Liverpool FC Thread: Numero Deux

by **Crimey** Wed 31 Oct 2012, 11:01 am

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by Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn Mon 22 Apr 2013, 12:33 pm

There is some nonsense being spouted.

The 2 of them spoke last night, with Suarez apologising and Ivanovic accepting it.

It has been dealt with by Suarez receiving a fine that is going to the Hillborough Families charity.

People just can't let go and jump on the witch hunt bandwagon. I've read people on other forums saying "he is role model to millions of kids and they will copy what he did".......sighhhh

I tell ya what, if the day comes when an army of kids run around trying to eat people I'll eat my own foot.

Some people need to get a life, nobodies perfect. He has a stupid temper, but it would be awful to lose him to another league.

by CFCNick Mon 22 Apr 2013, 12:47 pm

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:There is some nonsense being spouted.

The 2 of them spoke last night, with Suarez apologising and Ivanovic accepting it.

It has been dealt with by Suarez receiving a fine that is going to the Hillborough Families charity.

People just can't let go and jump on the witch hunt bandwagon. I've read people on other forums saying "he is role model to millions of kids and they will copy what he did".......sighhhh

I tell ya what, if the day comes when an army of kids run around trying to eat people I'll eat my own foot.

Some people need to get a life, nobodies perfect. He has a stupid temper, but it would be awful to lose him to another league.

Ok. So when I go to work today I'm going to bite a colleague or customer and whilst I'm being sacked I'll say "Oh, sorry, I've got a stupid temper" and the boss will let me off will he? Does that excuse work where you work?

It'd also get you arrested if a copper caught you doing it.

by **Crimey** Mon 22 Apr 2013, 12:51 pm

I imagine your workplace would have something to say if you walked around spitting on the floor, and screaming and swearing when something didn't go your way as well.

by Stella Mon 22 Apr 2013, 12:54 pm

Don't really see the point in comparing a football pitch to life outside one.

by **Crimey** Mon 22 Apr 2013, 12:57 pm

Stella wrote:Don't really see the point in comparing a football pitch to life outside one.

Exactly.

by mystiroakey Mon 22 Apr 2013, 1:01 pm

Well in a way its more like your employee biting the competition..

Not so bad really ??

Biting a fan would be biting a client

Biting a collegue is clearly also bad...

Anyway its still wrong but..........

by CFCNick Mon 22 Apr 2013, 1:05 pm

Crimey wrote:I imagine your workplace would have something to say if you walked around spitting on the floor, and screaming and swearing when something didn't go your way as well.

Well, I work in a car park office with very little supervision and when the door is shut you can say whatever you want, as long as we don't personally offend each other. It is mentally frustrating sometimes, we have to deal with angry and sometimes extremly hostile customers who get parking tickets from the wardens who come from off the street, escort teenagers, drunks and drug users off the premises, and take a lot of flack because some snooty person has never been here before so because they don't want to seem like an idiot asking simple questions they instantly act like this place is stupid and should be different because they can't read a sign. Swearing can be as common as hello, even when the boss is present.

Sorry to turn this into a work rant. I do like my job really.

And, I know comparing real life to football is hard but it's that attitude that makes players think they can do what they want at all times. When I play I get frustrated when things go against me. Sure. But I've never in my life thought of biting someone, or even stamping on someone. The furthest I'd take it is an overly strong shoulder barge/shove whilst battling for the ball with the person who's annoyed me.

by CFCNick Mon 22 Apr 2013, 1:09 pm

Also I'm an ice hockey fan and as violent as that sport can get they were in similar outrage the last time somebody bit a player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxmZWIX0278

by GSC Mon 22 Apr 2013, 1:12 pm

All 12 fans were united in outrage Whistle

by CFCNick Mon 22 Apr 2013, 1:19 pm

Actually if you look at a forum set up in the demise of old 606, 606hl, there are 45 of us. Very Happy

by lorus59 Mon 22 Apr 2013, 1:35 pm

The thing is you we don't know what diseases Suarez has. From the way Suarez acts, if I was Ivanovic, I would get tested for rabies.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Mon 22 Apr 2013, 3:38 pm

I've been pleasantly surprised with the under reaction today. The Scum did try and make it front page news which says a lot about there paper, especially after recent events.

I think he should get a 3 game ban but I can see him being suspended for the reminder of the season.

