LV= Anglo Welsh Cup Round 1

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LV= Anglo Welsh Cup Round 1 - Predictions open, in by 00:01 on Wednesday 14/11/12

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Cardiff Blues v London Wasps

At Cardiff City Stadium, Cardiff, 10 degrees C, 7mph winds and alternating sun and clouds

Cardiff Blues

01. Campese Ma'afu	09. Lloyd Williams
02. Rhys Williams	10. Ceri Sweeney (k)
03. Taufa'ao Filise
04. Bradley Davies	11. Tom James
05. Lou Reed	12. Daffyd Hewitt
06. Robin Copeland	13. Gavin Evans
07. Josh Navini	14.  Harry Robinson
08. Andries Pretorius	15.Dan Fish

16. Andy Kyriacou 17. Sam Hobbs, 18. Thomas Davies, 19.Cory Hill, 20.  Luke Hamilton, 21. Rob Lewis, 22. Jason Tovey, 23. Chris Czekaj


London Wasps

Manager – CF

01. Tim Payne	09. Micky Young
02.  George Chuter	10. Shane Geraghty
03. Matt Stevens
04. George Skivington	11.  Mark Cueto
05. Marco Wentzel	12. Billy Twelvetrees
06. Thierry Dusautoir	13. Jacque Fourie
07. Julien Salvi	14.  Tom Varndell
08.Pedrie Wannenberg	15. Richard Haughton

16. Boris Stankovich  17. Chris Brooker  18. 19.  James Cannon 20. Charlie Davies    21. Jimmy Gopperth 22.  Alex Cheeseman  23. Chris Bell

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Ospreys v Gloucester Rugby

At The Liberty Stadium, Swansea, 7 degrees C, 12mph winds, light rain

Ospreys

01. Duncan Jones	09. Rhys Webb
02. Scott Baldwin	10. Dan Biggar (k)
03. Adam Jones
04. Ian Gough	11.Eli Walker
05. James Goode	12. Ashley Beck
06.  Ryan Jones	13.Andrew Bishops
07. James King	14. Hanno Dirksen
08. George Stowers	15. Richard Fussell

16. Joe Rees 17. Dmitri Arhip, 18. Lloyd Peers, 19.Matthew Dwyer, 20. Kahn Fotuali'i  , 21.  Matthew Morgan, 22. Jonathan Spratt 23. Jonathan Thomas


Gloucester

Manager – prop_lyd

01. Dan Murphy	09. Dan Robson
02. Rory Best	10. Freddie Burns (k)
03. Rupert Harden
04. Tom Savage	11. Ian Clark
05. Will James	12. EFS
06. Pete Buxton	13. Drew Locke
07. Phil Burgess	14. Shane Monahan
08. Luke Narraway (c)	15. Iain Balshaw

16. Koree Britton 17. Nick Wood 18. Adam Jones 19. Elliot Stooke 20. Phil Burgess 21. Dimitri Yachvii 22. Billy Burns 23. JSD

*Pack to get upper hand,
*Fast paced rugby,
*Burns to run as much as possible,
*Backs to be creative,
*Impact bench used on 60,
*We want to win well!!

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Saracens v Leicester Tigers 

At Vicarage Road, Watford, 9 degrees C, 9mph winds, sunny spells alternating with showers

Saracens
Manager – ChequeredJersey

01. Matt Mullan	09. Ben Spencer
02. Rob Buchanan	10.   Charlie Hodgson (c.)
03. Kieran Brookes
04.  Charlie Matthews	11. Sam Smith
05. Ollie Kohn	12.  Anthony Allen
06. Joe Robinson	13.  Joel Tomkins
07. Will Fraser	14. Tom Williams
08. Billy Vunipola	15. Marcus Watson

16. Alisdair Dickinson 17. Harry Allen 18. Carlos Nieto 19. Bakkies Botha 20. Jonathan Poff 21. Luke Baldwin  22. Sam Stanley    23. Chris Wyles


Leicester Tigers
Manager – Sgt_Pooly

01. Alex Corbisiero	09. Karl Dickson
02. Jamie George	10. Danny Cipriani
03. Kyle Sinckler
04. Ed Slater	11. Miles Benjamin
05. Tom Price	12. James O’Connor
06. Maurie Fa'asalavu	13. Matt Smith
07. Luke Wallace	14. Christian Wade
08. Jacque Cronje	15. Geordan Murphy

16. Bismark du Plessis 17. Luke Cowamn-Dickie 18. Ryan Bower 19. Sam Jones 20. Jacob Rowan 21. Liam Holder 22. Matt Tait 23. Charlie Walker

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Northampton Saints v Harlequins

