Cleverly's next opponent

Apparently Cleverly is looking to rematch Bellew for his next title defence, with Dawson tied up it makes sense. He demanded that Frank Warren arrange the matchup, he wrote this on twitter 'Spoke to my promoter this morning .... have asked him to make the Bellew fight .... lets do this!'

Should be another cracker much like the first one was.

Personally I would like Bellew to get more experience before making the jump, but he proved he can handle himself.

I am a fan of Cleverly, but also a fan of Bellew as well, his reaction to Froch winning was amazing!

Thoughts?

Well its better than the alternative, at least Bellew is capable and not a nurse.

He obviously didn't like the look of Krasniqi.

Isn't Sukhotsky still his mandatory?

He's beaten Bellew, why go again?

Union Cane wrote:He's beaten Bellew, why go again?

Man...Clev won. But he didnt beat him

Plus Clev has had hate mails saying stuff like:

"You didn't beat nobody and anybody who knows boxing knows the fight was fixed"

"You call yourself the champ? You're a fake"

Even I sent him one saying "How much did you get to carry that bum for 12 rounds? You are a disgrace to your people"

I guess he wants to put the record straight

Bellew is leaving Warren for Matchroom. So count that Clev rematch OUT.

I didn't realise that WBA champ Shumenov has only had 13 fights, why aren't they busting their balls to get that fight made?

Matchroom are building up a real good stable i thats true. Its ridiculous they can't fight because they have different promoters...

Union Cane wrote:I didn't realise that WBA champ Shumenov has only had 13 fights, why aren't they busting their balls to get that fight made?

Because he could actually beat Cleverly.

Clevs just a ducking piece of crap that couldnt beat anyone decent

May as well lock this thread now Union and prehaps we can move onto something that people wanna debate rather than just the same old nonsense

Steffan wrote:Clevs just a ducking piece of crap that couldnt beat anyone decent

May as well lock this thread now Union and prehaps we can move onto something that people wanna debate rather than just the same old nonsense

Clev could kill your dog and you'd still back him to hell and back. Love how patriotic you Welsh are!

Steffan wrote:Clevs just a ducking piece of crap that couldnt beat anyone decent
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I think you're being a little harsh Steffan but that's not far off the general consensus!

No im actually serious. What was the point in starting this article Union? All thats gonna happen is the usual gang are gonna plough in with 'Clev only fights nurses and binmen'. The more level headed people are gonna come in with 'Clevs ok he just needs to up his opposition' and 20-30 posts later we have gone over all the same ground that we were 6 weeks ago. Waste of time

Also why am I blaming Union for this?

I didn't start it mate.

Here's an idea though, don't look at it again, and after the same old same old has been said it will plummet down the page.

Why re-match him. Clev has already proven to be the better fighter.

Sorry Cane for some reason thought you were the OP

Babysitting my nephew while trying to post on here has clearly taken its toll...

azania wrote:Why re-match him. Clev has already proven to be the better fighter.

Agree but I guess the whole fact they dont like each other sells as a domestic matchup

Steffan wrote:Babysitting my nephew while trying to post on here has clearly taken its toll...

Congratulations on the new job Steffan.

Union Cane wrote:

Steffan wrote:Babysitting my nephew while trying to post on here has clearly taken its toll...

Congratulations on the new job Steffan.

Its voluntary. Plus being an au pair for people who cant be bothered to look after their own children isnt quite what I hope to do when I get my degree

azania wrote:Why re-match him. Clev has already proven to be the better fighter.

A fair few (Not me) thought Bellew won, it was close, and it was a good fight, and it sells.

But would rather see Cleverly fight a World level opponent..

Tbh I would always watch these two scrap but its not going to tell us anything that we dont already know.

How hes getting away with so many voluntary defenses is up for debate but lets face it, the guy is fighting at a level that is embarrassing for a supposed world champion.

Hope Bellew wins to be honest, bored of Cleverly, the Karpency fight was just wrong.

AlexHuckerby wrote:Clev could kill your dog and you'd still back him to hell and back

Insulting my girlfriend now. Very tasteful...

Steffan wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:Clev could kill your dog and you'd still back him to hell and back

Insulting my girlfriend now. Very tasteful...

Classy stuff.

AlexHuckerby wrote:

Steffan wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:Clev could kill your dog and you'd still back him to hell and back

Insulting my girlfriend now. Very tasteful...

