then able to put it into practice under pressure.

I agree he will improve.. but at what rate and what are the barriers to his learning?

I dont think Khan is a good enough boxer as many try to make out...or has the talent as many here claim he has. He's a good boxer but one fundermental flaw in his game which I dont believe hehas overcome is his inability to throw a jab that would act as a deterrant.

The jab would be useful I agree, but it's a deeper problem. Being able to remain calm in the face pressure. Panic in any fighter is a death nail in my view and it is certainly what serperates the great from the good. If he can calm himself, use tools like the jab he may still have a shot at greatness. Personally I don't see it happening.

I don't see it happening either for the reasons you give. He is talented but mentally he is weak(ish).

I think the belts should be given back but I dont know if all sanctioning bodies employ that policy. The WBA returned Ruiz as champion after Toney failed a test. But the IBF made their belt vacant after Salido tested positive after beating Guerrero who was champion.