Far worst things have happened on the pitch but because its Suarez.....you know the drill

by Guest Mon 22 Apr 2013, 4:07 pm

3 game ban????? This isn't a clear straight red incident, it's an assault and he's already been banned by the F.A this season. Suarez is a recurring offender and a disgrace to the game. Consistant cheat and proven racist and should be banned not only for the rest of the season but at least three or four games into next season. He's so stupid and mentally unstable that he can't control his actions and it won't be long before the next incident, but let me guess you'll be there to defend him like he's the victim in all this.

by Guest Mon 22 Apr 2013, 5:18 pm

"Suarez is a poor role model for kids etc etc etc" Agreed! His antics yesterday were inexcusable (and yes I'm an LFC fan) However, week after week we see professional footballers (other role models) swearing spitting, diving, tripping, shirt pulling, baracking officials, time wasting and generally behaving in a manner that I wouldn't want my kids to be influenced by any more than I'd want them to copy Suarez's actions.

However, compare how many times we see these incidents of "unsporting behaviour" repeated year after year with how many times we see players biting one another and ask yourself, "Which set of actions are the kids likely to copy if they turn professional?" I don't see Vampire FC in the Premier League anytime soon.

Yes Suarez deserves whatever punishment is handed down by the FA but let's not make out he's the only player in football whose on-the-pitch actions make us cringe with embarrassment or fill us with outrage.

by Duty281 Mon 22 Apr 2013, 5:25 pm

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:I've been pleasantly surprised with the under reaction today. The Scum did try and make it front page news which says a lot about there paper, especially after recent events.

I think he should get a 3 game ban but I can see him being suspended for the reminder of the season.

Far worst things have happened on the pitch but because its Suarez.....you know the drill

I wrote something about how I was waiting for Liverpool fans to say there was an "agenda", there it is!

by JPX Mon 22 Apr 2013, 9:24 pm

Just another prat on a football pitch showing the youngsters how to behave. My advice to Suarez, keep your head down, there'll be another scandal around the corner then yours will be forgotten and all will be forgiven!!

by **Kenny** Mon 22 Apr 2013, 11:17 pm

My opinion on the incident is that i feel let down as a fan , its not what i want to see from any player .....let alone one playing for my team .

This is just my opinion on things that have been reported .

Ban ------- I think the FA will ban him for the remainder of the season if not longer .

Club discipline --------- The club have fined him and will punish him .

The club have said he still has a future at Liverpool and that they want him to see out his contract ---------- I expected this just simply on the basis if they said they want to get rid of him the transfer fee comes down .

by nasisillmatic Tue 23 Apr 2013, 9:20 am

I can see him getting a lenthly ban, much similar to Bartons 12 games if not more. If that were to happen the club may be forced to sell him.

by dummy_half Tue 23 Apr 2013, 12:43 pm

Given his past record (including a previous 7 game ban for biting and the Evra incident), the FA have to be seen to be tough on him, so probably somewhere in the region of 10 games with a further 10 matches suspended subject to his on-going behaviour.

Yes, maybe it does feel like a bit of a witch hunt, but reputations count, and Suarez has already one of the worst in the game.

Still expect to see him playing for Liverpool next season - he's such an important player for the team that Liverpool cannot afford to let him go.

by **Kenny** Tue 23 Apr 2013, 1:12 pm

I expect him to still be at Anfield next season aswell , but like i have said before if someone from abroad offered 45-50 million for him i would sell him

no player is irreplaceable

by **hampo17** Tue 23 Apr 2013, 1:22 pm

John wrote:3 game ban????? This isn't a clear straight red incident, it's an assault and he's already been banned by the F.A this season. Suarez is a recurring offender and a disgrace to the game. Consistant cheat and proven racist and should be banned not only for the rest of the season but at least three or four games into next season. He's so stupid and mentally unstable that he can't control his actions and it won't be long before the next incident, but let me guess you'll be there to defend him like he's the victim in all this.

I love quotes like this. Does he dive more than any other player in the league? No. All professional players will "cheat" to get their team an advantage and if you honestly don't believe that's true you're kidding yourself. A proven racist? Found guilty by the FA, nobody levels this at Terry even though the CPS took him to court.