Classy stuff.

For the record:

a) I dont own a dog as I dont like pets

b) If Clev tried it on with my girlfriend I would bust him up real bad (but cheer him on next fight )

AlexHuckerby wrote:Hope Bellew wins to be honest, bored of Cleverly, the Karpency fight was just wrong.

But it was good that Nurse Karpency was able to tend to his own injuries after the fight though. Two birds with one stone and all that.

He just laid on the ropes covering up... He might have a bruised arm but that was about it.

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azania wrote:Why re-match him. Clev has already proven to be the better fighter.

A fair few (Not me) thought Bellew won, it was close, and it was a good fight, and it sells.

But would rather see Cleverly fight a World level opponent..[/quote]

Why? Clev's hardly proved himself to be world class. Bellew gassed in the final two rounds otherwise he'd be World Champion today and he'd be the one banging down doors to fight a genuine world class fighter. Bellew has matured a great deal since that fight with Cleverley and if he works on his conditioning, I'd look to him going one better this time around. He outjabbed Cleverley for most of that fight and with improved tactics I can see him winning a decision.

No real dislike for Cleverley, he's a nice lad but he's failed to set the world alight despite having a World Title and arguably one of the savviest promotors around at the minute. One has to think that if Bellew DOES go with Matchroom, Eddie Hearn will secure some big fights as he doesn't appear to be afraid to stick his neck out.

I agree Bellew can win Dave and as I said I'd like him to for all those reasons if this fight went ahead, but if Clev doesn't fight Bellew then I'm willing to give the guy a chance if he does fight a genuine World Level fighter, or at least his damn Mandatory....

AlexHuckerby wrote:I agree Bellew can win Dave and as I said I'd like him to for all those reasons if this fight went ahead, but if Clev doesn't fight Bellew then I'm willing to give the guy a chance if he does fight a genuine World Level fighter, or at least his damn Mandatory....

That's a bloody big "IF" with Warren at the helm. Given the uproar over Haye/Chisora, I think Frank's gonna have justification for stiffing most of his fighters in the coming months citing the BBBC's draconian attitude towards him.

Agree a big IF and if he continues to face bums then he is wide open to more hate

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AlexHuckerby wrote:

azania wrote:Why re-match him. Clev has already proven to be the better fighter.

A fair few (Not me) thought Bellew won, it was close, and it was a good fight, and it sells.

But would rather see Cleverly fight a World level opponent..[/quote]

Why? Clev's hardly proved himself to be world class. Bellew gassed in the final two rounds otherwise he'd be World Champion today and he'd be the one banging down doors to fight a genuine world class fighter. Bellew has matured a great deal since that fight with Cleverley and if he works on his conditioning, I'd look to him going one better this time around. He outjabbed Cleverley for most of that fight and with improved tactics I can see him winning a decision.

Equally I think there's a case to be made that Clev (having seen Bellew getting dropped by a low-rank fighter so easily in his previous fights and otherwise just drop nobodies [despite a stellar amatuer career]) may have underestimated Bellew and will be better second time round.

Looking forward to this fight, if it gets made, then a mandatory defence v Sukhotsky followed by a title fight with Shumenov would be great.

It's the suggestion that he has asked for this fight only because Dawson is otherwise occupied that makes me laugh. Everyone including Clev knows that he doesn't even make the long list of fighters that Dawson wants to fight and it isn't because of ducking. Dawson is just realistic that no one state side would want to see this fight.

Okay, take on Bellew, but I would have preferred him to take on his mandatory or Shumenov for the next fight. At least that would shut up the nay sayers like me!! Plus I do not think either are beyond the lad so why go backwards.

It would have been "We offered Dawson the fight in Cardiff and he turned it down" and the armchair folk (or Steffan) would have been preaching that this was Dawson ducking Clev.

Ah brings back the Joe days

Cleverley vs Dawson would be a good match.

I don't actually mind this match up but WHY now

I personally had it a draw but couldn't see bellew winning enough rounds to nick it whereas clev had a good chance which he did.

Bellew was suppose to be the guy you beat before stepping up to world-level, eg a good defence before getting in against better opposition

He should have rematched him straight away, not wasting time vs karpency where e learnt NOTHING but how to hit a heavy bag.

Bellew outboxed clev last time but doesn't have the stamina to keep up, clev UD although I hear bellew left frank, is it true?

