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Post by pete (buachaill on eirne) Mon 30 Jul 2012, 10:25 am

First topic message reminder :

Hey all,

Bored on Monday so thought I'd do a little table thing to see how people think their team is shaping up for the season coming. So copy and paste the yoke below and then I am sure that will create some discussion!!!

TEAM:

Scrum: /10
Lineout: /10
Kicking game: /10
Breakdown: /10
Defence: /10
Attack: /10
Squad Depth: /10
Coaching: /10

Expectations this season:

Players to watch:

New signings:

Other:



Ok so type it in and see if people think your team should be better or worse at certain things and you can do the same to other teams. Obviously be respectful. OK

10 - Absolute perfection
09 - Excellent
08 - Very Good
07- Good
06 - Above Average
05 - Average
04 - Below Average
03 - Bad
02 - Very Bad
01 - Apalling


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Post by Feckless Rogue Tue 31 Jul 2012, 4:00 pm

I thought 6.5 was between good and very good. We know we can stand up to the best scrums most of the time. But it's not the type of destructive scrum that would blow the likes of Clermont or Ospreys off the park. And sometimes we are bested at scrum time against these very best scrummaging teams. I lowered it to 6.5 because we've lost Nathan White as back up to Ross and I think Ross is on a downward slide.

Actually I'd also add in another rating which I think Leinster have in spades and was absolutely crucial to all three of their HC victories.

Mental Strength: 9.5/10

We saw it in the 6-5 win against Quins in 09. The last minute defence against Clermont in '10, the defence for over 30 phases against Saracens in Wembley in '11 as well as the incredible comeback against Saints that year. We also saw it again against Clermont in this years semi with the 2nd half comeback followed by the extraordinary defence of their try line at the end. We know Leinster can blow teams away. But when they're in a hole the have an amazing capacity to grind themselves out of it. This is down to belief and mental strength, and the best teams always have it.
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Post by Bathite Tue 31 Jul 2012, 4:02 pm

bath - mental strength - 1/10!

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Post by Feckless Rogue Tue 31 Jul 2012, 4:04 pm

Oh I just noticed 7 = good and 8 = very good. Woops.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Tue 31 Jul 2012, 4:05 pm

Gibson wrote:
Totally agree, Pete. Said it from the 1st time I saw him play. Jennings could teach him his craft. He is an animal. It would also release SOB to his best position. 6. (Cue Rory G. going mental. :8 ) Although it would be a fight with Mclaughlin. We'll need them all this year.

Don't agree on Cullen. I agree he should be spared. And with the HC Final in Dublin(if we make it), I don't think Joe will take the Captaincy off him just yet. Next season yes.

BOD should also be wound down/protected more this year, to let O Malley or Macken through. Lions or no Lions. Darcy should make way for McFadden. Macken, Conway, O Malley, Carr, Ryan, Toner and Madigan, will get lots of game-time, due to the IRFU player-management downtime anyway. All good.

My Leinster ratings:

Scrum: 8.5/10 – With Healy getting even stronger, VDM a more than able replacement, Strauss & Cronin fighting it out at Hooker, Ross solid as a rock, – we have one of the best in Europe. Need to bring on a strong replacement for Ross this year. Hagan & McGrath? I'm not so sure. And how do your replace the influence of Thorn? Hence the 8.5 instead of a 9.

Lineout: 8/10 – Cullen is slowing up, but still Mr Lineout. Toner is excellent there. Hard to miss or compete with, at 2.11 metres. Mclaughlin is a great foil here too. It's the arrows that have cost us at times. Strauss needs to work on that side more. He is excellent otherwise. Same with Cronin.

Kicking game: 9/10 – Sexton would rather run with it than kick it. But when he does kick it, he's sharp. See the 2nd Test v NZ. And HC Final. Was imperious. Place-kicking was near 90%. Madigan looks as good, but needs more game-time. Kearney aint too shabby either. Huge boot on him.

Breakdown: 10/10 – this is where we really excel. And we have 5 or 6 players who can achieve it consistently in the backrow. Healy and Strauss are animals at it also. As is BOD, as always.