Regarding the assault, this wasn't as bad as Cantona kicking a fan or Keane's leg breaking tackle on Haaland yet people are acting as if he hit him with a shovel.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 23 Apr 2013, 1:28 pm

hampo171 wrote:
John wrote:3 game ban????? This isn't a clear straight red incident, it's an assault and he's already been banned by the F.A this season. Suarez is a recurring offender and a disgrace to the game. Consistant cheat and proven racist and should be banned not only for the rest of the season but at least three or four games into next season. He's so stupid and mentally unstable that he can't control his actions and it won't be long before the next incident, but let me guess you'll be there to defend him like he's the victim in all this.

I love quotes like this. Does he dive more than any other player in the league? No. All professional players will "cheat" to get their team an advantage and if you honestly don't believe that's true you're kidding yourself. A proven racist? Found guilty by the FA, nobody levels this at Terry even though the CPS took him to court.

Regarding the assault, this wasn't as bad as Cantona kicking a fan or Keane's leg breaking tackle on Haaland yet people are acting as if he hit him with a shovel.

Not really sure what that's got to do with Suarez.

And I'm fairly sure Terry is called all the names under the sun by opposing fans to do with being found guilty.

Both are proven racists

by **hampo17** Tue 23 Apr 2013, 1:33 pm

Non of the people I discuss football with Olly remember that Terry was taken to court over his "offence" but they all remember that Suarez was charged by the FA. Because of his general behaviour every little thing he does is blown out of proportion by the press and then by the fans.

Honestly I've given up on football.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 23 Apr 2013, 1:38 pm

Not really sure how biting someone has been blown out of proportion.

You wouldn't expect a 6 year old in a nursery to bite another child, let alone a grown man on a football field.

Man's got issues

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 23 Apr 2013, 1:39 pm

And it's not as if Terry has not been villified by the media and public for his past.

Just he isn't getting himself into trouble at the moment.

by **hampo17** Tue 23 Apr 2013, 1:41 pm

Didnt say the biting incident had. But every time something happens the racist card is always used. People saying he should be chucked out of the game etc are the same people who defend him if he played for their team.

by Hulking_up Tue 23 Apr 2013, 2:34 pm

hampo171 wrote:
John wrote:3 game ban????? This isn't a clear straight red incident, it's an assault and he's already been banned by the F.A this season. Suarez is a recurring offender and a disgrace to the game. Consistant cheat and proven racist and should be banned not only for the rest of the season but at least three or four games into next season. He's so stupid and mentally unstable that he can't control his actions and it won't be long before the next incident, but let me guess you'll be there to defend him like he's the victim in all this.

I love quotes like this. Does he dive more than any other player in the league? No. All professional players will "cheat" to get their team an advantage and if you honestly don't believe that's true you're kidding yourself. A proven racist? Found guilty by the FA, nobody levels this at Terry even though the CPS took him to court.

Regarding the assault, this wasn't as bad as Cantona kicking a fan or Keane's leg breaking tackle on Haaland yet people are acting as if he hit him with a shovel.

It wasn't even the worst thing seen on a football pitch in the last week.

by Guest Tue 23 Apr 2013, 3:43 pm

What was the worst thing on a football pitch in the last week that would warrant the kind out media coverage, outrage and disgust that the actions of Suarez has produced?

The fact this is the biggest story of the week suggests otherwise. Liverpool fans, yes, he's important to you and basically carrying you as a team but his behavior and actions are outrageous and he continues to be a complete and utter thug who's actions bring the game into disrepute. He will never change as a human being regardless of anger management courses because we've seen this continued, shocking behaviour since his days at Ajax, throughout his international career and now sadly at a great club like Liverpool.

8 game ban and a suspended further 8 game ban for another offense which the F.A have to intervene in the future would suffice. He also should be removed from the PFA player of the year awards as a matter of urgency because his actions cannot be seen in the public as being rewarded and celebrated.

by Fernando Tue 23 Apr 2013, 3:54 pm

so biting 5-10 games racism 4-8 games leg breaking challenges 0-3 games dont really add up for me fa will always be a joke

by **Crimey** Tue 23 Apr 2013, 3:56 pm

Yeah the FA are in a tricky situation as whatever ban they give will surely be compared to the ban they gave him for racism, which was 8 games, so anything more than that and it could be seen as them saying biting is worse than racism.

by Stella Tue 23 Apr 2013, 4:00 pm

Crimey wrote:Yeah the FA are in a tricky situation as whatever ban they give will surely be compared to the ban they gave him for racism, which was 8 games, so anything more than that and it could be seen as them saying biting is worse than racism.