CodeX12 wrote:Cleverley vs Dawson would be a good match.

In what Universe? Cleverley does not deserve the fight yet and has no chance of getting it. Fight his mandatory or Shumenov for another belt and then take it from there.

Someone needs to threaten Dawsons life so the Flip will actually fight to his potential.

Am glad he isnt fighting a matron this time. Will watch this fight

BoxingFan88 wrote:I am a fan of Cleverly, but also a fan of Bellew as well.........

....but which one is better? There's only one way to find out.....FIGHT!!!!!

ShahenshahG wrote:Someone needs to threaten Dawsons life so the Flip will actually fight to his potential.

Know what you mean, he's so frustrating to watch, you just want to see him fight with some venom for just a full round.

I agree with Union and bhb001. There is no point in going back to fight Bellew. Beat him the first time round and it wasn't an easy fight so what have you got to gain by going back? Beat him again (regardless of how entertaining it will be) but it was expected after the first fight. Lose to him and then you're back to Sq1.

It doesn't make sense. Shumenov was the fight to be made but clearly they don't want to put him in with him.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:It would have been "We offered Dawson the fight in Cardiff and he turned it down" and the armchair folk (or Steffan) would have been preaching that this was Dawson ducking Clev.

Ah brings back the Joe days

Joe was supposed to fight Brian Magee as well. But no doubt Joe ducked that one!

Super D Boon wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:It would have been "We offered Dawson the fight in Cardiff and he turned it down" and the armchair folk (or Steffan) would have been preaching that this was Dawson ducking Clev.

Ah brings back the Joe days

Joe was supposed to fight Brian Magee as well. But no doubt Joe ducked that one!

Ofcourse. Joe would have never gone up against a fighter from the mighty Northern Ireland

Steffan wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:It would have been "We offered Dawson the fight in Cardiff and he turned it down" and the armchair folk (or Steffan) would have been preaching that this was Dawson ducking Clev.

Ah brings back the Joe days

Joe was supposed to fight Brian Magee as well. But no doubt Joe ducked that one!

Ofcourse. Joe would have never gone up against a fighter from the mighty Northern Ireland

Don't bring nations into it Steffan. Easy mate, easssy! (takes his hand from his pistol)

Seanusarrilius wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:It would have been "We offered Dawson the fight in Cardiff and he turned it down" and the armchair folk (or Steffan) would have been preaching that this was Dawson ducking Clev.

Ah brings back the Joe days

Joe was supposed to fight Brian Magee as well. But no doubt Joe ducked that one!

Ofcourse. Joe would have never gone up against a fighter from the mighty Northern Ireland

Don't bring nations into it Steffan. Easy mate, easssy! (takes his hand from his pistol)

Oh I would never do that

Your can put it away officer....the gun that is

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AlexHuckerby wrote:

azania wrote:Why re-match him. Clev has already proven to be the better fighter.

A fair few (Not me) thought Bellew won, it was close, and it was a good fight, and it sells.

But would rather see Cleverly fight a World level opponent..[/quote]

Why? Clev's hardly proved himself to be world class. Bellew gassed in the final two rounds otherwise he'd be World Champion today and he'd be the one banging down doors to fight a genuine world class fighter. Bellew has matured a great deal since that fight with Cleverley and if he works on his conditioning, I'd look to him going one better this time around. He outjabbed Cleverley for most of that fight and with improved tactics I can see him winning a decision.

No real dislike for Cleverley, he's a nice lad but he's failed to set the world alight despite having a World Title and arguably one of the savviest promotors around at the minute. One has to think that if Bellew DOES go with Matchroom, Eddie Hearn will secure some big fights as he doesn't appear to be afraid to stick his neck out.

Bellew is not classy or humble. He's a loud mouth oaf. What has he done to warrant a rematch?

Thought you'd love him for those reasons exactly Az?

Bellew reminds me of the school bully. When Clev offered to take him outside though he made a fuss knowing there was security and cameras around etc. That got him the fight. Id be happy for Clev to fight him though just to give him a proper beating this time. Bellew deserves it

Wow I thought this was some good news? It was a close fight and therefore deserves a rematch.

Why bother letting Froch rematch Kessler? He lost first time....

Come on...

TopHat24/7 wrote:Thought you'd love him for those reasons exactly Az?

Its too contrived.