Defence: 10/10 – won us the HC last year. Every bit as much as our attack. See v ASM in the HC SF and the Final itself.

Attack:10/10 – Its like watching yer fav porn movie. Makes me wet.

Squad Depth: 9/10 – 49 players used last year. For most of them, they will have learned a lot and will improve again this season on the back of it. 2nd string won us the PRO12 league proper, by a mile – least we forget. Need to see how Denton, Bent and Roux shape up. If they do - watch out Yurop.

Coaching: 10/10 – Joe Schmidt is the best club coach on the Planet right now. Ask Vern Cotter. Jonno Gibbes, the main reason we have won 3 x HC's

Expectations this Season: HC Final. PRO12 Final.

Players to watch: Ryan, Macken, O Malley, Madigan.



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Gibbo, I have never doubted that O'Brien is possibly better at 6, and that Ryan is possibly better at 7. You could well be right. However, I think O'Brien has been immense at 7, and he is (currently) the best 7 in Ireland. However, I would love to see Schmidt play Ryan at 7 and O'Brien at 6 this season, as you suggest. Maybe then I will eat my words and accept defeat. thumbsup

I think they might even make a fantastic left-right flanking partnership like the french use. Best of both worlds.

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Post by Smirnoffpriest Tue 31 Jul 2012, 4:06 pm

Scarlets mental strength (based on previous seasons) would def be around the 1.5 mark

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Post by stnick88 Wed 01 Aug 2012, 4:33 pm

As an Irish fan, I think Geraghty will start the double header. Smith is a big fan of his.
Reckon until Sa joins (finishing RL playoffs) then Shingler or Ansbro will play at 12.

Starting team for the double header from the available squad I think will be

1 Lahiff
2 Lawson
3 Hala'vatu
4 Skivington
5 Evans
6 Danaher
7 Treviranus
8 Hala'ufia
9 O'Leary
10 Geraghty
11 Tagicakibau
12 Shingler
13 Joseph
14 Yarde
15 Homer

16 Aulika
17 Blaney
18 Griffiths
19 Garvey
20 Gibson
21 Allinson
22 Humphreys
23 Ojo

Paice, Buckland and Sa unavailable.

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Post by SirBurger Wed 01 Aug 2012, 5:05 pm

stnick88 wrote:As an Irish fan, I think Geraghty will start the double header. Smith is a big fan of his.
Reckon until Sa joins (finishing RL playoffs) then Shingler or Ansbro will play at 12.

Starting team for the double header from the available squad I think will be

1 Lahiff
2 Lawson
3 Hala'vatu
4 Skivington
5 Evans
6 Danaher
7 Treviranus
8 Hala'ufia
9 O'Leary
10 Geraghty
11 Tagicakibau
12 Shingler
13 Joseph
14 Yarde
15 Homer

16 Aulika
17 Blaney
18 Griffiths
19 Garvey
20 Gibson
21 Allinson
22 Humphreys
23 Ojo

Paice, Buckland and Sa unavailable.

Not sure that he will start Shingler ahead of iHumph. Think it is more likely to be Humphreys at 10 and Shane at 12. Smith is a big fan of Shane indeed, but he likes him in either position. Personally, I wouldn't have Yarde ahead of Ojo or Skivs ahead of Garvey:

Lahiff
Lawson
Halavatau
Evans
Garvey
Danaher
Gibson (Treviranus won't be able to play any pre-season)
Hala'Ufia

O'Leary
Humphreys
Tagi
Geraghty
JJ
Ansbro
Homer

Subs: Blaney, Aulika, Ion, Skivington, Treviranus, Allinson, Shingler, Ojo

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Post by SirBurger Wed 01 Aug 2012, 5:05 pm

Just realised me and stnick88 are going off-topic - apologies!

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Post by bluestonevedder Wed 01 Aug 2012, 5:13 pm

Would love to see a big season from Lahiff in 2012. He's a beast of a lad. What do you guys think stnick and Sirburger as LI fans?