Can they not give a lengthier ban, due to past wrongs?

by Fernando Tue 23 Apr 2013, 4:11 pm

Stella wrote:
Crimey wrote:Yeah the FA are in a tricky situation as whatever ban they give will surely be compared to the ban they gave him for racism, which was 8 games, so anything more than that and it could be seen as them saying biting is worse than racism.

Can they not give a lengthier ban, due to past wrongs?

no each case is on indivdual merit if did could see a lawsuit heading their way from suarez/liverpool

by Ent Tue 23 Apr 2013, 4:11 pm

hampo171 wrote:
John wrote:3 game ban????? This isn't a clear straight red incident, it's an assault and he's already been banned by the F.A this season. Suarez is a recurring offender and a disgrace to the game. Consistant cheat and proven racist and should be banned not only for the rest of the season but at least three or four games into next season. He's so stupid and mentally unstable that he can't control his actions and it won't be long before the next incident, but let me guess you'll be there to defend him like he's the victim in all this.

I love quotes like this. Does he dive more than any other player in the league? No. All professional players will "cheat" to get their team an advantage and if you honestly don't believe that's true you're kidding yourself. A proven racist? Found guilty by the FA, nobody levels this at Terry even though the CPS took him to court.

Regarding the assault, this wasn't as bad as Cantona kicking a fan or Keane's leg breaking tackle on Haaland yet people are acting as if he hit him with a shovel.

Well it's not going to be as bad as things you've made up.

by Ent Tue 23 Apr 2013, 4:12 pm

Fernando wrote:
Stella wrote:
Crimey wrote:Yeah the FA are in a tricky situation as whatever ban they give will surely be compared to the ban they gave him for racism, which was 8 games, so anything more than that and it could be seen as them saying biting is worse than racism.

Can they not give a lengthier ban, due to past wrongs?

no each case is on indivdual merit if did could see a lawsuit heading their way from suarez/liverpool

Well that's not true.

by Fernando Tue 23 Apr 2013, 4:14 pm

Ent wrote:
Fernando wrote:
Stella wrote:
Crimey wrote:Yeah the FA are in a tricky situation as whatever ban they give will surely be compared to the ban they gave him for racism, which was 8 games, so anything more than that and it could be seen as them saying biting is worse than racism.

Can they not give a lengthier ban, due to past wrongs?

no each case is on indivdual merit if did could see a lawsuit heading their way from suarez/liverpool

Well that's not true.

Nothing he done past is relevant if fa tried it they would end up infront of CAS

by Ent Tue 23 Apr 2013, 5:32 pm

Fernando wrote:
Ent wrote:
Fernando wrote:
Stella wrote:
Crimey wrote:Yeah the FA are in a tricky situation as whatever ban they give will surely be compared to the ban they gave him for racism, which was 8 games, so anything more than that and it could be seen as them saying biting is worse than racism.

Can they not give a lengthier ban, due to past wrongs?

no each case is on indivdual merit if did could see a lawsuit heading their way from suarez/liverpool

Well that's not true.

Nothing he done past is relevant if fa tried it they would end up infront of CAS

No they wouldn't, he's been warned about his future conduct.

What is your premise for believing this?

by GSC Tue 23 Apr 2013, 5:36 pm

You can't really give him more for biting someone based on a past charge of racism.

by Ent Tue 23 Apr 2013, 5:46 pm

GSC wrote:You can't really give him more for biting someone based on a past charge of racism.

Why not?

Persistent rule breaking and being the game into disrepute- easy.

I'm not bias I've already said it should be a 3 game ban in another thread but it is ridiculous to suggest Liverpool will have the fa up in front of the cas if they give a long ban citing previous poor behaviour. Absolutely ridiculous, this isn't a criminal trial it is a disciplinary procedure!

by GSC Tue 23 Apr 2013, 5:56 pm

The two are pretty unrelated

by Guest Tue 23 Apr 2013, 6:24 pm

Anyone think it's time the FA re-evaluated this policy of "The ref dealt with it at the time therefore we can't take an retrospective action" (which incidentally ALWAYS ends up being far more severe that the punishment meted out on the pitch)?

