ERC Round One Citings

http://www.ercrugby.com/eng/news/19297.php

4 players have been cited following the weekends European action. Here is the list in full from the ERC website...

ANDY HAZELL - RED CARD

Gloucester Rugby flanker Andy Hazell (No 7) will appear before a Disciplinary Hearing as a result of a red card issued during the Amlin Challenge Cup Pool 1, Round 1 match against Mont de Marsan at Stade Guy Boniface on Thursday, 11 October 2012.
Hazell was shown a red card in the 55th minute by referee Neil Hennessy (Wales) for striking Mont de Marsan replacement Sebastien Ormaechea (No 23) in contravention of Law 10.4(a).
Roger Morris (Wales) has been appointed as the independent Judicial Officer. Following a request from Gloucester Rugby for a postponement, the hearing will take place on Thursday, 25 October following Round 2 games. Hazell will be ineligible to play until the disciplinary process has been completed.

Gloucester Rugby referred a number of incidents from the match to the Citing Commissioner, John West (Ireland), for consideration. The Citing Commissioner determined that there was no evidence to support any citings from this match.
Law 10.4 (a) Striking another player with the hand, arm, fist or knee
Under the IRB Recommended Sanctions for Offences Committed within the Playing Enclosure:
Law 10.4(a), striking with the hand, arm or fist carries the following penalties: Lower End: 2 weeks; Mid Range: 5 weeks; Top End: 8+ to 52 weeks.
Law 10.4(a), striking with the knee carries the following penalties: Lower End: 3 weeks; Mid Range: 8 weeks; Top End: 12+ to 52 weeks.


TOMMY SEYMOUR - CITING

ERC has received a Citing Complaint against Glasgow Warriors wing, Tommy Seymour (No 14), following the Heineken Cup Pool 4, Round 1 match against Northampton Saints on Sunday, 14 October 2012.
Seymour is alleged to have carried out a dangerous tackle on the Northampton Saints wing, Vas Artemyev (No 11), during the second half of the match at Franklin's Gardens.
The complaint was made by Citing Commissioner, Yves Thieffine (France).
The independent Judicial Officer appointed to hear the complaint is Simon Thomas (Wales), and the hearing will take place on Thursday, 18 October 2012.

Law 10.4 (j) - Lifting a player from the ground and either dropping or driving that player's head and/or upper body into the ground whilst the player's feet are off the ground.
Under the IRB Recommended Sanctions for Offences Committed within the Playing Enclosure, Law 10.4 (j) carries the following penalties: Low End: 4 weeks; Mid Range: 8 weeks; Top End: 12+ to 52 weeks. Note that under the new 'IRB Sanctions for Foul Play' table that was introduced this season, the entry point for sanctions for tip tackles was increased by 33 per cent.


NATHAN HINES - CITING

ERC has received a Citing Complaint against ASM Clermont Auvergne lock Nathan Hines (No.5), following the Heineken Cup Pool 5, Round 1 match against Scarlets at Stade Marcel Michelin on Saturday, 13 October 2012.
Hines is alleged to have stamped on Scarlets wing, Morgan Stoddart (No 11), during the first half of the match. The complaint was made by Citing Commissioner, John Cole (Ireland).
The independent Judicial Officer appointed to hear the complaint is Simon Thomas (Wales), and the hearing will take place on Thursday, 18 October 2012.

Law 10.4 (b) A player must not stamp or trample on an opponent.
Under the IRB Recommended Sanctions for Offences Committed within the Playing Enclosure, Law 10.4 (b) carries the following penalties: Low End: 2 weeks; Mid Range: 5 weeks; Top End: 9+ to 52 weeks.


SISA KOYAMAIBOLE - CITING

ERC has received a Citing Complaint against Bordeaux-Begles forward Sisa Koyamaibole (No 8), following the Amlin Challenge Cup Pool 1, Round 1 match against London Irish at Stade André Moga on Saturday, 13 October 2012.
Koyamaibole is alleged to have committed an act contrary to good sportsmanship in that he bit London Irish replacement Declan Danaher (No 20), during the second half of the match.
The complaint was made by Citing Commissioner, John West (Ireland).
The independent Judicial Officer appointed to hear the complaint is Antony Davies (England) and the hearing will take place on Wednesday, 17 October 2012.