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Post by SirBurger Wed 01 Aug 2012, 5:18 pm

bluestonevedder wrote:Would love to see a big season from Lahiff in 2012. He's a beast of a lad. What do you guys think stnick and Sirburger as LI fans?

Has the makings of a brilliant player. Already better in the loose than Corbs, he just needs to work on his set piece. Would also like to see him offload a bit more when he goes on his rampaging runs. We are lucky to have both him and Alex. Just a shame neither plays tighthead Doh .

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Post by Portnoy Wed 01 Aug 2012, 6:02 pm

Gibson wrote:

Totally agree, Pete. Said it from the 1st time I saw him play. Jennings could teach him his craft. He is an animal. It would also release SOB to his best position. 6. (Cue Rory G. going mental. :8 ) Although it would be a fight with Mclaughlin. We'll need them all this year.

Don't agree on Cullen. I agree he should be spared. And with the HC Final in Dublin(if we make it), I don't think Joe will take the Captaincy off him just yet. Next season yes.

BOD should also be wound down/protected more this year, to let O Malley or Macken through. Lions or no Lions. Darcy should make way for McFadden. Macken, Conway, O Malley, Carr, Ryan, Toner and Madigan, will get lots of game-time, due to the IRFU player-management downtime anyway. All good.

My Leinster ratings:

Scrum: 8.5/10 – With Healy getting even stronger, VDM a more than able replacement, Strauss & Cronin fighting it out at Hooker, Ross solid as a rock, – we have one of the best in Europe. Need to bring on a strong replacement for Ross this year. Hagan & McGrath? I'm not so sure. And how do your replace the influence of Thorn? Hence the 8.5 instead of a 9.

Lineout: 8/10 – Cullen is slowing up, but still Mr Lineout. Toner is excellent there. Hard to miss or compete with, at 2.11 metres. Mclaughlin is a great foil here too. It's the arrows that have cost us at times. Strauss needs to work on that side more. He is excellent otherwise. Same with Cronin.

Kicking game: 9/10 – Sexton would rather run with it than kick it. But when he does kick it, he's sharp. See the 2nd Test v NZ. And HC Final. Was imperious. Place-kicking was near 90%. Madigan looks as good, but needs more game-time. Kearney aint too shabby either. Huge boot on him.

Breakdown: 10/10 – this is where we really excel. And we have 5 or 6 players who can achieve it consistently in the backrow. Healy and Strauss are animals at it also. As is BOD, as always.

Defence: 10/10 – won us the HC last year. Every bit as much as our attack. See v ASM in the HC SF and the Final itself.

Attack:10/10 – Its like watching yer fav porn movie. Makes me wet.

Squad Depth: 9/10 – 49 players used last year. For most of them, they will have learned a lot and will improve again this season on the back of it. 2nd string won us the PRO12 league proper, by a mile – least we forget. Need to see how Denton, Bent and Roux shape up. If they do - watch out Yurop.

Coaching: 10/10 – Joe Schmidt is the best club coach on the Planet right now. Ask Vern Cotter. Jonno Gibbes, the main reason we have won 3 x HC's

Expectations this Season: HC Final. PRO12 Final.

Players to watch: Ryan, Macken, O Malley, Madigan.



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Post by yappysnap Wed 01 Aug 2012, 6:14 pm

Poopie i am jealous of Leinster

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Post by Geordie Wed 01 Aug 2012, 9:12 pm

Could a good start to the season propell geraghty back into England reconing?

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Post by ChequeredJersey Wed 01 Aug 2012, 9:17 pm

I personally would quite like to see it
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Post by profitius Wed 01 Aug 2012, 9:29 pm

For the record I thinkt he ratings should be judged against the best teams in the world ie. NZ would be 10/10 attack, South Africa/NZ breakdown 10/10, England scrum 10/10, SA lineout etc. In that regard I'd rate Leinsters attack at about an 8 for example.
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Post by ChequeredJersey Wed 01 Aug 2012, 9:39 pm

I think it should be against the best Club teams in the world
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