For example, let's look at Aguero's challenge on David Luiz the other week. A deliberate attempt to injure another player using the soles of his studded boots, his bodyweight and momentum. Let's for a minute imagine what would have happened if Luiz's body had been turned another few degrees, he'd have recieved the full weight of Aguero's challenge right in the nadbag. What would the ref do? What would the press make of that particular incident and what would the FA do? Why does the fact that the ref only saw fit to dish out a yellow card mean that Aguero's actions are now no longer punishable? As outrageous as Suarez's bite was, Aguero's tackle was premediatated and designed to injure his opponent far more severely.

by GSC Tue 23 Apr 2013, 6:25 pm

I believe its a FIFA thing the retrospective action rule

by Guest Tue 23 Apr 2013, 6:51 pm

Defoe wasn't brought before the FA for biting Mashcerano as the matter had already been dealt with on the field which suggests that, had he not been given a yellow card but reported afterwards, the FA would have called him in for a chat.

Surely the FA have a similar policy of retrospective action...Suarez and Terry were brought up on postmatch charges of racism. I don't recall the refs doing anything about it at the time.

by **Kenny** Tue 23 Apr 2013, 11:24 pm

this is being reported on the BBC

Liverpool striker Luis Suarez has accepted a charge of violent conduct from the Football Association for biting Chelsea's Branislav Ivanovic and the case will be heard on Wednesday.

However, the Uruguay international does not think he should be banned for longer than three games.

The incident happened during Sunday's 2-2 draw between the sides.

The FA said the match officials had not seen it during the game at Anfield and it had been "retrospectively reviewed".

A statement read: "Suarez has denied the FA's claim that the standard punishment of three matches is clearly insufficient for this offence.

"The incident was not seen by the match officials and has therefore been retrospectively reviewed. An independent regulatory commission will hear the case tomorrow, Wednesday 24 April."

The three-man commission will meet via videolink to study written submissions from the FA and Suarez.

by **Crimey** Wed 24 Apr 2013, 9:45 am

I'm not even sure what it means, I think the accepting of the charge is the only part that matters, the denial of the length of punishment perhaps hints at a possible appeal if they believe the ban is too long.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Wed 24 Apr 2013, 11:56 am

I can remember Shearer kicking Neil Lennon in the face and he got off with it. Ben Thatchers horrendous elbow smash of Mendes only warranted a 6 game ban plus fine and also Defoes bite which only warranted a yellow card with no retropective action Shocked

It will be interesting to see the punishment handed out.

by **Crimey** Wed 24 Apr 2013, 12:02 pm

Carragher wrote an article in the Daily Mail which pointed out that a lot of players have done worse things and been forgiven and not sold, so Suarez shouldn't be vilified for it.

He even pointed out that some of Liverpool's legends had done worse things, like Souness punching another player and breaking his jaw, ironically Souness said that Liverpool should sell Suarez.

Tony Adams was jailed for drink-driving, a much worse offence than a stupid bite, and yet he was forgiven and is now considered one of the best centre backs the Premier League has seen.

by Stella Wed 24 Apr 2013, 12:11 pm

It's because we don't bite. It's looked on as being a little well, weird. Stamping is worse, as is elbowing and deliberate leg breaking tackles.

by **Crimey** Wed 24 Apr 2013, 12:13 pm

Stella wrote:It's because we don't bite. It's looked on as being a little well, weird. Stamping is worse, as is elbowing and deliberate leg breaking tackles,

I agree its very weird, and suggests Suarez does have a lot of issues that needs help with, but I don't think weirdness means he should be getting a lengthier ban. I think 3 is out of the question as the FA have already said it needs more, but anything more than 5 becomes a little excessive I think. Particularly as John Terry only got 4 for his racism, which he very nearly got criminally convicted for.

by Stella Wed 24 Apr 2013, 12:15 pm

I'm talking about the public reaction more than the ban. As for the ban. Can the FA look at past wrongs?

I asked yesterday but nobody seemed to know.

by **Crimey** Wed 24 Apr 2013, 12:18 pm

Stella wrote:I'm talking about the public reaction more than the ban. As for the ban. Can the FA look at past wrongs?

I asked yesterday but nobody seemed to know.

I assume though. I'm pretty sure they take into account Barton's past behaviour when deciding his length of ban.

The issue is that whether Suarez' past behaviour in this country are sufficiently similar to a bite to be taken into account. So far, he hasn't received any bans for violent charges, he received a ban for swearing at the Fulham fans and a racism ban. I'm not sure on whether they can take into account the fact that he was banned for 7 games in Holland for the same thing.

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