Law 10.4 (m) Acts contrary to good sportsmanship - Biting
Under the IRB Recommended Sanctions for Offences Committed within the Playing Enclosure, Law 10.4 (m) carries the following penalties for Biting: Low End: 12 weeks; Mid Range: 18 weeks; Top End: 24+ to 208 weeks.

NOTES

i) Citing Commissioner
a) Citing Commissioners are appointed by ERC for all Heineken Cup and all televised Amlin Challenge Cup matches and shall be entitled to cite a Player for any act or acts of Foul Play that in the Citing Commissioner's opinion warranted a citing.
b) For such matches Clubs will not have the power to cite a player but may refer incidents to the Citing Commissioner within 24 hours of the conclusion of the match.
c) The Citing Commissioner will have 50 hours from the start of the game to make a citing. In exceptional circumstances this deadline can be extended.
d) The ERC Disciplinary Officer, Roger O'Connor may forward the submitted Citing to a Citing Officer to determine whether there are sufficient grounds for the citing to progress.
e) The Disciplinary Officer will then bring a charge against the cited player.

(ii) Disciplinary Hearing
a) The independent Judicial Officer is chosen by the Chairman of the independent Disciplinary Panel, Professor Lorne Crerar.
b) ERC's Disciplinary Officer, Roger O'Connor, presents the case against the player.
c) Both parties to the hearing (ERC and the player) have the right to appeal decisions of the independent Disciplinary Hearing. Appeals must be lodged within 3 working days of receiving the full written decision of the independent Judicial Officer.
d) The full written decision of the independent Judicial Officer will be available on www.ercrugby.com/disciplinenews when the disciplinary process is complete
e) For IRB recommended sanctions for offences committed within the playing enclosure go to www.irb.com



There are a couple of interesting points, in particular around the Andy Hazell incident. Firstly, the citing commissioner has at the behest of Gloucester reviewed the match in relation to incidents where they feel there players were attacked illegally, and has conlcuded that there is no case to answer for any Mont de Marsan players. Secondly, Gloucester have deferred the hearing for a week. This is presumably linked to the first point and they will be looking to prove that there was serious provocation for Hazell's attack, where the citing commissioner has clearly indicated that he feels there was none. I suspect a long ban will be forthcoming in this one.

I've not seen the Seymour or Hines incidents, so cannot comment on whether or not they are likely to be found guilty at their hearings. I also did not see the Koyamaibole bite, although I was aware that something had been alleged to the referee and he stopped the game and called the captains together. Immediately after Bryn Evans had the entire irish team in a huddle, presumably to ensure there was no retaliation.

Did anyone see the Hines or Seymour incidents who could offer comment on the merits of their citings?

Ha, not a south african in sight.

Biltong wrote:Ha, not a south african in sight.

Bizarre...?

Must have just not got caught..?

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:Ha, not a south african in sight.

Bizarre...?

Must have just not got caught..?

True, I think our training in the clandestine arts of the ruck has been fruitful.

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:Ha, not a south african in sight.

Bizarre...?

Must have just not got caught..?

True, I think our training in the clandestine arts of the ruck has been fruitful.

You'll start wearing black next...?

Maybe its a new wave of teenage mutant ninja boks?

Nah - they have just taken a leaf from Lance Armstrong's book and bribed the citing officer donated to an ERC nominated charity

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:Ha, not a south african in sight.

Bizarre...?

Must have just not got caught..?

True, I think our training in the clandestine arts of the ruck has been fruitful.

You'll start wearing black next...?

Maybe its a new wave of teenage mutant ninja boks?

The teenage mutant ninja turtles are green. We will never allow the blackness to overcome us, unless of course they beat us on the rugby field.