At Franklin Gardens, Northampton, 8 degrees C, 10 mph winds, sunny

Northampton Saints
Manager – SirJohnnyEnglish

01. Steven Kitshoff	09. Martin Roberts
02. Mikey Haywood	10. Ryan Lamb
03. Paul Doran-Jones
04. Mark Sorenson	11. Jamie Elliot
05. Christian Day	12. James Downey
06. Phil Dowson	13. John Clarke
07. Calum Clarke	14. Vasily Artemiev
08. Roger Wilson	15. Greig Tonks

16. Alex Waller 17. Brett Sharman 18. Danny Herriot 19. James Craig 20. Teimana Harrison 21. Ryan Glynn 22. Stephen Myler 23. Scott Armstrong

Harlequins

Manager – Driver

01.Mark Lambert	09.Luke Burguss
02.John Smit (c)	10.Tom Heathcote (k)
03.Chris Budgen
04. Mouritz Botha	11.James Short
05.Alistair Hargreaves	12.Hudson Tonga'uhia
06.Tom Croft	13.Sam Stuart
07.Hienrich Brussouw	14.Ollie Lindsey Hague
08.Alex Grey	15.Jared Payne

16.Nathan Morris 17.Will Collier 18.Darryl Marfo 19. Tom Denton20.Jon Fisher 21.Richard Wrigglesworth 22. Miles Matella 23.Andy Short

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Bath Rugby v Newport Gwent Dragons 

At the Recreation Ground, Bath, 10 mph winds, sunny spells with showers



Bath Rugby
Manager – Bathite

01. N.Catt	09. C.Cook
02. L.Mears	10. O.Barkley
03. K.P-Newport
04. J.Muller	11. K.Eastmond
05. R.Caldwell	12. B.Williams
06. C.Fearns	13. E.Daly
07. G.Mercer	14. T.Biggs
08. S.O'Brien	15. R.Cook

16. A.Perenise 17. R.Batty 18. J.Golding 19. W.Spencer 20. W.Skuse 21. M.McMillan 22. R.Clegg 23. O.Woodburn

Newport-Gwent Dragons

01. Owen Evans	09. Jonathan Evans
02. Steve Jones	10. Lewis Robling (k)
03. Nathan Buck
04. Ian Nimmo	11. Tonderai Chavhanga
05. Robert Sidoli	12. Andy Tuilagi
06. Dan Lydiate (c.)	13. Adam Hughes
07. Jevon Groves	14. Will Harries
08. Tom Brown	15.Tom Prydie

16. Sam Parry 17. Nathan Williams, 18. Dan Way, 19.Adam M Jones, 20.  Nic Cudd, 21. Joe Bedford, 22. Steffan Jones, 23. Daniel Evans

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Worcester Warriors v Scarlets

At Sixways Stadium, Worcester, 9mph wind, light rain

Worcester Warriors

Manager – InTheFastLane

01. George Porter	09. Shaun Perry
02. Ed Shervington	10. Andy Goode
03. Tevita Taumeopeau
04. George Robson	11. David Strettle
05. Graham Kitchener	12. Steven Shingler
06. James Haskell[td][td]13. Matt Hopper
07.  Andy Saull	14. Marcel Garvey
08. Ben Morgan [td][td]15. Luke Rooney

16. Will Radburn 17. James Currie  18. Louis Padian 19. Gerhard Mostert 20. Matt Kvesic 21. Jonny Arr 22. George Ford 23. Jordan  Turner Hall

Scarlets

01. Rhodri Jones	09. Gareth Davies
02. Ken Owens	10.  Aled Thomas (k)
03. Samson Lee
04. Sione Timani	11. Andy Fenby
05. Richard Kelly	12.Jonathan Davies
06.  Aaron Shingler	13. Adam Warren
07. Rob McCusker (c.)	14. Lee Williams
08. Kieran Murphy	15. Morgan Stoddard

16. Jacobie Adriaanse  17. Kirby Myhill, 18. Phil John, 19. Jake Ball, 20.   Richie Pugh, 21. Aled Davies, 22. Jordan Williams, 23. Kristian Phillips

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London Irish v Sale Sharks 

At The Madjeski Stadium, Reading, 5 degrees C, 3 mph winds, cloudy

London Irish

Manager – Pullthestrings

01. Max Lahiff	09. Darren Allinson
02. James Buckland	10. Brock James
03. Leo Halavatau
04. Bryn Evans	11. Marlande Yarde
05. Simon Shaw	12. Shontayne Hape
06. Liam Messam	13. Regan King
07. David Pocock (c)	14. Alesana Tuilagi
08. Tom Guest	15. Tom Homer (k)

16. Rob Herring, 17. Gethin Jenkins 18. Paulică Ion, 19. Kieren Low, 20. David Sisi, 21. Jack Moates, 22. Quade Cooper, 23. Anthony Watson