LondonTiger wrote:Nah - they have just taken a leaf from Lance Armstrong's book and bribed the citing officer donated to an ERC nominated charity

We don't have money to bribe, we just threaten, or show you pictures we can blackmail you with.

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:Ha, not a south african in sight.

Bizarre...?

Must have just not got caught..?

True, I think our training in the clandestine arts of the ruck has been fruitful.

Since when have headbutts & flying elbows over the top of the ruck been clandestine Biltong . More like hiding in plain sight, but without the hiding

Ozzy3213 wrote:NATHAN HINES - CITING

ERC has received a Citing Complaint against ASM Clermont Auvergne lock Nathan Hines (No.5), following the Heineken Cup Pool 5, Round 1 match against Scarlets at Stade Marcel Michelin on Saturday, 13 October 2012.
Hines is alleged to have stamped on Scarlets wing, Morgan Stoddart (No 11), during the first half of the match. The complaint was made by Citing Commissioner, John Cole (Ireland).
The independent Judicial Officer appointed to hear the complaint is Simon Thomas (Wales), and the hearing will take place on Thursday, 18 October 2012.

Law 10.4 (b) A player must not stamp or trample on an opponent.
Under the IRB Recommended Sanctions for Offences Committed within the Playing Enclosure, Law 10.4 (b) carries the following penalties: Low End: 2 weeks; Mid Range: 5 weeks; Top End: 9+ to 52 weeks.

Sadly it could have only been in the first half.

The Seymour incident doesn't stick out in my head as being particularly dangerous or even memorable. Usually the crowd get far more worked up than the players but I saw or heard nothing from them! But haven't seen the highlights yet so can't truly comment!

Do people think that unfair play should be cited.

As a munster man I was happy to not see the ref take action against Murray (i think) for the pull down. As far as i understand the citing comission looks and bookable offences so should that have been looked at.

I do however fell the TMO try evened out the decision as control and downward presure come to mind.

As much as I think the ref's should be allowed to reffer thing to the citing panel I hope we never go down the farce of the white card rule we saw in S15

Brendan wrote:Do people think that unfair play should be cited.

I think that would be too much of a bugger to do. AFter all within a game there are usually a good three or four 'unfair' decisisions against both sides, so that would lead to so many citings that there would just not be enough time for it.

Brendan wrote:Do people think that unfair play should be cited.

As a munster man I was happy to not see the ref take action against Murray (i think) for the pull down. As far as i understand the citing comission looks and bookable offences so should that have been looked at.

I do however fell the TMO try evened out the decision as control and downward presure come to mind.

Brendan,

The citing officer will only refer an offence that could have attracted a Red Card if it had been seen at the time!

Sisa Koyamaibole has been banned for 12 weeks for biting!

http://www.ercrugby.com/eng/news/19338.php

Low end entry point as minimal injury caused apparently.

Stoddart has been cleared to play against Leinster - no ban was deemed necessary

It would have been daft to do anything else given his yellow cards were not for foul play!

Common sense from the disciplinary panel.

Yup thank god!

Anyone have any news on Tommy Seymour yet?

www.ercrugby.com/eng/news/19350.php

One week ban for Seymour! Reduced from four due to his clean record

Pat_Mustard wrote:www.ercrugby.com/eng/news/19350.php

One week ban for Seymour! Reduced from four due to his clean record

Shame he wont get to play against his old team!

Hines suspended 6 weeks ...

with the link :
http://www.ercrugby.com/eng/news/19351.php

Does anyone else think the bans are kind of a kick in the teeth for the teams that were offended? Say player A, from team X cheats (and should have been sent off) against you, which may (or may not) have caused a different out come to the game. Then the ERC hand them a ban, which will see them miss games against your rivals in the pool, technically giving the other teams in your pool an easier ride (as team X are missing a first choice player), and then by the time the your side face team X again player A's ban is over.

(ok, not just in the HEC but in general).

All very true, it only works in the back to back games.