Sale Sharks

Manager –  LondonIrishOllie

01.Lee Imolek	09.Scott Mathie
02.Mark Jones	10.Johan Goosen
03.Thomas
04.Dean Schofield	11.Will Addison
05.Gaskell	12.Burrell
06.Burger	13.Tuitupou
07.Dave Seymour	14.Charlie Amesbury
08.Andy Powell	15.Nick McLeod

Subs 16.Nathan Charles 17.Davit Kubriashvilli 18.Andrew Sheridan 19.Frazer McKenzie 20.Hendrie Fourie 21.Cillian Willis 22.Tommy Bell 23.Billy Emerson

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London Welsh v Exeter Chiefs

At the Kassam Stadium, Oxford, 8 degrees C, 12 mph winds, cloudy

London Welsh

Manager – Fluxy

01. Rhys Gill	09. Will Chudley
02. Chris Whitehead	10. Gavin Henson
03. Tom Mercey
04. Steve Borthwick (C)	11. Adam Thompstone
05. Tim Swinson	12. Tom Casson
06. Ashley Johson	13. Dominic Waldlouck
07. Ben Nutley	14. Seb Stegman
08. Chris Hala'ufia	15. Ben Ransom

16. Tom French 17. Phil Swainston 18. Tom Lindsay 19. Dean Mumm 20. Nick Easter 21. Paul Hodgson 22. George Lowe 23. Topsy Ojo


Exeter Chiefs
Manager – Luke

01. Brett Sturgess	09. Sam Harrison
02. Neil Clark	10. Ian Humphreys (k)
03. Hoani Tui
04. Tommy Hayes (c)	11. Paul Sackey
05. James Hanks	12. Jason Shoemark
06. James Phillips	13. Josh Tatupu
07. James Scaysbrook	14. Matt Jess
08. Richard Baxter	15. Luke Arscott

16. Ben Moon 17. Simon Alcott 18. John Andress 19. Aly Muldowney 20. Joel Conlon 21. Kevin Barrett 22. Ignacio Mieres 23. Bryan Rennie

Ospreys vs Gloucester- 23-26

Saracens vs Tigers- 25-17

Saints vs Quins-12-17

Bath vs Dragons-25-21

Irish vs Sharks-19-14

Welsh vs Chiefs-16-13

Saracens 19-15 Leicester Tigers

Don’t see an awful lot between the front 5s and neither side will really get on top at the set piece. Tigers have a bit more experience in the back row but great form for Sarries levels it out. Not a lot between the halfbacks. JOC the outstanding player in midfield but don’t see an awful lot between the combos. Again the back 3 are tight. More from Sarries to come on from the bench and see their front 5 having a good go in the last quarter. Sarries at home should win this in the last 10 mintutes.


London Irish 24-21 Sale Sharks

Irish will get the better of the scrum in this one with a meaty front 5. Although Pocock is lacking form Irish have that bit more quality in the back row and see them getting the ascendancy in the pack battle. See nothing between the halfbacks and the back 3 but a better balance to the Irish midfield unit currently. Good impact from both benches. Irish pack to give James the platform he needs to get the win.


London Welsh 17-15 Exeter Chiefs

Nothing between the scrums but see Chiefs struggling against Borthwick at the lineout. Not an awful lot between the back rows and neither side will get an advantage. At halfback Chiefs shade it with Humps in some very good form. But Hensons boot can take advantage of the lineout. Don’t see much between the midfields but Chiefs shade the back 3. More impact for Welsh from the bench. Tough game to call. Home advantage and impact from the bench see Welsh shade it.

Saints 22 - Quins 24
Nothing to separate the front 5s/scrums here, and edge to Quins in the lock pairing. I prefer Quins' back row but with injuries taken into account they are very close too. HBs go to Quins, Centres to Saints and Back 3 just goes to Quins. However, Saints have home advantage, and Quins the bench so I see a narrow win to Quins mostly due to the form of Heathcote and some quick young backs who can take advantage of the sun.


Irish 19 - 15 Sale
Front 3 to London Irish, second row to Sale, just. Back row goes to Irish (which looks fantastic for this level of game), HBs even, CEntres to Irish with a partnership I like though there is nothing wrong with Sale's, back 3 to Irish (good balance of pace and power). Both teams can offer a lot of power off the bench particularly in the pack, but I think on starting 15s Irish take this one especially at home, though Sale's pack and directness will make things hard.

Welsh 18 - 12 Exeter
Edge to Welsh in the scrums, with an excellent replacement front row too. An edge in the second row too, but more even in the back row and the breakdown. I think Welsh will win the set piece though. Henson's form is good so evens in the HBs. Exeter have an excellent back 3, but Welsh win in the centres, where their pairing is young but one that I just think would work pretty well. With home advantage too, I can only see Welsh winning this one.

Cardiff 14-22 Wasps
Ospreys 26-23 Gloucester

Saints 24-26 Quins

Really good game this one. See Saints nudging the scrum but the pack on a whole is pretty even with Quins getting a good advantage on the flanks. Burgess is the key player in the half backs and he'll get joy around the fringes. Saints have a bit more in the centres but Quins will get upper hand in the back 3 and seal a good win.

Bath 34-15 Newport
Worcester 30-20 Scarlets

Irish 29-24 Sale

Another tight game. Irish have a little more in scrum but fancy Sale to dominate lineout. Backrow very much to Irish with Burger lacking form. It's tight in the backs but Sale miss JD as their driving force and Irish will win this one.

Welsh 21-17 Exeter

A little bit more in the Welsh pack will see them get a bit of hold in the forwards. Again not a whole lot in the backlines but Welsh being at home and with Henson getting a little bit of form should have enough to get the win under their belts, good game.

im actually getting people saying im going to win

Cardiff 12 London Wasps 20.

Ospreys 12 Gloucester 15

Better form in Glaws side with Robson/Burns ripping up trees.

Saracens 12 Leicester Tigers 11

Saracens get the nudge up front with Mullen give Sinklair problems but the gap between Corbs and Brookes is bigger so the scrums are not totally one sided. Backs wise Tigers 9/10/12 could cause some serious damage with front foot ball and have a bit more outside to score tries with. Saracens 9/10 has a nice balance to it with Allen and Tomkins solid in D but not most inspiring on attack. Home advantage swings it.

Bath 30 Dragons 12
Worcester 27 Scarlets 12

London Irish 27 Sale Sharks 21

Irish going to power in the front 5 and Gaskell is a weekness at 5 for Sharks. Irish dominating allows Messam and Guest to get Irish on the front foot. Brock James on fire for clermount along with Regan King . More form and dominace up front see a comftable win for the Irish.

London Welsh 20 Exeter Chiefs 17

Welsh do well here with a solid set piece with Borthwick best on show in the lineout , Swinson is in pretty decent nick for Glasgow aswell. Henson has been solid for Welsh in real life and his boot will put them in the right areas. Form of Ihump keeps things close.

Blues 12 - 19 Wasps

Ospreys 19 - 20 Gloucester

Saracens 22 - 20 Tigers

Saints 15 - 16 Quins

Bath 27 - 9 Dragons

Worcester 29 - 15 Scarlets

Welsh 16 - 12 Exeter

20 mins left before predos close

What's the formula to do scores?

I think it's 0.5 extra a win so: 22-20 becomes 22.5-20.

You then add all the prediction scores for the team together and divide It by the number of people predicting so again for example:

22.5-20
19.5-18

Makes a score of: 21-19

Think that's right.

It's an average of scores so added points divided by predictions made. Then 0.5 added one the end for each win.

You add 0.5 after average Prop

Ah right, well I was close-ish!! Lucky I'm not doing the predos!!

Bathite wrote:Saints 14 - 17 Quins
Front row goes to the home side, with the away team lacking fitness to last the full 80, with an ageing trio and nothing convincing on the bench to replace them. Conversely, Sharman and Waller are good back ups, with Sharman in good form for Bath and I've been impressed by Haywood. Second and back rows goes to Quins though. Although Croft and Brossouw are injured, there is no real ball winning option in the Saints back row. I'm not a fan of Dowson either. Half backs go to Quins as well, with Heathcote having a blinder on Saturday, kicking 100% from the tee as well. Some big collisions in the centres, not much between them. Back three probably edged to Quins, but double Lindsay Hague is an error. Just enough for Quins in key positions of 6-10

TBF Double Lindsay Hague was my error because I was trying to correct Driver's error of putting Stuart in twice! I changed it after you posted this

No worries, was only a little note, didn't make any difference. Still preferrered QUins back three and team overall for the win

I'm doing scores right now btw

Scores are in:

Blues- 15 Wasps- 25
Ospreys 23 Gloucester 23
Saracens 22 Tigers 19
Saints 17 Quins 24
Bath 30, Dragons 15
Worcester 31 Scarlets 17
Welsh 22 Exeter 15
Irish - 28 Sale 19

If anyone want to review and check those, please do

Saracens 22 Tigers 19

FIX!!!!

Tables updated

Tasty win for me that!

i actually won!

Didn't expect a draw!! Woo

Apologies for being rubbish at predos of late.

Full: Driver, Pooly, SJE, CJ, Bathite, Flux, Prop

Half: Pull, CF